That's a lot of crazy packed into one post.
The root cause of this is improperly treated mental illness. In question is how to deal with that.
It's not worth anything because it's fake news. Evidently, the ROF is whacked out enough to want to lay claim to the shooter.FWIW the school shooter trained with the white nationalist group the Republic of Florida (ROF).
And you've twisted it to your own devices. The 2A clearly allows for a well regulated state militia. Not for anybody to own weapons of mass casuality like we have now.I sure does which is why Obama never attempted to touch it and I don't want anybody who understands Constitutional law to mess with it either. Once we start monkeying with basic rights where will it stop? This has to be addressed through USC by enacting mental health guidelines that will not be arbitrarily dismissed by idiots like Trump.
You cannot blame it all on mental illness. Easy access to guns allows people, mentally ill or not, to quickly cause large amounts of carnage.The root cause of this is improperly treated mental illness. In question is how to deal with that.
That is not correct as you are forgetting the principle of common law which our Constitution and USC are founded upon.And you've twisted it to your own devices. The 2A clearly allows for a well regulated state militia. Not for anybody to own weapons of mass casuality like we have now.
Then provide text of the parts that you feel support your claim.That is not correct as you are forgetting the principle of common law which our Constitution and USC are founded upon.
And here's the typical Dem version...
1. OOOMMMMMFFFFFGGGGGG, GUNSSSSSS!!!!!!!! MUST CONTROL GUUUUNNNNNSSSS!!!!!!!!! THE NRA IS EEEEVVIIIIILLLLL!!!!!!
2. Identify victims
2.1 If any members of politically approved victims groups injured / killed, play up the tragedy, highlighting as many of the victims as possible, repeat step 1 louder, then proceed to step 3
2.2 If victims are mostly white men and / or Christians, ignore victims, repeat step 1 louder, go to step 4
3. Identify shooter
3.1 If shooter is a straight white male, go to step 4 after repeating step 1 even louder
3.2 If shooter is a member of a politically approved victim group, go to step 5 after repeating step 1 even louder
4. Float the accusation the that shooter is a conservative
4.1 If the accusation turns out to be false, downplay the shooter and still try to imply he's a conservative, repeat step 1
4.2 If the accusation turns out to be true, condemn all white males and conservatives in general, repeat step 2.1, repeat step 1 louder still
5 Downplay the shooter, impugn anyone that attempts to blame him / her/ or whichever of the 57 accepted genders the shooter identifies as, accuse the blamers of racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, homophobia, or other phobia / hatred as applicable, encourage empathy for the shooter, repeat step 1 again
Common law is based upon the accepted general interpretation of a given law or circumstance. Historically the commonly held belief on 2A is that if the Congress wanted gun ownership to be restricted to only standing militia members that it would expressly state this but it doesn't. It specifies that the "right of the people" which explicitly states that the citizens outside of the recognized state militia have the right to keep and bear arms.Then provide text of the parts that you feel support your claim.
And you've twisted it to your own devices. The 2A clearly allows for a well regulated state militia. Not for anybody to own weapons of mass casuality like we have now.
The basic right set forth under the 2A has been twisted in our country. Very few states keep a state militia as intended, and the federal government that the 2A was created to defend against has far surpassed any ability for the states to defend themselves.
you are a disgusting tool. I truly wish endless pain and misery on you.
LOL and filled with so much bullshit it's leaking brown juice... I completely destroy his post by simply being a lefty that own pistols, a bolt action rifle to hunt, and a Mossberg for those stupid enough to come in. There is no reason other than being 'scurd to own an AR. I can defend myself and hunt just fine without all the while still having my 2A rights intact.
These people who claim otherwise are gun nuts. No other way to put it...
Meh..I see my post triggered a little emotional unhinged diatribe about the imagined boogyman,
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Carry on with you next diatribe...
I've owned a couple of ar's in my day buying lowers and customizing them with different stocks and pistol grips but I was running uppers with a 1 in 9 twist so I couldn't handle the heavier 5.56 loads. To be honest I'm not a big fan of direct gas impingement preferring a gas piston setup like the ak but their stock buffer system sucks.You sound like you're a step away from being a shooter yourself. I'm sorry we share different opinions, actually no I'm not. But, I wish you well at any rate.
I've owned a couple of ar's in my day buying lowers and customizing them with different stocks and pistol grips but I was running uppers with a 1 in 9 twist so I couldn't handle the heavier 5.56 loads. To be honest I'm not a big fan of direct gas impingement preferring a gas piston setup like the ak but their stock buffer system sucks.
Even with wolf extra power springs it would still bottom out sending the shock into my shoulder which made me not want to take it to the range and I eventually sold it. When I was younger I enjoyed range time with them but not so much anymore as I'd rather do other things. My hobbies are cyclical so who knows what I will take up next. Couldn't you see me in cooking class with a big fire at the stove?
Do you feel like annoyances and disappointing fantasies would prevent someone from an act like this? I'm nothing more than an armchair psychologist so I'm in no way authoritative here, but I feel like someone committing themselves to an action like this is going to find a way to do it. They will 'put on their shoes' as you put it, rather than simply decide to do something else. Hell, when I was a kid, my peers and I just spray-painted toy guns, or wrapped them in electric tape, to make them 'cooler' (aka what we saw on TV, mostly). The barrier for entry into scary gun territory is pretty low... guns are scary enough as they are.
One more thing. Where in the hell do you guys get the idea that only Republicans own guns? Our constitution applies to everyone equally and while we might disagree on ideologies I will never surrender my right as a citizen to own a gun or speak my mind.
Isn’t ‘if someone really wants to do something they will find a way to do it’ an argument against all laws though?
Well, locks on doors keep people honest, they don't keep people out if they want in. Likewise, laws guide people who generally are inclined to 'follow the herd' to continue doing so. Adding additional laws which serve to hinder law-abiding citizens may not, necessarily, hinder law-breaking citizens. It's already illegal to shoot people, after all.Isn’t ‘if someone really wants to do something they will find a way to do it’ an argument against all laws though?
I never really got into the AR platform to be honest, but it is largely in part very popular for some of the reasons you mention... it is very customizable, and generally speaking quite reliable. But I don't think it is inherently more deadly than any other semi-automatic gun. And that's where there is a big disconnect between me and some on this forum. I don't blame the AR15, if you're familiar with guns you're well aware that there are many non-"assault weapons" style guns that can create the same body count in a given situation. In some cases maybe even more dead.
The root cause of this is improperly treated mental illness. In question is how to deal with that.
My first hunting rifle was a Remington 7400 30-06 which was semi-auto with a 4 round hunting magazine. That rifle with a 30 round clip and a quality 4-12 scope would be far more destructive than any ar I've ever owned.I don't blame the AR15, if you're familiar with guns you're well aware that there are many non-"assault weapons" style guns that can create the same body count in a given situation. In some cases maybe even more dead.
The only time I've shot open sites with any range was in the Army on the qualifying range with a 400m max. Although I qualified expert with all assigned weapons I don't consider myself to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I started using peep sites when I was 10 years old so it was natural for me when I joined the Army. I just had to explain to my drills that they had to let me look through it my way and once they did I hit everything I was trying to.I am a hobbyist, going plinking and target shooting is really fun for me. I know for many shooters using open sites at 100, 200 yards is no big feat. But I'll admit that for me it is a challenge, and I enjoy going to the range a few times a year and wasting half a day doing just that. I used to shoot more, but it isn't as cheap these days and work, parenting, other hobbies do get in the way. But, I'm still a strong supporter of the 2A. I grew up around guns, they were never taboo in my home, just a normal way of life for me.
Well, locks on doors keep people honest, they don't keep people out if they want in. Likewise, laws guide people who generally are inclined to 'follow the herd' to continue doing so. Adding additional laws which serve to hinder law-abiding citizens may not, necessarily, hinder law-breaking citizens. It's already illegal to shoot people, after all.
Now having said all that, it's still very possible/probable that if access to any of the classifications of weapons which permit something like this to happen would actually reduce the the chances of it happening. I would still prefer that we focus on the why rather than the how, though.