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ch33zw1z

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Fortunately, people far smarter than you have ruled that you're wrong. See the Supreme Court case - D.C vs. Heller. It will be a long time before that gets overturned. The gun grabbing, fascist, c0cksucker crowd may want to start proposing some solutions that don't involve stripping millions of law abiding Americans of their constitutional rights. That will be met with immediate and over whelming resistance every single time. We can do better screenings, we can limit magazine size, if federal law enforcement can look at every threat to POTUS, they can start looking at other threats, etc.
Thanks for your input. I placed it in the circular file for review
 

SlowSpyder

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So you go to vacation where you think you need a firearm to defend yourself? Man that's some fucked up thought process.

When you go to disney world and you not allowed to take you gun in what will you do?

Too bad a few teachers weren't armed in the highschool in FL this thread is about. Maybe it wouldn't have changed anything, but I know those poor kids would have had a better chance if someone was able to fire back.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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The voice you get in your head when you own one, obviously.

What surprises me is there is this hyper focus on guns as a way of disarming school shooters and mass murderers. Is there anybody out there that can actually say, "If I owned an AR-15, I probably at one point would have done the same, but thankfully I don't, so I didn't"

How many people out there do we feel are capable, but otherwise unable to commit mass murder? Either because they are not the legal age to buy the weapons, or they can't afford it, or whatever.

Mass shooting deaths aren't that high to begin with and get outsized attention for the same reason deaths via plane crash get outsized attention versus death by the exponentially more common car crash. Gun control to address mass shootings is most definitely a case of "don't let a crisis go to waste."

 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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It sure is and you aren't interpreting it correctly not to mention the fact that we have SCOTUS precedents on the matter.
So your previous statement that the courts need to review it....is what now?

When's the last time we as a country have had an honest review of techonology changes, humanity changes, and what to do about killing machines capable of mowing down masses of people at time. Pretty much always digresses into *shrug* nothing can be done, and politically motivated squabbling.
 

momeNt

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They should check his family home for elevated levels of lead, or his brain chemistry for susceptibility to lead. Probably was environmental with this kid.
 

SlowSpyder

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Mass shooting deaths aren't that high to begin with and get outsized attention for the same reason deaths via plane crash get outsized attention versus death by the exponentially more common car crash. Gun control to address mass shootings is most definitely a case of "don't let a crisis go to waste."



More people are murdered by blunt objects like hammers, clubs, bats than are killed by mass shootings. Of course the anti-2A'ers want to limit the rights of 300,000,000+ (100,000,000 actual gun owners) over the smaller statistical killer, but don't care a bit about the bigger killer.
 

brandonbull

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And you've twisted it to your own devices. The 2A clearly allows for a well regulated state militia. Not for anybody to own weapons of mass casuality like we have now.

The basic right set forth under the 2A has been twisted in our country. Very few states keep a state militia as intended, and the federal government that the 2A was created to defend against has far surpassed any ability for the states to defend themselves.

Wouldn't you want members of militia to own and be able to use "weapons of mass casualty"?
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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So you go to vacation where you think you need a firearm to defend yourself? Man that's some fucked up thought process.

When you go to disney world and you not allowed to take you gun in what will you do?


Wanted to add. You've done absolutely nothing to distinguish national parks from non-national park areas one would carry. Your argument really isn't about carrying in a park, its about carrying. There is nothing unique about carrying in a park vs non-park, other than maybe a higher liklihood of an animal encounter. At any rate, if its legal to carry, there is no reason to limit national parks.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Mass shooting deaths aren't that high to begin with and get outsized attention for the same reason deaths via plane crash get outsized attention versus death by the exponentially more common car crash. Gun control to address mass shootings is most definitely a case of "don't let a crisis go to waste."


Is there some reason you chose 2014 to illustrate your point? It was the second fewest number of deaths of the past 10 years, the lowest having been 2010.

http://time.com/4965022/deadliest-mass-shooting-us-history/

Your overall point remains a fair one. Mass shootings, much like terrorism, get disproportionate attention. Yet we should be looking at a larger data set than one year which you seem to have purposefully chosen to make your point.

In the three years since, 2015: 46, 2016: 71, 2017: 112

Let's hope the disturbing trend is coincidental.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
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You're the one arguing that one would never need a gun in a national park. And you're saying I have an odd thought process. Good show!

You can not use a gun as protection from wildlife in national parks in the lower 48.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
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More people are murdered by blunt objects like hammers, clubs, bats than are killed by mass shootings. Of course the anti-2A'ers want to limit the rights of 300,000,000+ (100,000,000 actual gun owners) over the smaller statistical killer, but don't care a bit about the bigger killer.

You forgot smoking!
 

glenn1

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Funny you mention domestic abuse as a really large percentage of gun murders are exactly things like abusive partners killing their wife/husband. If your goal was actually to keep the maximum number of spouses alive you would be for gun control like I am. It's not though, which is why you're making an emotional appeal here instead of looking at the empirical evidence.

Wait, you mean the law you passed to prevent those who commit domestic violence from owning guns hasn't worked like you said it would? Color me shocked. Obviously what we need is another law. Maybe call it the "Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, and This Time We Really Mean It' Law.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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You can not use a gun as protection from wildlife in national parks in the lower 48.
As a park rule, no. That'll never hold up in court, though. State and Federal-level Self defense laws trump park regulations when it comes to stuff like this.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
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Wanted to add. You've done absolutely nothing to distinguish national parks from non-national park areas one would carry. Your argument really isn't about carrying in a park, its about carrying. There is nothing unique about carrying in a park vs non-park, other than maybe a higher liklihood of an animal encounter. At any rate, if its legal to carry, there is no reason to limit national parks.

You assume much my oddly thought process one.
 
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Mass shooting deaths aren't that high to begin with and get outsized attention for the same reason deaths via plane crash get outsized attention versus death by the exponentially more common car crash. Gun control to address mass shootings is most definitely a case of "don't let a crisis go to waste."

Well. That's absolute BS when you look at the number of mass shootings in 2014. If you use the FBI standard of a single shooting even with 4 or more deaths there were at least 123. That is ignoring the mass shootings where 3 or less were actually killed but had a much higher total victim count.

The only possible way they can arrive at that number is by even more narrowly defining mass shootings to exclude anything that happens in a residence or some other domestic situation. But why don't those deaths count just as much?
 

glenn1

Lifer
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Is there some reason you chose 2014 to illustrate your point? It was the second fewest number of deaths of the past 10 years, the lowest having been 2010.

http://time.com/4965022/deadliest-mass-shooting-us-history/

Your overall point remains a fair one. Mass shootings, much like terrorism, get disproportionate attention. Yet we should be looking at a larger data set than one year which you seem to have purposefully chosen to make your point.

I "picked" that year because it was the graphic I found using a google search, not because of some nefarious reason of wanting to show the lowest possible number. If someone wants to search for it, I'll gladly amend my post to reflect the highest year ever, that won't alter my larger point as you said.

Here's a different graphic if someone finds it helpful; doesn't show the contrast between non-mass shooting homicides and mass shooting ones like the previous graphic did but gives the apple-apple figures.

 

fskimospy

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Wait, you mean the law you passed to prevent those who commit domestic violence from owning guns hasn't worked like you said it would? Color me shocked. Obviously what we need is another law. Maybe call it the "Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, and This Time We Really Mean It' Law.

Uhmm, a really large percentage of domestic abusers are never prosecuted, meaning the law wouldn't apply. Regardless, you said you opposed gun laws because it would assist people in protecting themselves from abusive partners. Now that you know lax gun laws actually INCREASE the likelihood of being killed by your partner have you changed your mind and come over to my side? If not, why?
 
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