Florida High School Shooting

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You are not wrong, but what you are seeing is expression of the fact that people have no way to solve this issue. Or to be more accurate, there is a failure of Leadership from those elected to lead. People are tired of mourning the dead who die for no good reason repeatedly when there are demonstrable ways to prevent those deaths. Government no longer listens to the People.
The people bearing the brunt of this too often are these kids with no real voice on the subject. No one lobbies for them. They can’t vote to protect themselves. They are just left in the shadow while the “adults” talk around them.
 

SlowSpyder

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I disagree somewhat. There are people like Slow (and they are not an insignificant % of the population, and probably make up a significant chunk of GOP primary voters) who are willing to accept anything if it means they can keep their compensation devices nearby at night. So on some level the lack of leadership is a direct result of politicians who depend on voters like slow listening to them.

I'm disgusted and tired of hearing that apparently the only thing exceptional about America is that we can't do anything to fix our problems. American exceptionalism has been transformed by the right wing in this country into an excuse to do nothing.


I don't accept anything. I understand that mass shootings are happening more and wonder why that is and what can be done. But I also realize that overall, year after year fewer people are being killed by guns. The bottom line is there are more guns out there and there are less deaths by firearms than in decades. Mass shootings seem to be headed the opposite way of the overall trend, and I hope we can diagnose that and do something about it.

That being said, I am not for further limiting firearms rights. They have been whittled away over the years, and while I'd consider something that is common sense that doesn't limit our rights further, that is never what the anti-2A proposes. What they propose is feel good nonsense that'll do nothing and has done nothing, but takes away from us lawful gun owners.
 

brycejones

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I don't accept anything. I understand that mass shootings are happening more and wonder why that is and what can be done. But I also realize that overall, year after year fewer people are being killed by guns. The bottom line is there are more guns out there and there are less deaths by firearms than in decades. Mass shootings seem to be headed the opposite way of the overall trend, and I hope we can diagnose that and do something about it.

That being said, I am not for further limiting firearms rights. They have been whittled away over the years, and while I'd consider something that is common sense that doesn't limit our rights further, that is never what the anti-2A proposes. What they propose is feel good nonsense that'll do nothing and has done nothing, but takes away from us lawful gun owners.

So you accept it. Just have the courage to own it coward.
 
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allisolm

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Now they say 15 dead along with the 14 wounded. Just horrible.
 

pauldun170

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It's now a fad for young people to shoot up schools.
Only way to kill the fad is for parents to start shooting up schools.
Like what happpened with facebook.
 

brycejones

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I'm a parent myself and can't imagine how hard that'd be, hitting that close to home has to be scary. I hope common sense can be used to help limit these events. What makes it happen so much more today than it did in the past? High capacity semi-auto firearms have been available for decades. Today fewer people per capita own guns, so they are in less homes. In the past kids were generally not as removed from guns as they are today. Society is progressing. Yet we see more of these things today than we have in the past. Its a tough nut to crack, but I do hope we can find some answers.

GJ, just send some more thoughts and prayers. That will help his kid.
 

Younigue

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I realize that most of the rest of you don't actually care about this event. You just want to vomit out the same crap you post every time a shooting happens. None of which has anything to do with the actual event and none of which solves anything and none of which matters to anyone but you and all of which you could just copy and paste from other threads where you've posted the same things ad infinitum nauseum.

For anyone who is interested the Broward County Sheriff says "So far we have at least 14 victims. Victims have been and continue to be transported to Broward Health Medical Center and Broward Health North hospital. "
I'm still heartbroken. My heart vibrates from the unshed tears I hold in because they are useless. My spirit weeps for the victims, the witnesses, their families, the first responders, the medical personnel who will treat the injured. My mind screams for how helpless the shooter's captive audience felt. And my empathy goes in to hyper drive with the thoughts of what kind of recovery will be involved for any one touched by this tragedy. They are forever changed by this.

... But then I make jokes because that is also how I grieve. I joke because of the absurdity of it all. There are solutions but money, greed, fear, insecurity, insanity, hate, will not allow them.

I would venture to guess that many of the jokers on this thread feel similarly. How many threads can be all about the (probably avoidable) devastation's traumatizing impact? Does it not become platitudes at some point? Much like the "thoughts and prayers" extended by the very lawmakers that could work toward meaningful solutions but do not.
 

SlowSpyder

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Oh yea, just because I know you love it... statistically 14 innocent victims have died from second hand smoke since this thread was posted. What have you guys done about it? What have you demanded from our government, what have you said to your congressman about that? Ok, if none of those, how many threads have you started about this killer? However, when anyone dies from a firearm? Whoooooo boy! Had a double post on this one today!
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Oh yea, just because I know you love it... statistically 14 innocent victims have died from second hand smoke since this thread was posted. What have you guys done about it? What have you demanded from our government, what have you said to your congressman about that? Ok, if none of those, how many threads have you started about this killer? However, when anyone dies from a firearm? Whoooooo boy! Had a double post on this one today!

How many laws have been passed to restrict smoking reducing exposure to 2nd hand smoke in the last 20 years? You're so fucking dishonest with this line it isn't even funny. Its just sad, pathetic, and frankly representative of a sick mind.

I don't want your kids to be involved in a school shooting or you in a mass shooting but if you are I'll be sure to send my thoughts and prayers. Get back to me with how much good they do for you.
 
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sandorski

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I disagree somewhat. There are people like Slow (and they are not an insignificant % of the population, and probably make up a significant chunk of GOP primary voters) who are willing to accept anything if it means they can keep their compensation devices nearby at night. So on some level the lack of leadership is a direct result of politicians who depend on voters like slow listening to them.

I'm disgusted and tired of hearing that apparently the only thing exceptional about America is that we can't do anything to fix our problems. American exceptionalism has been transformed by the right wing in this country into an excuse to do nothing.

Fair enough.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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How many laws have been passed to restrict smoking reducing exposure to 2nd hand smoke in the last 20 years? You're so fucking dishonest with this line it isn't even funny. Its just sad, pathetic, and frankly representative of a sick mind.

I don't want your kids to be involved in a school shooting or you in a mass shooting but if you are I'll be sure to send my thoughts and prayers. Get back to me with how much good they do for you.

A lot of laws were passed to reduce 2nd hand smoke exposure. Now your turn. How many laws have been passed limiting gun rights? I'll help get you started.
 

IronWing

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How many laws have been passed to restrict smoking reducing exposure to 2nd hand smoke in the last 20 years? You're so fucking dishonest with this line it isn't even funny. Its just sad, pathetic, and frankly representative of a sick mind.

I don't want your kids to be involved in a school shooting or you in a mass shooting but if you are I'll be sure to send my thoughts and prayers. Get back to me with how much good they do for you.
I find the ignore function works quite well in times like this. I didn't use it much in the past but lately it's cleared a lot of muck out of threads.
 
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Triloby

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Thoughts and prayers, yada yada yada....

If dead kindergartners (Sandy Hook) weren't enough to give people pause over school shootings, then I highly doubt this shooting is going to make people think twice either.
 

Younigue

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So, does Slow sit around anticipating mass shootings so that he can talk about second hand smoke? I'm thinking it's a chub scenario for him?
 
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