Retainyourfreedom, nice FB right wing group.
We can do some things that may help a little but people need to be honest and just say they want the 2A abolished so they can get busy making the real changes they want.
It is both things. Is THAT what you've been trying to get to all this time? It is both things. Let's help the mentally ill and get the rapid killing guns out of the hands of civilians. That would also help defenseless children, innocent concert goers, trapped theater attendees, fun loving bar occupants. Let's also help the mentally ill.Why are the only options guns removal or wishing? Why can we restrict guns and deal with the fact that the US has a society problem?
So, you think that's what Mr. Pappalardo is planning to do?new barrel and gas tube
10-15 minutes, and its good to go
or new upper, shipped right to your home, 30 seconds to attach
if you want to destroy the rifle, you need to destroy the receiver
it would actually shoot fine as it, it wouldnt cycle and would be a single shot
So, you think that's what Mr. Pappalardo is planning to do?
Deliberately obtuse often? We can ban the importation, manufacture & retail sale of such magazines.
It is both things. Is THAT what you've been trying to get to all this time? It is both things. Let's help the mentally ill and get the rapid killing guns out of the hands of civilians. That would also help defenseless children, innocent concert goers, trapped theater attendees, fun loving bar occupants. Let's also help the mentally ill.
Will you stop now with your... well, whatever it is you're trying to accomplish with your on and on-ness
He’s received over $3 million from the NRA, nothing he will propose will go against their concerns..I have to give Little Marco credit. I just heard a news quote from him that said things have changed and it’s now time to think about actions that were not possible in the past (or something similar, not a direct quote)
No blaming Obama
No saying there isn’t a problem
No dodging responsibilities
I may not agree with Marco on many things but I have to give credit when it’s due.
He’s received over $3 million from the NRA, nothing he will propose will go against their concerns..
I'll tell you what:
I will give up my guns the same day our police do.
OK?
None of those countries has even close to the per capita gun ownership of the US. The highest, Norway, has fewer than one-third.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
I'll tell you what:
I will give up my guns the same day our police do.
OK?
Never mind. re-ead what I had written... Instead I'll sum it up with, you're a fu*king prick. Now THAT, that needed to be said.i have no clue on his plans
just stating the rifle was not destroyed and easily repaired
already mentioned the felony
What "society problem" are you referring to and how to we "deal" with it?
No, there's no need for them.Can we get them back if we are good though? Maybe like a sunset provision if crime goes down X percent we can have them back, then monitor the levels of violence and see if it was society that stopped killing people are guns stopped killing people.
Good thing I was not saying they have the same rates the right? Why did you post that then?
It is both things. Is THAT what you've been trying to get to all this time? It is both things. Let's help the mentally ill and get the rapid killing guns out of the hands of civilians. That would also help defenseless children, innocent concert goers, trapped theater attendees, fun loving bar occupants. Let's also help the mentally ill.
Will you stop now with your... well, whatever it is you're trying to accomplish with your on and on-ness
Simple, look at other countries that have less guns and few mass shootings, what are the differences. Better healthcare? Non starter here because reasons.
The fact that the US has a much higher murder rate when compared to other developed countries. Excluding gun violence, we see very high rates of murder per capita and that does not come from just guns. Include gun violence and its amazing the difference.
Dealing with it is amazingly complex. I can only speculate as to what to do, but it is clear that we have issues beyond gun violence. Gun violence is an issue that should be addressed, but if anyone thinks that guns are the only issue, then they are wrong. Now, some of the things to be done would be as I have said before is to get a national mental health system in place. We have seen rates of gun ownership per household go down, yet mass shootings go up. When you look at what these mass shooters have in common you can start to see some of the issues. Mental heath is one, but its more than that. We see males vastly overrepresented.
Do not misunderstand, I am not saying do nothing about guns. Lets very much restrict them in more ways we are now. I'm just saying that guns are not the only issue here, and the other issues are also quite large.
Because you're pretending that statistical outliers disprove a relationship between gun ownership and gun violence, and your outliers aren't very good examples because none of them are even close to US gun ownership. I thought since you mentioned those four countries that the actual ownership statistics should be in the thread.
No, there's no need for them.
This has been over multiple posts, but you are not keeping up so I will explain.
The argument I have been making is that guns are not the only factor in this. Guns are a force multiplier, but there is also an underlying issue of violence in the society that then uses guns. Restrict guns so you get less deaths, as well as trying to go after the underlying issue. The underlying issue being that our society seems to have a violence problem beyond guns being around. I then brought up other countries that also have guns and showed that even the ones that have higher rates compared to surrounding countries still do not even come close to the rates that the US has in terms of gun violence. My goal was to exemplify that guns are not the only issue, but that culture needs to be looked at as well. Even when you adjust the stats to the rates of the other countries, you still see they are far less violent. It was not an attempt to say guns are harmless and I have literally said we should restrict them as they exacerbate the violence we have here.
Clearly we have a problems, or perhaps problemS, other than easy availability of guns. I'm just not so sure you've identified it. From what I've read, we have somewhat more depression here than in Europe, but the difference isn't dramatic.
Is the fact that we have so much violence in our popular culture a cause or an effect here? We seem obsessed with violence as a culture. I don't believe in censorship, so not much we can do there. However, I think there must be a historical/cultural reason that we tend to obsess over and glorify violence.
Agreed.
I've already said. Get rid of guns that can kill so many people so quickly. AND let's help out them mentally ill folks.So what is your takeaway from this, and how would you respond?
To me he is under the impression that guns are the problem, and the solution is to just remove guns. So, I respond with my opinion that guns while being the problem are not the only problem and that mental health with other things should also be looked at and addressed. I say that because I think there is still a lot to gain in addressing those things. So I respond with that comment. People then respond to me.
Then you jump in saying that "yeah duh its more than just guns, stop responding to people". So, I now ask you, why are you asking me to stop responding? Are you so delicate that seeing that I have made posts is some sort of an issue for you? Do you feel protective over me and need me to stop for your own personal reasons? Please do tell me.
I don't expect a lot of support from a forum full of men.You need to learn how to pander if you are going to get support. You've lost mine. There isn't a need for a lot of things yet we still do it.