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SlowSpyder

Lifer
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No matter how the anti-2A'ers slice it, at the end of the day guns cause significantly less harm, a lower body count, than other liberties that do less good for society. When looking at our rights vs. risk, it is a very difficult sell saying we need more gun restrictions. Anti-2A'ers simply lose the logic test here.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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Do you think people would quietly and passively just accept it if we restricted other constitutional rights? Say if we repealed the 1A then outlawed Islam, how would that go over? Or repealed the 13th and 14th and formalized the exploitative relationship employers have with illegal aliens and just declare them slaves?
Why would that happen?

I can point to why there are reasons to consider repealing 2A. Give me the reasons for the others you cite, otherwise, your false equivalence is showing again. I assume it's all the emotions you have getting in the way of a clear discussion.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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No matter how the anti-2A'ers slice it, at the end of the day guns cause significantly less harm, a lower body count, than other liberties that do less good for society. When looking at our rights vs. risk, it is a very difficult sell saying we need more gun restrictions. Anti-2A'ers simply lose the logic test here.
False choice. We don't have to address only one thing. We can address all the things. In this thread, we're addressing 2A.

Maybe you need a software upgrade to handle such complexity.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Guns are not used in crimes more often than not. There are 100,000,000 gun owners with 300,000,000 guns. I highly doubt a majority of those guns will be used in a crime today, this year, this decade. There are millions of people carrying their gun every day that are not using them for a crime, but are using them exactly 100% to their lawful objective.
Where are you getting these numbers?
 

Younigue

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Do you think people would quietly and passively just accept it if we restricted other constitutional rights? Say if we repealed the 1A then outlawed Islam, how would that go over? Or repealed the 13th and 14th and formalized the exploitative relationship employers have with illegal aliens and just declare them slaves?
See how fu*king ugly you are? Everything you support stems from you being a shitty person. Everything you're against stems from you being a shitty person.

No interest in coming from a place a decency hey?
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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False choice. We don't have to address only one thing. We can address all the things. In this thread, we're addressing 2A.

Maybe you need a software upgrade to handle such complexity.


Then you're holding guns to a standard you hold no other right or liberty too, despite them causing far less harm to society. You are using your personal preferences of what you like / dislike, not a fair measuring stick.
 

Younigue

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If most of overly left anti-2A AT P&N (generally speaking) is laughing at me in regards to my comments on guns, then I'm very likely saying things that are good for America. Good cheerleading attempt, though.
No, you're a cancer to America.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Also, since this thread started with yet another tragic mass shooting, let's disarm dems in general. If you look at the profiles of the mass shootings over the last 10-odd years, pretty much the only stand-out non lib was that racist bastard Dylann Roof.

Your attempts to minimize and invalidate the history of right wing terrorism in this country is duly noted. Please educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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Then you're holding guns to a standard you hold no other right or liberty too, despite them causing far less harm to society. You are using your personal preferences of what you like / dislike, not a fair measuring stick.
Your translation program is failing. Get that upgrade.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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Where are you getting these numbers?


What's funny is that in the very recent past when someone would go to Google and type in, "how many gun owners in America" it'd give you a big 100,000,000. Now they push all that down and moved to the top more anti-gun owner articles. Funny.

Anyway, here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ricans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

37% of 330,000,000 = 120,000,000+ gun owners.

I think that 100,000,000+ gun owners and ~300,000,000 guns are quite commonly accepted numbers.
 
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mdram

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most gun owners are open to discussion, and even some more restrictions

the problem is no matter what we suggest, all we get it

"its not enough! ban them all!"

once ant's are open to a logical discussion, we can continue
 

realibrad

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Yes, you would have my position correct. I also contend that we can preserve the the right of the people to keep and bear Arms while still restricting what arms are allowed and maintaining sensible regulations on when those arms are allowed to be beared. In fact we already all agree to that. No one thinks that it is the right of a citizen to own an atomic weapon, or open carry on an airline or in a courtroom, so we are just talking about the specifics here.

Agreed. Good to see I can apparently understand people as that is being called into question.

I think some hold this idea that if its in the constitution its special. To me, its the best attempt that we have made to set things up, but it can be wrong and should not be looked at as something other than reasoned ideas.
 

Younigue

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most gun owners are open to discussion, and even some more restrictions

the problem is no matter what we suggest, all we get it

"its not enough! ban them all!"

once ant's are open to a logical discussion, we can continue
Bullshit. I rarely see anyone taking about getting rid of all guns. That's a lie gun nuts and the NRA tell.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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You're being met with only what is equal to what you bring.


Right, look at your posts, Younigue's posts, and my posts. You're both full of insults and passive aggressive comments that have no substance. I'm at least talking real numbers and explaining my pov. Anyway, carry on. Your piddly childish comments are the equivalent of thoughts and prayers.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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What's funny is that in the very recent past when someone would go to Google and type in, "how many gun owners in America" it'd give you a big 100,000,000. Now they push all that down and moved to the top more anti-gun owner articles. Funny.

Anyway, here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ricans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

37% of 330,000,000 = 120,000,000+ gun owners.

I think that 100,000,000+ gun owners and ~300,000,000 guns are quite commonly accepted numbers.
Just to get you to understand, how many out of the 330,000,000 in the country are adults?
Then realize that out of that number you get 37% own guns, it’s not 100,000,000. It’s 37% of households, not population. How many in a household? It varies. Then 3% own 50% of the guns, that shrinks the number even more. Understand?
 
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