Florida High School Shooting

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thilanliyan

Lifer
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Yes, they're the favorite guns of mass murderers and men overcompensating for being hung like an amoeba. No sane, stable person has a need or desire for one, but they're 100% legal. America, fuck yeah!!
That's f**ked. That should not be a legal firearm for the general public. Unless deer have learned to use AKs, there's no reason to own that.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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There is nothing to discuss as there is exactly one option available. No amount of control, testing, licensing, restricting, or otherwise limiting guns will solve the problem. The one and only solution is to eliminate all firearms in the US. This would quite literally be a war on guns, and it would most likely work about as well as the war on drugs.

American exceptionalism again, it would be hard so do nothing.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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There is nothing to discuss as there is exactly one option available. No amount of control, testing, licensing, restricting, or otherwise limiting guns will solve the problem. The one and only solution is to eliminate all firearms in the US. This would quite literally be a war on guns, and it would most likely work about as well as the war on drugs.

You're an absolute fucking moron. A disingenuous hater that sees every tragedy as a way to reinforce your twisted views and inflate your absolutely diseased ego. Get some help, learn to think, try understanding a problem rather than assigning blame. You're everything you claim to hate, because all you have is hate and the burning desire to prove your better than others.


See? Like I said, ppl don't care. These kids are just roadkill on the highway of freedom.

You are embracing your ambivalent heartlessness.
You don't care. It's just fake tears. Don't change anything.

I have two guns. I'll have them melted down if it stops all these shootings. Worked for Australia.

Will you? Who is the heartless one?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I posted this four months ago for the Texas church, it applies to all these shootings. There are answers for stopping it, but people have to be willing to follow through and act and that is where we fail.

I think the second amendment should be honored with bolt action rifles. Large and bulky items that cannot easily be concealed and have limited capacity to slaughter a crowd of people. A man trying to gun down a church with one is more likely to miss his one shot and get mauled by the men nearest to him. It's possible a person dies from that shot, but far better than losing the entire room.

So I say... to everyone and their dog have your guns, but we're keeping their function as close to the writing of the second amendment as possible. The modern day bolt action will suffice. Some restrictions re violent offenders and the mentally ill would still apply.

If a person wants a REAL weapon (handgun or assault rifle), they'll need to be a member of the military, law enforcement, or other profession fully trained in safety and combat. Then we'd still have restrictions for crime, mental health, etc. Probably require reasons for ownership as well, and not just hunting, collection, or 2A.

Based on my views, all the check boxes should be marked, but you'd really need to hear me out to understand why.
 
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Younigue

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Please, let me, by all means. No need to besmirch you're character, I'm already a foul-mouthed blowhard
Just in case her message got lost in translation,
You're a fucking idiot @brandonbull
LOL, thank you. He may have me on ignore.

I am foul mouthed as well. Though strangely not in front of children even though I'm not opposed to it. My husband on the other hand rarely swears but as soon as a child is in the vicinity he starts swearing like a sailor. It's strange. I have a girlfriend who is the same way.

Any way, I've said it before, I enjoy swearing.
 
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LOL, thank you. He may have me on ignore.

I am foul mouthed as well. Though strangely not in front of children even though I'm not opposed to it. My husband on the other hand rarely swears but as soon as a child is in the vicinity he starts swearing like a sailor. It's strange. I have a girlfriend who is the same way.

Any way, I've said it before, I enjoy swearing.
we are some odd critters scattered all around this spinning rock.
 
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sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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There is nothing to discuss as there is exactly one option available. No amount of control, testing, licensing, restricting, or otherwise limiting guns will solve the problem. The one and only solution is to eliminate all firearms in the US. This would quite literally be a war on guns, and it would most likely work about as well as the war on drugs.

Not true.
A lot can be done.
Banning these weapons would solve a lot of this.
When some guy wants revenge or feels as the outcast, I bet he would think twice before entering a school with a simple 6 shooter hand gun or his dads shot gun vs a full multi-shot assault weapon used in war.
One can never "stop" killings but... we can greatly reduce the carnage and I would bet greatly reduce this from happening. It is certainly worth a try.

If some kid has a problem with a classmate, teacher, principal, no doubt it could happen where that kid would bring a hand gun into school and shoot that one person. Kill him or her.
But to mow down 17+ kids in one swoop of an assault weapon?
Yes, there IS a difference.
And this is a very simple fix.

Ban these weapons and make owning one or possessing one 100% illegal.
Remove any of these assault weapons that currently exist through a buy-back system.
Then.... and if necessary, those that weapons that are registered instruct law enforcement to confiscate going door to door.
Heck! They'd do the same if one were discovered making bombs and nukes in their basement.
Or meth.
Remove the guns, ban the guns, outlaw the guns, and the NRA can just suck it up.

Tonight there are a lot of parents and families totally destroyed from todays assault.
And if you do the math, 17 killed times two parents = 34 American citizens that I bet will no longer support allowing these weapons to exist. A crass statement but all too true.
If we had 17 legislators gunned down in congress, they would take action tonight in special session.
That action limited to further banning guns in the area of Washington and congress. Increase security checks. More and harsh laws that would only apply to protecting congress, and protecting no one else.
Congress would pass laws tonight, immediately, but laws that stop at their door before exiting into society.
They know exactly what is wrong and what exactly needs to be done.
They all know, those congressional members as well as this president.
And they would take action, tonight, but if and only if one of their own had been gunned down on the floor of congress. And Donald Trump would support their action. Gladly sign on the dotted line.
However, such action stops at their congressional door.

What we can do:
Refuse to vote for anyone that believes owning an assault weapon is just fine or some twisted American right.
Kick out anyone in congress that currently believes assault weapons are ok AND anyone insane enough to believe owning such a weapon of mass destruction A PROTECTED PERSONAL RIGHT.
Vote in more women. It seems women are more logical when it comes to protecting kids and supporting gun laws.

So Rick Scott is now up there on screen whining about keeping kids safer and keeping this from happening again. But he stops at enacting laws and supporting common sense gun control.
Rick is a fool.
Rick Scott might as well have the shooter at his side exchanging winks, smiles, and promising not to take his guns away.
What a sick society we live in.
And we need to stop electing these sick people like Rick Scott into office.
Prayers alone just isn't going to do it. We need people to vote then demand change.
Or else, vote those a-holes out too then start the process all over again.
As often as it takes.
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Announcement!!!!
https://www.apnews.com/a075d7b45ee9403b97579a8c7afd844a

Florida Governor Rick Scott has declared that this act "is just absolutely pure evil."
Therefore nothing needs to be done because this act is supernatural with its origin is based in myth and legends.
You cannot stop "myths and legends" people.
Nor can you fathom the complexity of the supernatural.
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Just how many mass shootings since Trump became POTUS?


Trump hasn't issued his "thank you first responders statement" because his records indicate that the Sherrif, Scott Israel, never mailed in his loyalty pledge, is Jewish and is a democrat.
He's currently pulling the records of officers in the area to if they meet his criteria. He's also waiting to see if he can pull the illegal immigrant or "must been an Islamic guy" card.
Once that happens, he will issue his thank you to the first responders followed by his prayer and thought.
Foxnews predicts that school shootings will then end with the disclaimer "What if teachers were armed? Could this tragedy have been averted?"
 
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IJTSSG

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Can people really buy this legally in the US?
No one can claim that thing is for animal hunting.
It's really scary looking isn't it. Makes a loud noise when you shoot it too. It also has the ability to control peoples minds and make them do bad things.
 
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Just how many mass shootings since Trump became POTUS?
Does it matter? They are literally a daily occurrence. We now onlycare about ones with really big numbers of victims. Double digits. This is the 18th school shooting this year. There were 427 mass shootings last year using the FBI definition. 590 killed, 1981 injured. In 2016 it was 477. That’s just shooting incidents with 4 or more victims.

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2017

Edit: going to correct myself. The fbi considers 3or more dead. The site linked considers 4or more shooting victims in a single event.
 
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evident

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Apr 5, 2005
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Agreed. We've already had the discussion and have put limits in place. Violent crime is trending down, mass shootings may be up, but the overall trend is that less people die from firearms every year ( and yet more and more guns are "out there"). These are things that closely parallel tobacco statistics, only guns owned is going up while less people smoke. When tobacco is brought up here I've been told that the discussion has already been had and limits are in place, use and death is declining.
Sorry you totally couldn't tell i was being sarcastic. Thoughts and prayers too.

Our country is fucked, enjoy your guns
 
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So it's like a TV set?
I think so. Except it makes it way easier to kill people than anything else. Maybe that’s the point they were going for? Of course it depends on what’s on the tv. You show, say, Tron: Legacy and the death toll might rise.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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Just how many mass shootings since Trump became POTUS?
nah, as much as I would love to blame even my dog farts on drumpf, I cannot pin this on him. This has been an ongoing and ever increasing epidemic across the country and is only gaining momentum
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Doors that are locked on the outside but can be opened from the inside with TSA like security to get to the door maybe? Throw in a long winding path to the screening area so you can't just run straight to it kind of like military bases do for vehicles? It would take extreme measures to stop both students and non-students who are determined to get in, and I'd define anyone who is willing to kill a bunch of innocent people as determined.

I sure hope we can do something about it but like you damned if I know what that is.
The school I went to, albeit large, had something like 15-20 separate entrances to different buildings, and there wasn't really a reasonable location for a military-style entrance gate, unless you started eminent domaining local residences. It would be simply impossible to 'secure' that campus from a dedicated intruder outside of creating a prison-style DMZ, which no reasonable local school district could possibly afford.

And that still wouldn't stop people from taking pot-shots through fences.
 
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