Sounds like we should be celebrating that there wasn't another mass killing via passenger vehicle. Nothing like being the douchnozzle that uses 1 year old kids to promote his views. Awesome human being.
Hey guys, we should be celebrating the fact that there was only ONE school shooting yesterday, and that toddlers in a day care weren't part of the bodycount!
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/i...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Rifle-wielding father tries to storm Alabama daycare; worker hailed as hero for blocking entry
The ordeal began about 2 p.m. at the small daycare on Dewey Drive off of Friendship Road near Oxford. Wade said they received a 911 call from the daycare reporting a man with a gun. Sheriff's deputies, Oxford police and even a game warden who was nearby and heard the police radio call, flocked to the scene.
When they arrived, Turner was already gone. The daycare worker told lawmen the man went to the daycare demanding his 1-year-old daughter.
The worker, whose name hasn't been released, refused to let him inside. While she blocked his way, she also instructed other workers to usher all of the children into a room to keep them safe should he make entry.
Turner then threatened to drive his truck through into the daycare, Wade said. He went to his truck and retrieved a rifle. "He threatened to kill everyone in the building,'' he said.
- Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles. - no. The NFA already bans the weapons that should be banned/controlled. No registration of firearms.
- No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.* - Define large
- One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun. - no
- Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.* - limit it to what?
- Buy back programs for them, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun without title unless you have a special permit (rare.) - buy back OK, no registration
- No gun show sales - no
- Private sales illegal without transfer of gun title. - no
- No silencers - why not. They're already heavily regulated.
- No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate. - OK
- No open carry on our streets at all period. - I don't open carry and I think anyone who does is an idiot so I don't care.
- No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason. BS. If you can get through the rest of the checks you should be able to CC. All states should be "shall issue".
- No immediate gun purchases. - OK. 3 days.
- Complete background check. OK.
- 10 day waiting list. - too long
- Impeach Trump - you're a fucking idiot.
- I don't care if your Annie Oakley before you purchase a gun you first have to take a firearm safety class. - OK
Now we're talking about background checks, primarily mental health based, which we have a common ground to stand on. I would fully endorse full mental health screening of all young adults, even beyond simply to buy firearms. I think we need a solid handle on the mental health status of the US citizenry, regardless of age really. It should be akin to a yearly dental exam, except actually followed by people.
Technically there are federal restrictions already on selling guns to those with mental issues, the diagnosis/reporting methods (as well as potentially enforcement) are the parts lacking.That's basically what I've always been saying I just got caught up calling out the constant deflection. Gun restriction doesn't mean any one specific thing, I think there needs to be some and one of those is background checks. I also think we need federal regulation to go above state laws. What good is the law if you can drive 100 miles to get around it? Regulation isn't any one specific aspect IMO. It can't ever be talked about though it seems.
Primarily because of infant mortality rates, not due to people living shorter lives.
I think background checks are very ineffective. You can just buy a weapon second hand, borrow it, or steal it. It just makes it harder for honest people to purchase a firearm. Criminals have no problems getting guns.
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but the murderer is a white supremacist and an enthusiastic Trump supporter. Color me shocked.
Guess we know who radicalized this terrorist.
Probably, yes, and I think schools, social services, even parents/family members should be a bit more on the hook for monitoring/reporting mental health of minors. 'It takes a village' mindset, I guess.So should background checks include school records, social services records (for minors) including disciplinary records? I think that would make sense. But how do we standardize that across states and school districts? How do we ensure that data is secured and isn't misused? Who would be responsible for maintaining the data? More importantly, who gets to decide the criteria for passing or failing a background check? Would there be a statute of limitations on doing stupid shit in grade school that would keep you ineligible from buying a gun as an adult?
Hey, gotta employ all the poor bastards losing their jobs to automation, might as well make them all social workers assigned to schools. Let's get some of that tax break money back and put it to actual use.Who would be responsible for screening every child? School counselors? Kind of ridiculous when you think of the ratios of students:counselor. What if you're private schooled or home schooled?
Might make more sense if it was part of the annual check-up covered by medical insurance, but mental health resources at primary care providers are still short (especially in rural America.)
So should background checks include school records, social services records (for minors) including disciplinary records? I think that would make sense. But how do we standardize that across states and school districts? How do we ensure that data is secured and isn't misused? Who would be responsible for maintaining the data? More importantly, who gets to decide the criteria for passing or failing a background check? Would there be a statute of limitations on doing stupid shit in grade school that would keep you ineligible from buying a gun as an adult?
- Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles. - no. The NFA already bans the weapons that should be banned/controlled. No registration of firearms.(Registration is a requirement to eventually getting a handle on who has the guns and where the guns are. I know this scares the shit out of nutters who are just waiting for the UN gun confiscation unit to take their weapons so they can be relocated to a FEMA camp.)
- No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.* - Define large (anything over 5)
- One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun. - no (see point one, I would allow a up 2 shot guns in addition to the hunting rifles)
- Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.* - limit it to what? (No limit for use at ranges, 50 rds per mo outside the range)
- Buy back programs for them, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun without title unless you have a special permit (rare.) - buy back OK, no registration (See point 1)
- No gun show sales - no (Yes)
- Private sales illegal without transfer of gun title. - no (Yes)
- No silencers - why not. They're already heavily regulated. (sure you can have one, it comes with a title)
- No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate. - OK
- No open carry on our streets at all period. - I don't open carry and I think anyone who does is an idiot so I don't care. (OK)
- No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason. BS. If you can get through the rest of the checks you should be able to CC. All states should be "shall issue". (Ok, you can CC with an installed trigger lock, states can decide if they will issue or not)
- No immediate gun purchases. - OK. 3 days.
- Complete background check. OK.
- 10 day waiting list. - too long (why)
- Impeach Trump - you're a fucking idiot. (You aren't tired of the winning?)
- I don't care if your Annie Oakley before you purchase a gun you first have to take a firearm safety class. - OK
That's basically what I've always been saying I just got caught up calling out the constant deflection. Gun restriction doesn't mean any one specific thing, I think there needs to be some and one of those is background checks. I also think we need federal regulation to go above state laws. What good is the law if you can drive 100 miles to get around it? Regulation isn't any one specific aspect IMO. It can't ever be talked about though it seems.
Sounds like we should be celebrating that there wasn't another mass killing via passenger vehicle. Nothing like being the douchnozzle that uses 1 year old kids to promote his views. Awesome human being.
I thought there were pictures of him wearing Antifa shirts. If we are going the political route.
That depends entirely on the law. I grew up in a dry county, next county over had a half dozen liquor stores on the county line, they made a lot of business.you cant get around a law by driving out of state
The next logical step would have been to ban him from legally purchasing a gun or separate him from any guns he already owned. You people would have screamed holy hell. You always blame mental health but are unwilling to take that final step. Absent that it will happen again.Very sad, I can't imagine going through that with any of my kids. Even more sad is that it appears to have all the signs that it could have been avoided. Teachers, students thought this would happen? Youtuber reported him to the FBI before over a comment he made about being a school shooter? I'd like to know what was done if anything with all of that. Terrible when anything like this happens, even more so when it appears it had the possibility to be avoided. As a father, there are many terrible things I would like to see happen to the shooter. Yet that is not how the law works and wouldn't be right doing them.
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Because restricting ownership of objects based on need is a pretty shitty way to govern a populace, and it's a shitty place to live in for the people. I'm not going to delve into the potential abuses of such a notion, just suffice to say there's a lot of people that take issue with someone else telling them what they can/cannot do, as most free thinking individuals should.Other than "because it is my right" I have yet to really hear a true reason why one would "need" an assault rifle for personal use.
Well I take that back - I did hear people on the radio earlier saying that it is also because they have them in case they have to protect themself from the government, so basically a gun nutter.
Well can you go buy a grenade from the grenade store? An RPG from the RPG store? A tank from the tank store?Because restricting ownership of objects based on need is a pretty shitty way to govern a populace, and it's a shitty place to live in for the people. I'm not going to delve into the potential abuses of such a notion, just suffice to say there's a lot of people that take issue with someone else telling them what they can/cannot do, as most free thinking individuals should.
That depends entirely on the law. I grew up in a dry county, next county over had a half dozen liquor stores on the county line, they made a lot of business.
Well can you go buy a grenade from the grenade store? An RPG from the RPG store? A tank from the tank store?