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HomerJS

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Yes, exactly.



Out of the goodness of our hearts and respect for America and the 2A? That's how. How do we pay to allow every criminal defendant a lawyer? Because we respect the constitution, that's why.
Ok. Call up Trump and tell him how much more he needs to increase the budget to send approx 10 guns, bullets, vests and training for 10 people for every high, middle, elementary school in the country. Set your watch on how long it will take him to say no. After that don't forget the same for daycare centers.
 

HomerJS

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Pens and paper are not specifically enumerated in the bill of rights. This is whataboutism at its finest. The discussion here is about bringing the 2A to as many people as possible.
BTW - How many of the people's 2A rights were lost from 1994 to 2004?
 

dyna

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The question in the tweet is how do you pay for arming teachers?

Any solution on school security should probably agreed upon/funded at the local community level. Metal detectors/Body scanners/Security at the entrance etc... Otherwise its going to come out of the standard school budget, the decision will come down to something like, will we sacrifice arts/theater/athletics for security? Choose one.
 

Puffnstuff

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Any solution on school security should probably agreed upon/funded at the local community level. Metal detectors/Body scanners/Security at the entrance etc... Otherwise its going to come out of the standard school budget, the decision will come down to something like, will we sacrifice arts/theater/athletics for security? Choose one.
Its beginning to sound like a new era in home schooling is upon us.
 

HomerJS

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Every single person was infringed. Including non gun owners. We've been infringed since 1934.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you how many of the people's 2A rights were lost/taken from 1994-2004?

Scalia already stated in the Heller decision that the ruling didn't preclude the government for regulating certain types of weapons.
 

jackstar7

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Every single person was infringed. Including non gun owners. We've been infringed since 1934.
That infringement doesn't seem to have hurt anyone. And by hurt, I mean murdered a child with a gun.

The zealotry is full of fervor. Such deep insecurities being brought into the light. Very emotional issue, particularly for those that need to hold onto their precious.
 
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momeNt

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I didn't ask you that. I asked you how many of the people's 2A rights were lost/taken from 1994-2004?

Scalia already stated in the Heller decision that the ruling didn't preclude the government for regulating certain types of weapons.

While the fundamentalist in me does not agree with him on it. it would be better to provide the pertinent quotes you are referring to.

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.”

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment ’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.

AR-15 is definitely "in common use" it is also essentially a military rifle, except it cannot be switched to 3 round burst or fully automatic. Which is something we need to look at in the future lifting the NFA restrictions on fully automatic weapons.
 

momeNt

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That infringement doesn't seem to have hurt anyone. And by hurt, I mean murdered a child with a gun.

The zealotry is full of fervor. Such deep insecurities being brought into the light. Very emotional issue, particular for those that need to hold onto their precious.

A child is 20x more likely to be killed by a handgun than any 1994 AWB restricted rifle. Just going off FBI crime stats.
 

HomerJS

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While the fundamentalist in me does not agree with him on it. it would be better to provide the pertinent quotes you are referring to.







AR-15 is definitely "in common use" it is also essentially a military rifle, except it cannot be switched to 3 round burst or fully automatic. Which is something we need to look at in the future lifting the NFA restrictions on fully automatic weapons.
I don't know how you can claim something is "common use" when it was illegal from '94 - '04 and nobody lost their 2A rights.

Also the fact you want to put machine guns back on the street is frightening.

BTW - The fundamentalist in me wants my last 2/5 back.
 
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This is what peer review is for. If the evidence holds up the bias of the people generating it doesn't matter.
You are skipping all the fraudulent peer reviewed medical papers that have been turning up lately.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/107-cancer-papers-retracted-due-to-peer-review-fraud/
https://www.statnews.com/2017/04/28/phony-peer-review/
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1512330

etc. etc. etc.

It's not as if biased peer review and falsification of medical data is so new and unusual. I just think steps must be take to keep political bias out of the CDC and other places if the Dickey Amendment is pulled. We'll need additional checks and balances to insure data isn't falsified.
 

HomerJS

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It's not as if biased peer review and falsification of medical data is so new and unusual. I just think steps must be take to keep political bias out of the CDC and other places if the Dickey Amendment is pulled. We'll need additional checks and balances to insure data isn't falsified.

Who makes that decision? A politician? Let's just leave it up to science and scientists. They are far more capable. Science goes where the data leads it.

And no we are not going to let 5% derail the consensus of 95%. We'll use a strong plurality.
 

feralkid

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Pens and paper are not specifically enumerated in the bill of rights. This is whataboutism at its finest. The discussion here is about bringing the 2A to as many people as possible.


This was in regard to funding. You know what that is?

Also, derp.
 
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Who makes that decision? A politician? Let's just leave it up to science and scientists. They are far more capable. Science goes where the data leads it.

And no we are not going to let 5% derail the consensus of 95%. We'll use a strong plurality.
OK, we'll just make sure that 1/2 the scientists/doctors hired are Republicans and 1/2 are Democrats. Just to be fair you know.
 

Homerboy

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Good news! Our school district (via the Super Independent) just sent out an email stating they are supporting the kid and will work with them in regards to attendance etc

"If secondary-aged students want to participate in such events, we support them."
 

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A child is 20x more likely to be killed by a handgun than any 1994 AWB restricted rifle. Just going off FBI crime stats.
We can start with the low hanging fruit first. Slippery slope
 

SMOGZINN

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You are skipping all the fraudulent peer reviewed medical papers that have been turning up lately.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/107-cancer-papers-retracted-due-to-peer-review-fraud/
https://www.statnews.com/2017/04/28/phony-peer-review/
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1512330

etc. etc. etc.

It's not as if biased peer review and falsification of medical data is so new and unusual. I just think steps must be take to keep political bias out of the CDC and other places if the Dickey Amendment is pulled. We'll need additional checks and balances to insure data isn't falsified.

Peer review might make mistakes, but overall it is the best system we have ever developed for removing bias, and as your articles point out the bias was detected and removed in meta-review. That is how it is supposed to work, even the peer review gets peer reviewed, because there is nothing a scientist likes more then being able to prove that another scientist (or even better the entire established knowledge) is wrong. It is the thing that wins prestigious awards that come with nice plaques to hang on your wall. It is basically the fondest dream of any researcher.

And asking de facto biased politicians to remove bias from something is asking the cat to guard the canary.
 
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momeNt

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We can start with the low hanging fruit first. Slippery slope

The selfish person in me would almost accept more extensive vetting if they agreed to lift the blanket taxes on the NFA and stopped states from banning NFA items outright as well as federal CCW. But I know that keeping America armed and ready is too important for my selfish want of a suppressed SBR in my state.

I know that the mentally ill and convicted and released felons deserve just as much the protections of the 2A as somebody with a spotless record such as myself. So I ultimately wouldn't accept it.
 
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