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HomerJS

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Teacher in Israel



They have 1/3 of our homicide rate and 1/5 of firearm related death rate.
More clarification on Israel and their gun homicide rates.
Gun laws in Israel are comprehensive despite soldiers being allowed to carry their service weapons on or off duty. Civilians must obtain a firearms licence to lawfully acquire, possess, sell or transfer firearms and ammunition.

Only a small group of people are eligible for firearms licenses: certain retired military personnel, police officers or prison guards; residents of frontier towns (in the West Bank and the Golan Heights) or those who often work in such towns; and licensed hunters and animal-control officers. Age requirements vary: 20 or 21 for those who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 27 otherwise, and 45 for non-citizens. Firearm license applicants must have been a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, pass a background check (criminal, health, and mental history), establish a genuine reason for possessing a firearm (such as self-defense, hunting, or sport), and pass a weapons-training course.[51] Around 40% of applications for firearms permits are rejected.[52]

Those holding firearms licenses must renew them and pass a shooting course every three years, and undergo psychological assessment at least once every six years. Security guards must pass these tests to renew their license to carry firearms belonging to their employers.[53] Applicants must demonstrate that they have a safe at their residence in which to keep the firearm. Permits are given only for personal use, and holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun and purchase an annual supply of 50 cartridges (although more may be purchased to replace rounds used at a firing range).[54]

In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry-licenses to their members or employees for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces). Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (e.g.: practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles and air pistols) and ammunition after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals who want to engage in practice shooting are allowed supervised use of handguns at firing ranges.

Most individuals who are licensed to possess handguns may carry them loaded in public, concealed or openly.[51]
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Teacher in Israel



They have 1/3 of our homicide rate and 1/5 of firearm related death rate.

LOL, here's the reality of firearms in Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-unlike-the-us-a-privilege-but-no-right-to-bear-arms/

If you want to move to Israeli gun control laws, I'm all for it. WAY more strict than US laws.

EDIT: Here's more on Israel's strict gun control: https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/israels-gun-control-laws-can-make-the-us-safer-too/

Your idea, not mine

I don't think momeNt really thought that one through.

LOL
 

momeNt

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momeNt's face when they realize they inadvertently advocated for much stronger gun control laws:

I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?

FWIW, i do not believe in any sort of "empirical" evidence of the effects of gun control laws in other countries and attempting to equivocate them to the USA. Each country has distinctly different cultures and attitudes towards violence and different environments that produce adults in different ways. You cannot control for all of those things. If we adopted UK's gun laws tomorrow we wouldn't have UK's crime rates.
 

jpeyton

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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?
Let's not distort reality here. You posted an unattributed picture that you stated is an armed teacher in Israel with the caption:

"They have 1/3 of our homicide rate and 1/5 of firearm related death rate."

Their homicide rate and firearm related death rate have everything to do with who their society chooses to be armed and how they arm them, also known as their system of gun control. Do you or do you not support Israel's gun control laws?
 

UNCjigga

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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?

FWIW, i do not believe in any sort of "empirical" evidence of the effects of gun control laws in other countries and attempting to equivocate them to the USA. Each country has distinctly different cultures and attitudes towards violence and different environments that produce adults in different ways. You cannot control for all of those things. If we adopted UK's gun laws tomorrow we wouldn't have UK's crime rates.

No, you shared a photo of a teacher carrying a rifle for which you provided zero context. Do all teachers carry, or only those teachers in frontier settlements? Was this photo taken during relative "calm" or during an intifada?
 

momeNt

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Let's not distort reality here. You posted an unattributed picture that you stated is an armed teacher in Israel with the caption:

"They have 1/3 of our homicide rate and 1/5 of firearm related death rate."

Their homicide rate and firearm related death rate have everything to do with who their society chooses to be armed and how they arm them, also known as their system of gun control. Do you or do you not support Israel's gun control laws?

Don't support. I'm all for shall not infringe, if you are free with your rights in your country you should be able to own a gun. If you can vote you can carry IMO.

And again, homicide rate and firearm related death rates cannot be correlated strongly enough with gun control laws in any country to form any sort of statistically significant conclusion. That stands the same for one state to the next, or one country to the next, too many variables and there are studies that show this.
 

brycejones

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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?
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No context, no facts except something about homicide rates and gun death rates. You got caught making a half-assed argument.
 

HomerJS

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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?

FWIW, i do not believe in any sort of "empirical" evidence of the effects of gun control laws in other countries and attempting to equivocate them to the USA. Each country has distinctly different cultures and attitudes towards violence and different environments that produce adults in different ways. You cannot control for all of those things. If we adopted UK's gun laws tomorrow we wouldn't have UK's crime rates.
How are you going to arm all the soft targets in the country? Do we want to live in a police state?
 

momeNt

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No, you shared a photo of a teacher carrying a rifle for which you provided zero context. Do all teachers carry, or only those teachers in frontier settlements? Was this photo taken during relative "calm" or during an intifada?

Don't know and don't care. It was a teacher with a gun so i posted it and some stats, that teacher could have saved anywhere from 1 to 17 people a week ago. You don't seem to care about that though.
 

momeNt

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How are you going to arm all the soft targets in the country? Do we want to live in a police state?

Maybe tax credits or vouchers or something like the ACA. If healthcare is a basic human right, then so is firearm ownership.
 

momeNt

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No context, no facts except something about homicide rates and gun death rates. You got caught making a half-assed argument.

Well I wanted to include the comic in my response, but I deleted the picture since it was just up the page, and I did not realize that he had no text other than the picture, so it did not quote him at all.

I've never really argued for it from any other standpoint other than shall not infringe and its a basic right of property ownership. So I've rarely been accused of ever making good arguments on gun control since I am a fundamentalist on the matter.

edit: when asked in person about gun control and having conversations with avid gun control enthusiasts, I simply say no, because I believe in none, I know common ground is not attainable so I don't bother trying.
 
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I just want to say that these are the same kids that just 2 weeks ago we had to plead with them to stop eating Tide Pods, now they are leading the discussion on the future of our nation.

Me and Alex Jones thought it was flouride in the water and gay frogs, well now we know it was actually Procter and Gamble and the globalism conspiracy New World Order poisoning our minds through Tide Pods.

God help us.
Maybe they can suck on Tide Pods and still be taken seriously by the media?
 
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lol. And here we have the sick and disgusting subhuman filth, taj-mahal, attacking highschool victims and survivors of gun murder, merely to prop up the "holy NRA." This is because Taj is a sad waste of carbon atoms. You have no value to contribute to the human race, taj. How does that feel?
It feels good, I don't and have never supported a carbon tax.
 
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I looked over your list and don't accept it, either would the Supreme Court. Thank you for your input. We value your opinion.

Yea its multi delusional allright. Here is my solution.

NEW rules; Special a777pilot Version.
  • Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
  • No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.*
  • One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
  • Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.*
  • Buy back programs for them, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun without title unless you have a special permit (rare.)
  • No gun show sales
  • Private sales illegal without transfer of gun title.
  • No silencers
  • No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
  • No open carry on our streets at all period.
  • No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
  • No immediate gun purchases.
  • Complete background check.
  • 10 day waiting list.
  • Impeach Trump
  • I don't care if your Annie Oakley before you purchase a gun you first have to take a firearm safety class.
  • Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
  • No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.*
  • One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
  • Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.*
  • Buy back programs for them, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun without title unless you have a special permit (rare.)
  • No gun show sales
  • Private sales illegal without transfer of gun title.
  • No silencers
  • No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
  • No open carry on our streets at all period.
  • No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
  • No immediate gun purchases.
  • Complete background check.
  • 10 day waiting list.
  • Impeach Trump
  • I don't care if your Annie Oakley before you purchase a gun you first have to take a firearm safety class.
How you like them apples!
 
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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?

FWIW, i do not believe in any sort of "empirical" evidence of the effects of gun control laws in other countries and attempting to equivocate them to the USA. Each country has distinctly different cultures and attitudes towards violence and different environments that produce adults in different ways. You cannot control for all of those things. If we adopted UK's gun laws tomorrow we wouldn't have UK's crime rates.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/ohio-concealed-weapons-sheriff/index.html


"Hundreds of teachers and school employees in an Ohio county have signed up for a concealed weapons class their sheriff offered in response to last week's deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school.

Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones announced the free training on social media on Sunday evening and said there were 50 requests in 20 minutes."

An idea whose moment has come.
 

jpeyton

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/ohio-concealed-weapons-sheriff/index.html


"Hundreds of teachers and school employees in an Ohio county have signed up for a concealed weapons class their sheriff offered in response to last week's deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school.

Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones announced the free training on social media on Sunday evening and said there were 50 requests in 20 minutes."

An idea whose moment has come.
 
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Thebobo

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/ohio-concealed-weapons-sheriff/index.html


"Hundreds of teachers and school employees in an Ohio county have signed up for a concealed weapons class their sheriff offered in response to last week's deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school.

Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones announced the free training on social media on Sunday evening and said there were 50 requests in 20 minutes."

An idea whose moment has come.

Except it's still illegal for them to have their gun in the schools. LOL

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/03/ohio_gun_law_changes_take_effe.html
 

hal2kilo

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I advocated for teacher's carrying in response to the cartoon, showing that it is a reality, and probably advisable at this point. We aren't going to disarm America, so at this point it might be a good idea to actually equip schools with the ability to respond to a threat no?

FWIW, i do not believe in any sort of "empirical" evidence of the effects of gun control laws in other countries and attempting to equivocate them to the USA. Each country has distinctly different cultures and attitudes towards violence and different environments that produce adults in different ways. You cannot control for all of those things. If we adopted UK's gun laws tomorrow we wouldn't have UK's crime rates.
We're so special.
 
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