Florida policeman suspended after tasering woman, 61, in the back

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The Merg

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Haven't watched the video yet, but by the comments, it seems that while the arrest might have been justified, the use of force required for the arrest appears to be unnecessary.

I would gather the suspension is due to the officer not following police procedure with regard to when the taser can be used and how it is used. Does the officer announce the use of the taser at all? Many departments require that to be done, if possible, as just announcing its use can get people to comply.

- Merg


What did I deny? I said here the use of the taser appears to be unjustified. This was a perfect example of here the officer could have used hands on techniques to make the arrest.

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JEDIYoda

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This was a perfect example of here the officer could have used hands on techniques to make the arrest.
Yeah, body slam her face first to the ground and then claim it was justifiable because she was slowly one step at a time walking away....
 
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Haven't watched the video yet, but by the comments, it seems that while the arrest might have been justified, the use of force required for the arrest appears to be unnecessary.

I would gather the suspension is due to the officer not following police procedure with regard to when the taser can be used and how it is used. Does the officer announce the use of the taser at all? Many departments require that to be done, if possible, as just announcing its use can get people to comply.

- Merg

Please explain the point of commenting on and drawing conclusions about, something that you haven't seen yet?
 

The Merg

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Please explain the point of commenting on and drawing conclusions about, something that you haven't seen yet?


I thought that I could rely on posts from others here to be able to make an informed opinion.

It seemed like people thought that she was interfering, but the officer went overboard in tazering her. I was agreeing with that according to what people posted here. If I get a chance to watch the video, I'll post any other thoughts I have then.

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I thought that I could rely on posts from others here to be able to make an informed opinion.

It seemed like people thought that she was interfering, but the officer went overboard in tazering her. I was agreeing with that according to what people posted here. If I get a chance to watch the video, I'll post any other thoughts I have then.

- Merg

If you say so.
 

The Merg

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Yeah, body slam her face first to the ground and then claim it was justifiable because she was slowly one step at a time walking away....


Going hands on does not imply slamming her on the ground. All it means is that they use their hands to restrain her and arrest her. I never implied that they should slam her to the ground.

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The Merg

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Fog? That was mace! Those were UC Davis students on the campus.

They sued the school and got a settlement.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-21-pepper-sprayed-uc-davis-occupy-protesters

I replied before I saw your edit where you added the link. I like the part of the settlement that has the Chancellor issuing a written apology to each person.

And it was pepper spray (OC) and not mace. Pepper spray is used nowadays as it is all natural as opposed to mace.

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alkemyst

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From the article. She was interfering with officers attempting to arrest or question someone, she is able to be arrested, or at least, detained. She, rather, decided to resist.

You seem to love abuse of women for some reason.
 

The Merg

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Okay, I was able to watch it (used my phone) and it still seems like it could be a valid arrest. The one officer yells that if she comes up again she will be in the back of the cruiser. We can't see where she goes, but the other officer then walks over and motions that she needs to go. He then keeps on walking as I guess she did not back up. He grabs her wrist and she pulls away.

At that point the officer tases her as she turns to walk away. The tasing was wrong. I don't see how the officer can articulate using the taser. While we can't hear what he said (if he said anything) to her, if he was going to use the taser, there should be some sort of announcement, which would have been loud and it would have been picked up on video. I also don't see why he would have a reason to tase her in the back. This appears to me to be a clear incident where a hands on approach would be appropriate.

Now a question I have is why the cops were still there. The arrested subjects were in the cruisers. It appears that they could have just left at that point and the female would not have been an issue then.

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MtnMan

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I am sorry,...but where is the resistance or the justification for using the Tazer...... how can you construe walking away as resisting??
Perhaps you should go back and reread the post I responded to, then reread my post again?
 

Darwin333

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This women was being told to not come near the arresting officers, and when she refused to back up, as was being said, the officer approached her to arrest her. She then, pulls out of the officers grasp and starts to leave. At that point, rather than chase her down, he tases her. Now, I don't think it entirely appropriate, but it sure isn't rage inducing. I could have easily caught up to her and grabbed her for the arrest.

Catching up to her would have required a brisk walk, oh the noes!! She wasn't running or anything, she just turned around and walked away.
 

pcgeek11

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The fact that the cop has been suspended without pay shows that your racist hatred is making your look like a damn fool.

Race card? Really? Please point out where I said anything that was racist in this thread.

I would feel the same if she was lime green. It doesn't have shit to do with race. It is all about stupidity. Stupidity knows no race. Go look in the mirror, See.
 

Rebel44

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With such police behavior, its no wonder that compared to situation in EU, US streets looks like warzone.
 

LTC8K6

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I replied before I saw your edit where you added the link. I like the part of the settlement that has the Chancellor issuing a written apology to each person.

And it was pepper spray (OC) and not mace. Pepper spray is used nowadays as it is all natural as opposed to mace.

- Merg

"Mace" is now pretty much just pepper spray.

Though the design has been expanded on, the original Chemical Mace formula using only CN has since been discontinued. Due to the potentially toxic nature of CN and the generally superior incapacitating qualities of oleoresin capsicum (OC) pepper spray in most situations, the early CN has been mostly supplanted by OC formulas in police use, although Mace Security International still retains a popular "Triple Action" formula combining CN, OC and an ultraviolet marker dye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(spray)
 

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From the video it doesn't appear that tasering the woman was necessary. She wasn't violent, and wasn't trying to flee the scene (walking slowly away is not the same as running to escape). Whether she had committed a crime we can't know from the video, as we don't see or hear how she is acting before the tasering. I really don't get all of the reactions for and against the incident. It's not like the police were intentionally brutalizing her. Their actions were understandable, if extreme. I would give the officer two weeks suspension and retraining and make him liable for any injury from the incident (like if she broke her nose when she fell), assuming it is determined that tasering was against training. If it was part of training then the department should be liable.
 

CptObvious

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Tallahassee Police Department's recent history:

1. In 2008 TPD pressures a 23-year old woman caught with marijuana and ecstasy to turn into an informant to avoid the charges. They lose track of her during the sting and she ends up getting murdered. The city ends up paying $2.6 million to the family and Florida passes an informant law because of this case. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/03/the-throwaways

2. Last year TPD botches a rape investigation into the city's star quarterback: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...egations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0

3. This year TPD admits it used a Stingray cell phone tracking device 200 times since 2010 without obtaining a warrant. http://www.wired.com/2014/03/stingray/

4. Two weeks ago the city paid $475,000 in another excessive-force case after the TPD slams a woman's face into the pavement during an arrest: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...0-settlement-in-christina-west-case/15687155/

5. Two days ago the city pays $50,000 in yet another excessive force case after the police break into a home, drag a man outside, and subdue him and his children for 45 minutes until they realize they have the wrong address: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...es-another-tpd-excessive-force-case/16654867/
 
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Rebel44

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Tallahassee Police Department's recent history:

1. In 2008 TPD pressures a 23-year old woman caught with marijuana and ecstasy to turn into an informant to avoid the charges. They lose track of her during the sting and she ends up getting murdered. The city ends up paying $2.6 million to the family and Florida passes an informant law because of this case. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/03/the-throwaways

2. Last year TPD botches a rape investigation into the city's star quarterback: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...egations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0

3. This year TPD admits it used a Stingray cell phone tracking device 200 times since 2010 without obtaining a warrant. http://www.wired.com/2014/03/stingray/

4. Two weeks ago the city paid $475,000 in another excessive-force case after the TPD slams a woman's face into the pavement during an arrest: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...0-settlement-in-christina-west-case/15687155/

5. Two days ago the city pays $50,000 in yet another excessive force case after the police break into a home, drag a man outside, and subdue him and his children for 45 minutes until they realize they have the wrong address: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...es-another-tpd-excessive-force-case/16654867/

Doesnt look like nice place to live.
Is Tallahassee in Iraq?
 

mizzou

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Seems you are the problem, you will defend police no matter how shitty they are. As expected

He's just saying what the law is, just because the law favors the police in certain situations doesn't mean it's some type of evil plot.


Anyway in this, it's another case of "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If you want to resist a police officer, have fun with that. Whether or not he was justified in the use of the TASER is a matter of internal policy. Typically, someone resisting in a forceful but non-violent way is a justified use for TASING.

Why? Because an armbar to the ground or wrestling them is statistically more dangerous for both.
 
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