and there is the racism card troll post. you are just like those bozos. get a life loser.
your lack of empathy is disturbing.
For real people. A guy fell in a pond by himself. He drowned. Some people laughed about it and made jokes on the shore nearby. That was literally all that happened here... yet we're having a nationwide discussion on how we can make new laws so in the future if other teenagers laugh nearby when tragic stuff happens they can be prosecuted. You guys don't even know how stupidly/hilariously the guy acted falling into the pond. Or if he ignored their warnings prior to doing it. The man probably harassed those kids and ignored their warnings, and they were just practicing their good conservative tenets of " F you, got mine" and letting the man save himself. Bootstraps were needed, snowflakes.
This story is racism. Shame on you all for acting so indignant and shocked about nothing merely because of skin color.
Even if there was only a 10% chance of them saving the poor drowning man, they should have tried.
What is the real cause of things like that ?
Is it a complete failure of the education system and/or family teaching them family values (morality) ?
Is it medicines or illegal (or legalized) drugs they have taken and/or food additives, causing changes within their brains.
Or something else, such as genetics from their families ?
Or maybe things like this have always been happening, all along. But it is only now, with modern technology, and video cameras in the bulk of mobile/cell-net phones. Which means we know about this, whereas, if it happened, perhaps 30 years ago, we would probably have never known anything about it (i.e. that people were watching and could have helped etc).
Your answer reveals far more about yourself than your stunted moral compass can apparently register.For real people. A guy fell in a pond by himself. He drowned. Some people laughed about it and made jokes on the shore nearby. That was literally all that happened here... yet we're having a nationwide discussion on how we can make new laws so in the future if other teenagers laugh nearby when tragic stuff happens they can be prosecuted. You guys don't even know how stupidly/hilariously the guy acted falling into the pond. Or if he ignored their warnings prior to doing it. The man probably harassed those kids and ignored their warnings, and they were just practicing their good conservative tenets of " F you, got mine" and letting the man save himself. Bootstraps were needed, snowflakes.
This story is racism. Shame on you all for acting so indignant and shocked about nothing merely because of skin color.
FIVR is just trying too hard to get his troll on. Although, you have to wonder how fragile and needy his ego has to be to try that hard.Your answer reveals far more about yourself than your stunted moral compass can apparently register.
It's not just that they didn't try, because there could indeed have been reasons why someone would not actively try to jump in trying to save someone drowning. (But this is not a debate about whether them actively trying to save the man would have been dangerous/successful etc.)
They also didn't do the common sense thing, such as calling 911...here too it doesn't even matter whether this would have "helped" or not. They didn't show ANY concern whatsoever about that person drowning, whatsoever. Indeed it was entertainment for them, to laugh about, to film and to mock that guy.
Not only that. After they realized he did indeed drown, they didn't bother to report this. They just FUCKING saw a man dying in that pond and went home like nothing happened. Despite being in some way traumatized or even feeling the slightest guilt (over not helping, over not at least calling for help), they then shared the video on social media..and if it wasn't for that, that man would likely still be floating in that water right now and missing.
This is one of the most fucked up things I learned about in recent times.
It's not just that they didn't try, because there could indeed have been reasons why someone would not actively try to jump in trying to save someone drowning. (But this is not a debate about whether them actively trying to save the man would have been dangerous/successful etc.)
They also didn't do the common sense thing, such as calling 911...here too it doesn't even matter whether this would have "helped" or not. They didn't show ANY concern whatsoever about that person drowning, whatsoever. Indeed it was entertainment for them, to laugh about, to film and to mock that guy.
Not only that. After they realized he did indeed drown, they didn't bother to report this. They just FUCKING saw a man dying in that pond and went home like nothing happened. Despite being in some way traumatized or even feeling the slightest guilt (over not helping, over not at least calling for help), they then shared the video on social media..and if it wasn't for that, that man would likely still be floating in that water right now and missing.
This is one of the most fucked up things I learned about in recent times.
Most of the time bad behavior is caused by people being rewarded for bad behavior by their peers.
Here's the video of this incident:
This is one of the most fucked up things I learned about in recent times.
But I don't agree with your final line - one hears of things worse than this quite frequently.
Her explanation, captured by the phrase “the banality of evil,” posits that evil deeds are, for the most part, not perpetrated by monsters or sadists. Most often, they are perpetrated by seemingly ordinary people like Adolf Eichmann, who value conformity and narrow self-interest over the welfare of others.
These teens weren't serial murderers or rapists or gang bangers run amok. They were a group of young'uns who could not find even one ounce of humanity in their hearts, in their souls, to reach out and help, if with nothing more than hitting 911, for a fellow human being who was fighting for his life.
That is chilling.
We have met the enemy, and he is us. ;(
Morals is not something you can ever teach in public school. It's a core value that comes from family, no question.
I think part of their bad behavior, was caused because they were in a group. The boy(s) who suggested they call the Police, probably/maybe would have, if they had been on their own and/or was with a better group of people.
There is some kind of special psychology going on, when you are in a group of people. Which may have had a bearing on how the group reacted to the situation.
I agree with flexy. This incident strikes a deep nerve. Hanna Arendt nailed it with The Banality of Evil.
These teens weren't serial murderers or rapists or gang bangers run amok. They were a group of young'uns who could not find even one ounce of humanity in their hearts, in their souls, to reach out and help, if with nothing more than hitting 911, for a fellow human being who was fighting for his life.
That is chilling.
We have met the enemy, and he is us. ;(
These teens weren't serial murderers or rapists or gang bangers run amok. They were a group of young'uns who could not find even one ounce of humanity in their hearts, in their souls, to reach out and help, if with nothing more than hitting 911, for a fellow human being who was fighting for his life.
That is chilling.
We have met the enemy, and he is us.
The ethologist John B. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe the collapse in behavior which resulted from overcrowding. Over a number of years, Calhoun conducted over-population experiments on Norway rats (in 1958–1962) and mice (in 1968–1972).[1] Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" in his February 1, 1962 report in an article titled Population Density and Social Pathology in the Scientific American weekly newspaper[2] on the rat experiment.[3] Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.[4]
"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule" – Nietzsche
Ever wonder why that is?
"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule" – Nietzsche
Ever wonder why that is?
Yes, I do wonder. It is an interesting subject area.
Understanding the psychology of groups/peers, can probably help shed a lot of information as to WHY those group of boys, acted the way they did.
There are some interesting educational/experimental videos about that kind of thing. E.g. In a Doctors waiting room, there is one experiment "victim", the other people are all actors, who have been told to randomly clap, very 30 seconds for a few times.
The experimental "victim", who knows nothing about it. Sees the other people stand up and/or clap, and soon joins in with the groups activities. Just to fit in and be seen as "normal".
Even though I got some of the details wrong (e.g. no clapping etc), google found the video for me.
How do you know it's "to fit in and be seen as 'normal'" rather than because there's no real cost to doing so and one might rationally calculate that if they are all doing it there may be a reason that you have missed?
So many social psychology experiments have turned out to have been misinterpreted or outright mis-reported. I don't find many of them all that convincing, personally.
Crowds aren’t really crazed – they are made of highly co-operative individuals driven to shared interests and goals
I basically agree with you.
My understanding is that a HUGE amount of psychology stuff, is not necessarily reproducible and/or is too subjective. The tests may have even been mainly done on animals, and it is just hypothetical, that it also applies to humans as well. I.e. it might apply to humans, but it might not.
I have heard that when, in a crowded street, someone is attacked by criminals or someone known to them. A kind of "herd" (group) mentality applies. Where if at least one person helps, the others around the area join in. But if no one moves in to help the victim(s), everyone else may also do the some (ignore the victim(s)). I.e. walk past, rather than helping.
Google seems to find a very large number of articles about it. Where Social Psychologists have tried to determine and define "crowd/mob" behaviors. I've had to choose one link, it is long and complicated, so probably unsuitable for many people.
https://aeon.co/essays/the-surprising-psychology-of-the-compassionate-crowd
Don't spoil my attempt to be argumentative by agreeing with me!
I was partly thinking of this widely-reported study
https://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248
Though it fitted perfectly with my existing perceptions of the field. I've read many descriptions of such experiments that didn't sound very convincing to me. And some of the most famous ones (like that Stanford prison experiment) have been endlessly argued over and seem to have been misreported in the first place.
I also am suspicious that a general disparaging of 'groups' as opposed to 'individuals' might be about pushing a libertarian agenda.
In this case this wasn't really an organised 'group'. If you are going to define some kids who hang out together as a 'group' then surely we are all in groups and there's no such thing as an individual? (Actually, yeah, we _are_ all in groups, nobody could survive as a complete hermit from birth, so it's a bit of a false dichotomy). These youths were products of their upbringing and the society they live in, though just possibly the most relevant thing about them is their age - with a poor start they hadn't had time to gain a bit of decency and sense before being put to the test.
But of course there might have been some of them who were more dominant personalities than the others, and the others just went along with them, but I don't think that's a particularly deep observation.
And you do hear of things like this all the time. The 16 year-old kid allegedly carrying out repeated acid-attacks in London recently maiming people for life just in order to steal from them, the idiot youths who run off to join ISIS..or the wealthy establishment guys who pull amoral-but-legal tricks to leave their workers without pensions. Unfortunately the world has plenty of poorly-socialised people, because human society has a lot of problems.