Duh. Well, when I come down with a virus I may have my suspicions as to where I picked up the germs, but in most cases it's anything but for sure. You can pick up microbial pathogens just about anywhere, any time.If you get punched in the face, and you get a black-and-blue mark around your eye the next day, it is NOT for certain that the two are related.
(Maybe it was just a heartofore unknown peanut allergy, and those cookies you ate yesterday, were processed in a facility that handled peanuts.)
I mean, it's not like... cause and effect is obvious in the real world...
I don't "normally," but this year I got my flu shot the very first day it was available from my HMO. Got an email that it was available and I didn't wait. Hey, the sooner you get it the sooner you're protected... takes two weeks for the immunity to fully kick in. I hate being sick. First thing I do when I get home, doesn't matter where I've been or what I did, I wash my hands.There's also so many different strains of the flu that even if you get the vaccine you could still get a strain not covered. It's generally a good idea to take the vaccine but it's not 100% foolproof either.
So true.Slight symptoms doesn't always mean "sick" as in "having a cold". It seems like you're simply linking two independent events in time and assuming that one caused the other. They're kids - they can easily pick up germs anywhere.
The idea that the flu shot can make people sick (in the cold and flu sense) is also not consistent at all with the current medical knowledge. You could get some general symptoms related to immune reactions from a vaccine, but you just cannot get the flu or a cold from the shot.
You deduce the shot resulted in them getting sick. Of course, an epidemiologist would not jump to that conclusion.
If a person gets a flu shot and gets sick the next day, it is NOT for certain that the two are related.
Slight symptoms doesn't always mean "sick" as in "having a cold". It seems like you're simply linking two independent events in time and assuming that one caused the other. They're kids - they can easily pick up germs anywhere.
I'm sorry you're not understanding the concept of correlation != causation. There are reams of studies showing that you do not get a viral or bacterial infection from the flu vaccine. Your anecdote is not very convincing.Not many things in life are for certain. But in this case, it's like you people purposely are trying to be obtuse in the name of science. If I just felt a sting and there's a bee nearby...it could've been another bee that I never saw, or maybe not even a bee sting!!!!!!!
Or maybe it's the fucking bee that's right fucking here that I've been trying to shoo away.
Yes, from anywhere. They happen to have escaped getting sickness symptoms for months on end. Then the shot. That's the anywhere. The few people here who've said they felt pretty shitty the following days can't claim to be sick because of a technicality? What are you supposed to call it? Especially after having it a week now?
I'm sorry you're not understanding the concept of correlation != causation. There are reams of studies showing that you do not get a viral or bacterial infection from the flu vaccine. Your anecdote is not very convincing.
Perhaps it's the wording being used - "sick". Symptoms, as an adverse event from the vaccine, may make you feel a little sick, but you aren't actually sick in the spreading colds sense. And it is entirely possible that the two events are entirely unrelated. You don't get immediately sick when you pick up a cold virus. It can take a few days to incubate before symptoms show up.
People get wound up over this issue because so many use bullshit excuses to avoid getting the influenza vaccine, and then also spread misinformation about it.
Was wondering about this myself ... ?
They still do have it ... supposed to be slightly less effective from what I've read.
If you think about it, where would the homeless go to get vaccinated for the flu shot? Obviously not a doctor or at a clinic, cause they are most likely not able to afford even go to one.Why???
^ well damnit as long as I'm not officially sick, that feeling of sickness that bothers me for days doesn't matter!
*Can make you sick. Our 11yo twins haven't been remotely unwell for maybe a year and the same week they get the flu shot they start having symptoms of stuffy & runny nose. No fever, no nausea, and a little initial soreness. They have had allergies off & on, but it doesn't present to this degree and doesn't last throughout the day(s), but whatever they have now, it's staying. They are not bed-ridden or anything, but clearly they are battling something. So I don't care that the virus they give you is a dead strain. It still makes them unwell. Who's with me? Good thing we scheduled the shot away from any important events/travel. They have games every weekend so I have to plan for this shot every year.
I get my shot every year and I have been fine, but bottom line, don't trust that your kids will be 100% ok.
Possible valid point.If you think about it, where would the homeless go to get vaccinated for the flu shot? Obviously not a doctor or at a clinic, cause they are most likely not able to afford even go to one.
Point being, there is a high chance they will make you sit on a chair or something where probably many homeless people sat on that day before you. So you probably would more likely be opening yourself up to many other transmittable diseases or infections, than just the flu.
Exactly. I don't know why people here like to get caught up in semantics so much. It's quite petty.
Whether I feel sick or am officially diagnosed as being sick I don't really care at that moment, I just consider myself sick. Sure there is a difference if you want to get technical but most people when they say they are sick they don't care about the technicalities nor did they even get tested.
So, this is false.
The flu shot doesn't make you sick or unwell. It can, however, produce an immune response which makes you feel under the weather for a couple days. But that's different than being sick or in a state of unwellness.
Exactly. I don't know why people here like to get caught up in semantics so much. It's quite petty.
Whether I feel sick or am officially diagnosed as being sick I don't really care at that moment, I just consider myself sick. Sure there is a difference if you want to get technical but most people when they say they are sick they don't care about the technicalities nor did they even get tested.
Exactly. I don't know why people here like to get caught up in semantics so much. It's quite petty.
Whether I feel sick or am officially diagnosed as being sick I don't really care at that moment, I just consider myself sick. Sure there is a difference if you want to get technical but most people when they say they are sick they don't care about the technicalities nor did they even get tested.
This could all be due to the placebo effect. People convince themselves the flu shot will make them sick, and it "does."
What can I tell ya... YMMV. Some people get car sick.Holy crap what is with people in this thread? When people around you say they "feel sick" does your nasally scientist voice come out while you slowly explain to them they're not really sick unless they've truly got a virus or bacteria infecting their bodies? Wife: I feel sick from PMSing today. You: Well you don't really feel sick you know.
Yes sometimes semantics matter but sometimes people can take it to way down the obnoxious rabbit hole.
Damn, when even eits is saying you're being ridiculously ignorant when it comes to medical related (especially vaccines as he used to rage about them), you should probably take it as a hint.
That's called a nocebo effect. It's similar to a placebo effect, except with negative outcomes rather than a positive one.This could all be due to the placebo effect. People convince themselves the flu shot will make them sick, and it "does."
I don't normally get the flu shot because the couple times I have, I still got the flu. And I always feel like crap for few days right after I get the flu shot.
Now I skip the flu shot and just try to avoid humans much as possible. I also try not to eat out as much during the flu season. If I do eat out, I stick with deep fried fast food. I figure deep frying will kill any germs and viruses.
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2017–2018 season was also high with an estimated 48.8 million people getting sick with influenza, 22.7 million people going to a health care provider, 959,000 hospitalizations, and 79,400 deaths from influenza (Table 1). The number of cases of influenza-associated illness that occurred last season was the highest since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, when an estimated 60 million people were sick with influenza6.