Flynn has promised to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians

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brycejones

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Donald Trump is a russian traitor who is supported by nazis.

All the enemies of America together running America. With support from evil and stupid Americans.

But we need to give more money to rich people so something can trickle down!
 

realibrad

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Uh, depending on your definition of 'enemy' and 'aid', yes, you most certainly can work out that treason is exactly what Trump has been involved in. If he promised aid to Russia in the form of .. well, anything the position of Presidency might permit him, and if you consider Russia an enemy of the US (I'd say meddling in an election would classify them as such), that's pretty much verbatim Treason..

Maybe, but I doubt that and we have no evidence of that. Right now its all collusion and not Treason.
 

realibrad

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And you don't know this. It is highly likely that they did given who he met with.

It's quite likely that there are treasonous acts involved in the various contacts, it's kinda unavoidable dealing with a spy for a foreign nation when you are a higher ranking officer since the contact IN AND OF ITSELF is an act of treason when it is not an official meeting.

I also don't know that you are not listening to Hanna Montana with a dildo up your butt, but that does not mean much does it?

Why is it quite likely? If the agreement was that the spy gave info to Trump and in return Trump would have better relations, its not Treason, its collusion. To me collusion would be more than enough to get him impeached, but that would not mean criminal charges.
 

Muse

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"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason...
War isn't in the picture in interpreting this, the question is, is Russia an enemy of the United States of America? DJT said (and raised a lot of eyebrows doing so), "I think it would be great if we could be friends with Russia." However, Russia has been considered an enemy/adversary of the USA ever since the end of WW II. Donald controverting that is just another of his WTF statements he's famous for.
 

LPCTech

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We'll let the lawyers figure it out. Gonna be fun to watch everyone cry/deny/say they never supported/ double downers etc. The rats gonna scurry.
 

J.Wilkins

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I also don't know that you are not listening to Hanna Montana with a dildo up your butt, but that does not mean much does it?

You know, when people make analogies they derive from their own experience... Psychology 101.

Why is it quite likely? If the agreement was that the spy gave info to Trump and in return Trump would have better relations, its not Treason, its collusion. To me collusion would be more than enough to get him impeached, but that would not mean criminal charges.

Flynn being a high ranking officer privvy to the most secretive of secrets meeting with a known Russian spy OFF the record in unofficial meetings and then lying about it...

Yeah, you're right, that's just the 'murican way.
 

realibrad

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War isn't in the picture in interpreting this, the question is, is Russia an enemy of the United States of America? DJT said (and raised a lot of eyebrows doing so), "I think it would be great if we could be friends with Russia." However, Russia has been considered an enemy/adversary of the USA ever since the end of WW II. Donald controverting that is just another of his WTF statements he's famous for.

You have to show aid though, and not collusion with Russia. Even that assumes that Russia would be labeled an enemy which would be a huge move.
 

realibrad

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You know, when people make analogies they derive from their own experience... Psychology 101.



Flynn being a high ranking officer privvy to the most secretive of secrets meeting with a known Russian spy OFF the record in unofficial meetings and then lying about it...

Yeah, you're right, that's just the 'murican way.

Again, collusion and not Treason. 100% if they can prove Treason then go for it, but as of right now its collusion and lying about it.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Even that assumes that Russia would be labeled an enemy which would be a huge move.
I actually wish some politicians would wear their nuts on the outside and just state this. Meddling in a democratic election makes you an enemy, full-stop (and for the record, I think this label applies to all the silly shit the USA has done in the past as well). This should be a public awareness thing. Now, if that leads to better relations, so be it, but one doesn't need be at Total War with another to be a enemy.
 

J.Wilkins

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Well, at least according to Trump dick lickers.

No, according to fskimospy who knows a lot more about US laws on this matter than I do and he is no Trump dick licker in any shape or form.

US laws are distinctly different on this.
 

J.Wilkins

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Again, collusion and not Treason. 100% if they can prove Treason then go for it, but as of right now its collusion and lying about it.

Again, for a high ranking officer (a General) to meet with a known spy unofficially and then lying about it isn't treason in the US, it's not collusion or anything else either according to US law.

It's apparently perfectly fine.

Who knows why he's turning on Trump, maybe they made him read enough of your comments to make him completely insane with the retarded nature of a supposed intelligent 'murican?

Now fuck off.
 
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Again, for a high ranking officer (a General) to meet with a known spy unofficially and then lying about it isn't reason in the US, it's not collusion or anything else either according to US law.

It's apparently perfectly fine.
It's due to the very narrow definition of treason. You need an enemy. Essentially a declared or open war against another government.

As an example. The Rosenbergs were executed for giving secrets to the Russians. But it was espionage, not treason.
 

Zorba

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Treason is generally understood by the courts only to apply to people we are at war with, not people who are simply opposed to the US.

In a legal sense I'm pretty sure neither committed treason. In a colloquial sense it seems possible both did.
Who were we at war with when the Rosenbergs got fried?
 

realibrad

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I actually wish some politicians would wear their nuts on the outside and just state this. Meddling in a democratic election makes you an enemy, full-stop (and for the record, I think this label applies to all the silly shit the USA has done in the past as well). This should be a public awareness thing. Now, if that leads to better relations, so be it, but one doesn't need be at Total War with another to be a enemy.

Well, I bet it happens quite a bit. If I'm not mistaken, Hillary also used Russian agents in her campaign for information. Politics is filled with shitty people doing shitty things.

It is truly sad that the Right who last election thought Russia was a huge threat seem to be so willing to let Trump slide on this though.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It is truly sad that the Right who last election thought Russia was a huge threat seem to be so willing to let Trump slide on this though.
This is the story of dualistic thinking and a two-party system. Every single thing done by 'the enemy' is considered acceptable when your side does it, or 'it's different' or 'there was a reason' or whatever fucktardic excuse one invents to keep their players on the field while the other's gets ejected.
 

realibrad

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Again, for a high ranking officer (a General) to meet with a known spy unofficially and then lying about it isn't treason in the US, it's not collusion or anything else either according to US law.

It's apparently perfectly fine.

Who knows why he's turning on Trump, maybe they made him read enough of your comments to make him completely insane with the retarded nature of a supposed intelligent 'murican?

Now fuck off.

No, legally its collusion. In the us collusion is inherently illegal.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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He was convicted of lying to the FBI, not meeting with the Russian ambassador. so continue with the typical circle jerk about trump and Russians.
Actually he's not been convicted. He pled to far lesser charges than he might otherwise face. Mueller is following the time honored playbook which is always to hook bigger fish and there are exactly two of those, Pence and Trump
 

Sunburn74

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And you don't know this. It is highly likely that they did given who he met with.

It's quite likely that there are treasonous acts involved in the various contacts, it's kinda unavoidable dealing with a spy for a foreign nation when you are a higher ranking officer since the contact IN AND OF ITSELF is an act of treason when it is not an official meeting.
Treason, conspiracy against the United States. Regardless the gist is bad stuff.
 

J.Wilkins

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No, legally its collusion. In the us collusion is inherently illegal.

No you daft twat, it is not collusion at all and even if it was, collusion is perfectly legal.

You have two options now, go find the laws that says that collusion when it is NOT treasonous is illegal and present them to me or shut the fuck up.

Pick one of the two.
 

realibrad

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This is the story of dualistic thinking and a two-party system. Every single thing done by 'the enemy' is considered acceptable when your side does it, or 'it's different' or 'there was a reason' or whatever fucktardic excuse one invents to keep their players on the field while the other's gets ejected.

It used to piss me off in elementary when we would play a game and a kid would cheat. Nobody wanted to play against the cheater but all were happy to have him on their team. I hated it and would call it out even when he was on our team.

Its why I hated when the Right tried to argue that speaking against Christianity was hate speech, and how I also hate when the left starts trying to limit speech.
 

FIVR

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It used to piss me off in elementary when we would play a game and a kid would cheat. Nobody wanted to play against the cheater but all were happy to have him on their team. I hated it and would call it out even when he was on our team.

Its why I hated when the Right tried to argue that speaking against Christianity was hate speech, and how I also hate when the left starts trying to limit speech.

You mean, both sides?


Amazing. Who would've thought you'd make the exact same post 6,220 times.
 
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