I will post examples when I'm not on my phone out and about.How so?
Once again cite some examples. All you are posting is rhetoric, and guess who owns that line?
GOP. You are spouting a key GOP talking point as they are set on breaking any union they can. It's been a cornerstone of their policies, and you are personally carrying water for them.
Organized labor is not a wall of solidarity in this country. Go to Europe to see that.
It is more like Jenga, and you cannot just extract the vast swath of public sector organizations out of it and hope it will stand.
The GOP faithful are standing by with hammers and mallets hoping to break it down.
Where did I say I didn't like unions?Agree. I also think people need to understand why and where "unions are always evil" comes from.
Being younger, I never quite understood unions. I always thought they were evil. And you know why? Because big corporations tell you they are evil. It is in the interest of all big corporations, and that includes media, to tell you unions are evil.
Now, being older, I understand unions do a lot for the little guys. This doesn't mean some unions aren't too powerful in their respective fields. Police unions definitely shield the bad apples too much. It's one thing to fight for more benefits which I fully support, but it's another to gain contracts that have become detrimental to society in general. In a more light-hearted instance, the union that governs umpires in baseball is way too powerful. Some umps are egotistical jackasses (Angel Hernandez) who can barely do their job, but the umpire union protects them and they can't even be fired for being shitty. That's unions protecting their members to the detriment of their very industry.
Unions do fight for the benefits of the working class. The missus works a job with a strong multi-state union. If it wasn't a union job, she'd be making maybe 1/2 to a max of 3/5ths of what she makes now. She would have no medical benefits. She would have no increase in vacation time for number of years worked. She would have no sick day benefits. She would have no retirement benefits.
There was actually an incidence of job creep, at first due to some older employees being out, and other situations. Some employees were out sick, and others left the job due to the pandemic and never came back. They're short-handed at work. My wife complained to the manager, but they assured her it was temporary, and would clear up when they hired more workers. So after a few months, she told the union. And her duties were reduced back to what the original job called for. She did try to be understanding and worked through it to give management time to resolve the issue. But when that doesn't work, as it often doesn't, she had a union that helped her fix the issue.
I will post examples when I'm not on my phone out and about.
I strongly support unions and I don't believe public sector unions should be banned. I think their scope of power should be changed, as I said before, to just be able to bargain for wages and benefits, but not in regards to job performance protections. That's where the bad stuff happens
Where did I say I didn't like unions?
It's qualified immunity. No other union gets that.
Let's set this straight. No UNION gets qualified immunity.It's qualified immunity. No other union gets that.
The police... I guess I should have been more verbose and said it's not the union, it's the qualified immunity. LEO should just get liability insurance like doctors. Fuck up too much and you become uninsurable.Let's set this straight. No UNION gets qualified immunity.
The laws have granted that to law enforcement officers, regardless of union or non-union.
It is on the way out, but like the Civil Rights movement it will take time, and several steps forward and a few back.
It is people problem. you will find those people in every line of work.I suspect it's more the people than the union itself. Ask yourself: would more police illegality come to light without the unions? I think they'd close ranks just the same.
"There must be some kind of way out of here"I am on a lot of meds.
I am more terrified of the police then the criminals.
All they have to do is withhold my meds and I go straight to Hell. Daemons and all.
Its time for reform.
The police... I guess I should have been more verbose and said it's not the union, it's the qualified immunity. LEO should just get liability insurance like doctors. Fuck up too much and you become uninsurable.
It looks like the fellow got a settlement out of the deal, just under $53k an hour for his 17 hour ordeal.
Things an asshole would sayIt looks like the fellow got a settlement out of the deal, just under $53k an hour for his 17 hour ordeal.
Disagree. Yes, there's some people who take advantage of it, but the majority don't. They are more useful than harmful IMO.Public sector unions are a cancer.
Taxpayers supposed to be bankrolling the cops torture fetish or maybe they could just do their jobs correctly?
Most do there jobs acceptably, a few need to be canned, and the union needs to be disbanded. That goes for all public unions.Taxpayers supposed to be bankrolling the cops torture fetish or maybe they could just do their jobs correctly?
Most do there jobs acceptably, a few need to be canned, and the union needs to be disbanded. That goes for all public unions.
As I’ve said before the problem with public sector unions isn’t that the average member is bad or whatever, as they aren’t, it’s just that incentives do not align correctly.Disagree. Yes, there's some people who take advantage of it, but the majority don't. They are more useful than harmful IMO.
Some things are not worth any amount of money.It looks like the fellow got a settlement out of the deal, just under $53k an hour for his 17 hour ordeal.
This is the real problem. Most cops do a fine job but you have a small handful who engage in misconduct over and over and over again. The union protects them and the taxpayers pay the price.Taxpayers supposed to be bankrolling the cops torture fetish or maybe they could just do their jobs correctly?
you keep saying that like it means something, and then spout GOP rhetoric about abolishing these public sector unions. This won't happen in a vacuum. You are carrying Ronnie Reagans water here, you don't get that?I’m a big private sector union fan.
I've been in both non-union jobs and pseudo-public sector union jobs. Yeah of course they WANT maximum compensation just like any individual in the private sector would, but that doesn't mean they actually GET that in the collective agreements (just like they wouldn't in the private sector). For example my pseudo-public union's bargaining date came up at the end of 2023. Prior agreement was signed before COVID and all the inflation that came with it. Damned right the union was requesting at least pay increases tied to inflation, but they of course didn't get that. What we got was somewhere in the middle, so in reality with inflation in the last couple of years it was a loss. My mother worked in a public sector union most of her life and it was the same story with her, they didn't get exactly what they wanted, but a compromise. This is in Canada...I'd assume it's a similar story in the US.In the private sector the optimal outcome for a union is the maximum compensation they can get while ensuring the company remains competitive. In the public sector it’s just maximum compensation because as a general rule municipalities don’t go bankrupt, they just raise taxes or cut services, and when they DO go bankrupt it’s a larger catastrophe for people not even involved in the situation.
I’m a big private sector union fan.
I can’t speak to your circumstances and I can’t say if public unions in Canada are the same as the US. I genuinely don’t know - but Germany for example has unions that operate substantially differently than in the US.I've been in both non-union jobs and pseudo-public sector union jobs. Yeah of course they WANT maximum compensation just like any individual in the private sector would, but that doesn't mean they actually GET that in the collective agreements (just like they wouldn't in the private sector). For example my pseudo-public union's bargaining date came up at the end of 2023. Prior agreement was signed before COVID and all the inflation that came with it. Damned right the union was requesting at least pay increases tied to inflation, but they of course didn't get that. What we got was somewhere in the middle, so in reality with inflation in the last couple of years it was a loss. My mother worked in a public sector union most of her life and it was the same story with her, they didn't get exactly what they wanted, but a compromise. This is in Canada...I'd assume it's a similar story in the US.
Have you worked in a public sector union before? I hear your arguments when it comes to police especially but I disagree with you that ALL public unions need to be scrapped.
It does mean something. It means I would disband all public sector unions because I think they are bad and would work to protect private sector unions because I think they are good.you keep saying that like it means something, and then spout GOP rhetoric about abolishing these public sector unions. This won't happen in a vacuum. You are carrying Ronnie Reagans water here, you don't get that?
No matter your pure intentions, it will come across as helping the general union busting line we have heard for many years now.
I want to break up those organizations because they make dealing with people problems in an even remotely timely or reasonable fashion impossible.You are not getting that framing from me.
You want to break up these organizations for people problems. Deal with the people problems.
Go after the problem workers with cause.