Food Pyramid Is Changing

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: vi_edit
http://www.mcles.com/

There you go.

This guy ate McDonald's for a month and ended up losing 17 pounds, and lowered his cholesterol and triglycerides along with it.

How did he do it? Reasonable portion sizes and reasonable exercise.

Very easy to do.

The Supersize Me farce was a lesson in over eating and force feeding, not the dangers of fast food. You could get the same results with your mother's cooking.

In other news, the same idiot who made the Supersize Me trash is now going to make more trash on social and political subjects. :| Like we need more misinformation, huh?

Don't get me started. My wife told me yesterday that he got his own show. Just like you said! YAY! More misinformation being spewed out to the logic devoid obese massess.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower
The first step is to get rid of all junk food and distributors thereof(like some people suggested).

Fascist much?

Generalize much? I agree that people need to take responsibility for what and how much they eat but it's also the fast food companies' fault for not providing a healthy meal alternative to the greasy burgers.

Bullsh!t. Name one nationwide fastfood chain you cannot get a reasonably healthy meal in.

Just one.

ALL have salads, most have grilled chicken and other light choices.

Eating healthy is up to YOU!

BTW, a burger can be VERY healthy. Beef is not evil unless you are predisposed to high cholesterol.

I eat a few burgers a week. My cholesterol is normal, and my body fat is around 15%.

Blaming food for obesity is absurd. Food doesn't make you fat. It's what you DO WITH IT>

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: aves2k

Originally posted by: russianpower
it's also the fast food companies' fault for not providing a healthy meal alternative to the greasy burgers.

The alternative is to not go to a fast food restaurant if you don't want a greasy burger.

Besides, lots of fast food restaurants are starting to head in that direction.

But there is other junk food available in other stores. Not going to fast food places isn't going to solve the problem. The overweight people will find the junk food source somewhere else. The only solution to obesity in America is for obese people themselves to realize they have a problem and then trying to solve it with diet and exercise in moderate amounts.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower
The first step is to get rid of all junk food and distributors thereof(like some people suggested).

Fascist much?

Generalize much? I agree that people need to take responsibility for what and how much they eat but it's also the fast food companies' fault for not providing a healthy meal alternative to the greasy burgers.

Bullsh!t. Name one nationwide fastfood chain you cannot get a reasonably healthy meal in.

Just one.

ALL have salads, most have grilled chicken and other light choices.

Eating healthy is up to YOU!

BTW, a burger can be VERY healthy. Beef is not evil unless you are predisposed to high cholesterol.

I eat a few burgers a week. My cholesterol is normal, and my body fat is around 15%.

Blaming food for obesity is absurd. Food doesn't make you fat. It's what you DO WITH IT>

I eat burgers on occasion too but I don't eat Bburgers from a fast food joint. I use low fat ground beef and I grill them. Also instead of eating them will fries I usually have grilled onions, bell peppers or mushrooms. Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower
The first step is to get rid of all junk food and distributors thereof(like some people suggested).

Fascist much?

Generalize much? I agree that people need to take responsibility for what and how much they eat but it's also the fast food companies' fault for not providing a healthy meal alternative to the greasy burgers.

Bullsh!t. Name one nationwide fastfood chain you cannot get a reasonably healthy meal in.

Just one.

ALL have salads, most have grilled chicken and other light choices.

Eating healthy is up to YOU!

BTW, a burger can be VERY healthy. Beef is not evil unless you are predisposed to high cholesterol.

I eat a few burgers a week. My cholesterol is normal, and my body fat is around 15%.

Blaming food for obesity is absurd. Food doesn't make you fat. It's what you DO WITH IT>

I eat burgers on occasion too but I don't eat Bburgers from a fast food joint. I use low fat ground beef and I grill them. Also instead of eating them will fries I usually have grilled onions, bell peppers or mushrooms. Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

Wendy's has baked potato's.

McD's and Wendy's have a $1 side salad. McD's has a Balsamic Vin. that is <90 Calories for a huge packet of it. Wendy's has light dressing choices as well. You can get the regular hamburger (not the 1/4lb'er) and a salad and a water and be @ ~3xx calories (and <= $4). The problem is we have been trained to think that's not a filling lunch, even though it' s more than enough.

Back to side items, some now have fruit offerings.

Of course 2-3 yrs ago, wasn't quite so many choices but they're responding. Still, up to the consumer to educate themselves and excercise too. Banning fast food (even if that was an option) isn't going to solve anything.

 

[vi edit]

I eat burgers on occasion too but I don't eat Bburgers from a fast food joint. I use low fat ground beef and I grill them. Also instead of eating them will fries I usually have grilled onions, bell peppers or mushrooms. Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

Wendy's has a baked potato, a small chili, or a side or ceasar salad. McDonald's has a side salad, BK has a side salad or small chili.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Yeah fscking Ice Berg Lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage alongside some horrible tasting non fat dressing and stale croutons:disgust:

That said, eating fast food stuff (at burger joints) on rare occasions won't hurt you in the least but it would smarter to dine at a sandwich shop like Subway that actually offers healthy meals.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Every fast food place I know of offers a low fat ranch or honey mustard and a low fat & calorie vinegarette.

It's not the restaurants fault you want to drench a 40 calorie salad in 400 calories of dressing.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Also available with light/lowfat/nonfat dressings. 40 calories on your salad is not going to make you fat.

Again, it's all about what YOU choose to do.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Yeah fscking Ice Berg Lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage alongside some horrible tasting non fat dressing and stale croutons:disgust:

That said, eating fast food stuff (at burger joints) on rare occasions won't hurt you in the least but it would smarter to dine at a sandwich shop like Subway that actually offers healthy meals.

:thumbsup:

Still, to say you cannot find a healthy meal at any fast food joint is pure BS.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Also available with light/lowfat/nonfat dressings. 40 calories on your salad is not going to make you fat.

Again, it's all about what YOU choose to do.

Well sometimes the choices they make aren't particularly healthy. People just don't want to listen. :brokenheart: Kudos however on the lowfat salad dressing.:thumbsup: At least some fast food chains are starting to realise that people want to live to be 50 yrs old.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

I eat burgers on occasion too but I don't eat Bburgers from a fast food joint. I use low fat ground beef and I grill them. Also instead of eating them will fries I usually have grilled onions, bell peppers or mushrooms. Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

Wendy's has a baked potato, a small chili, or a side or ceasar salad. McDonald's has a side salad, BK has a side salad or small chili.

Baked Potato with Butter and Sour Cream (for it to taste good), Ceasar Salad with extremely fattening dressing and Chilli made with fried high fat content beef?

All of that's tasty but I wouldn't consider it health conscience side orders. For somebody that is in good shape, watches what the eat and exercises regularly it won't hurt you but for those that aren't/don't they'd best just avoid those places.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Also available with light/lowfat/nonfat dressings. 40 calories on your salad is not going to make you fat.

Again, it's all about what YOU choose to do.

Well sometimes the choices aren't particularly healthy. People just don't want to listen. T

Like you?

There ARE healthy choices. Do not punish EVERYONE for the irresponsible actions of a few.

And, again, it's is NOT fast food or any food for that matter that has "caused" the obesity epidemic. There is simply no correlation to suggest such a thing.

This is a problem of inactivity and changing lifestyles.

 

[spacejamz]

maybe we need to back to Atari 2600's and Intellivisions as well...with graphics so bad, it'll make kids wanna go play outside...

<-- still has a working 2600

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Yeah fscking Ice Berg Lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage alongside some horrible tasting non fat dressing and stale croutons:disgust:

That said, eating fast food stuff (at burger joints) on rare occasions won't hurt you in the least but it would smarter to dine at a sandwich shop like Subway that actually offers healthy meals.

:thumbsup:

Still, to say you cannot find a healthy meal at any fast food joint is pure BS.

Alright, a good tasting healthy meal! Maybe to some their salads with low fat dressing does taste good but you get someone in there who might not have as strong a will power as somebody who is extremely health conscience and the smell of high fat contnent foods being fried will be overwhelming and too tempting for them to overcome.

I don't believe that people of earlier genenrationsa had more will power than those todays but lifestyles are much different. Back then more people were physically active, especially children, so eating that type of food, even in the quantity that is the norm for today, didn't have as much of negative effect on their health as it does today.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Also available with light/lowfat/nonfat dressings. 40 calories on your salad is not going to make you fat.

Again, it's all about what YOU choose to do.

Well sometimes the choices aren't particularly healthy. People just don't want to listen. T

Like you?

There ARE healthy choices. Do not punish EVERYONE for the irresponsible actions of a few.

And, again, it's is NOT fast food or any food for that matter that has "caused" the obesity epidemic. There is simply no correlation to suggest such a thing.

This is a problem of inactivity and changing lifestyles.

And one needs to compensate ones diet to account for their lifestyle. Not eating at fast food joints would be a good start.

BTW, it's not a few anymore.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Yeah fscking Ice Berg Lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage alongside some horrible tasting non fat dressing and stale croutons:disgust:

That said, eating fast food stuff (at burger joints) on rare occasions won't hurt you in the least but it would smarter to dine at a sandwich shop like Subway that actually offers healthy meals.

:thumbsup:

Still, to say you cannot find a healthy meal at any fast food joint is pure BS.

Alright, a good tasting healthy meal! Maybe to some their salads with low fat dressing does taste good but you get someone in there who might not have as strong a will power as somebody who is extremely health conscience and the smell of high fat contnent foods being fried will be overwhelming and too tempting for them to overcome.

I don't believe that people of earlier genenrationsa had more will power than those todays but lifestyles are much different. Back then more people were physically active, especially children, so eating that type of food, even in the quantity that is the norm for today, didn't have as much of negative effect on their health as it does today.

And that's the kicker. Parents need to do what my brothers and sister did for their kids: Ban or severly limit video games, and encourage them to join in physically active pastimes like sports.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell me of a fast food joint that offers healthy side orders with their burgers?

All of them have salads.

Available with dressing loaded with fat and calories.

Also available with light/lowfat/nonfat dressings. 40 calories on your salad is not going to make you fat.

Again, it's all about what YOU choose to do.

Well sometimes the choices aren't particularly healthy. People just don't want to listen. T

Like you?

There ARE healthy choices. Do not punish EVERYONE for the irresponsible actions of a few.

And, again, it's is NOT fast food or any food for that matter that has "caused" the obesity epidemic. There is simply no correlation to suggest such a thing.

This is a problem of inactivity and changing lifestyles.

And one needs to compensate ones diet to account for their lifestyle. Not eating at fast food joints would be a good start.

BTW, it's not a few anymore.

Sounds like a personal responsibility issue to me.

Please tell me you're not in favor of a fat tax or fast food ban/regulations?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower
The first step is to get rid of all junk food and distributors thereof(like some people suggested).

Fascist much?

Actually it wouldn't hurt if the little tubbies in school had to drink juice or something instead of buckets of coca cola and chocolate bars. Those things are very calorie rich (juice is too, but you don't often see people with "apple juice addictions").

Most school cafeterias feed high calorie, high processed, low value garbage to kids.

You can actually get a healthy meal at any popular fast food joint, from wendy's to mcdonalds, because I've done it countless times. Just don't get the super crappy dressings.

As always it requires somebody to make the conscious effort, and most people don't care/are too ignorant of health to do it, so they get fat on high calorie food. It's the old mantra of leading a horse to water but not making it drink. I've basically given up on hopes for the general population to ever get healthy again unless either somebody comes out with a magical pill or we start a new anti-food dictatorship and ration food or have mandatory treadmill sessions for overweight people or something. Educating people simply doesn't work, because most are too stupid/don't care/like their food too much.

There is probably little we can meaningfully do without the costs outweighing the benefits (like having an anti-food dictatorship ), so we'll just continue on as we do now in coming decades, I'm sure.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: russianpower
The first step is to get rid of all junk food and distributors thereof(like some people suggested).

Fascist much?

Actually it wouldn't hurt if the little tubbies in school had to drink juice or something instead of buckets of coca cola and chocolate bars. Those things are very calorie rich (juice is too, but you don't often see people with "apple juice addictions").

Most school cafeterias feed high calorie, high processed, low value garbage to kids.

You can actually get a healthy meal at any popular fast food joint, from wendy's to mcdonalds, because I've done it countless times. Just don't get the super crappy dressings.

As always it requires somebody to make the conscious effort, and most people don't care/are too ignorant of health to do it, so they get fat on high calorie food. It's the old mantra of leading a horse to water but not making it drink. I've basically given up on hopes for the general population to ever get healthy again unless either somebody comes out with a magical pill or we start a new anti-food dictatorship and ration food or have mandatory treadmill sessions for overweight people or something. Educating people simply doesn't work, because most are too stupid/don't care/like their food too much.

There is probably little we can meaningfully do without the costs outweighing the benefits (like having an anti-food dictatorship ), so we'll just continue on as we do now in coming decades, I'm sure.

I disagree. I think the more we focus on education instead of demonizing foods and glorifying fad diets, the more we'll head this off at the pass.

These is less hope for the already obese. But with education we can stem the tide of obese children and later, obese adults.

People need to realize the danger of sitting on their asses and munching. They need to realize it's no one food at fault. There is no quick fix.

Things have become WORSE as we've followed fad diets. The low fat craze lasted longer than a decade and correlates with the largest rise in obesity in history.

 

[StageLeft]

People need to realize the danger of sitting on their asses and munching. They need to realize it's no one food at fault. There is no quick fix.

Things have become WORSE as we've followed fad diets. The low fat craze lasted longer than a decade and correlates with the largest rise in obesity in history.

I think that deep down people do know how to lose weight. It's very simple, but people consider it too hard, and that's why they resort to fad diets. There is so much misinformation that a lot of people are totally clueless now, but it doesn't change the fact that many just are not interested in doing it properly. I really think there is no hope for the average person, because they are slaves to their hunger and inactivity. The internet and tv are not going anywhere, and neither is junk food. The only hope is to give them a pill.

 

[GoatHerderEd]

Originally posted by: aircooled
cause kids keep getting fatter

[SING] GOD BLESS AMERICAN, LAND OF THE...[/SING] FAT!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GoatHerderEd

Originally posted by: aircooled
cause kids keep getting fatter

[SING] GOD BLESS AMERICAN, LAND OF THE...[/SING] FAT!

Much of Europe is dealing with it's own explosion in obesity rates.