Food stamp use is on rise across U.S.

[Steeplerot]

Rent Control:
Say you live in a area with a finite amount of land. TX is not a godo example think of a island. Just becasue the landlord CAN get super high rent this year becasue everyone wants to move there doesen't mean he should. People move in and out of cities, some even are in "fashion" for awhile. (Dot com boom in San Francisco is a good example.
Toss out the tenants who have been there 20 year in their home and the neighborhood goes to sh1t fast. Everybody loses and the landlord loses in the long run even though he did make a short term killing in jacking up tenants rent.
Another example of how capitalism needs SOME safeguards to protect long term interests. (And peoples neighborhoods!)
Rent control does scale every year here.
The landlord can ask to up rent based on inflation and a few other things. But it does tend to favor long term tenants having lower then market rents.
That is a good thing for familys IMO.
who would want to raise a family having to move to a crappier neighborhood every year to afford rent.

As far as the 1/10 rent stuff.
The only people that pay a pittance of market value rent is someone who has had their place for 20+ years.
That is their home. people in cities do not "buy" land and build a house. Comparing a area with that much space is obviously foolish. A regular sized town is urban sprawl anyhow. no need for rent controls.
Once a city fills out the landmass available this is the way it is.

Besides people moving in and out of apartments with market fluctuations is hard on a house.
The landlord has more hassles with new tenants and maintance costs in the end besides lack of a sense of community in the area.
-Coming from someone who currently is under a rent-contolled lease and would not even think of renting from a landlord without control here. you'd have to be crazy or just visiting.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Rent Control:
Say you live in a area with a finite amount of land. TX is not a godo example think of a island. Just becasue the landlord CAN get super high rent this year becasue everyone wants to move there doesen't mean he should. People move in and out of cities, some even are in "fashion" for awhile. (Dot com boom in San Francisco is a good example.
Toss out the tenants who have been there 20 year in their home and the neighborhood goes to sh1t fast. Everybody loses and the landlord loses in the long run even though he did make a short term killing in jacking up tenants rent.
Another example of how capitalism needs SOME safeguards to protect long term interests. (And peoples neighborhoods!)
Rent control does scale every year here.
The landlord can ask to up rent based on inflation and a few other things. But it does tend to favor long term tenants having lower then market rents.
That is a good thing for familys IMO.
who would want to raise a family having to move to a crappier neighborhood every year to afford rent.

As far as the 1/10 rent stuff.
The only people that pay a pittance of market value rent is someone who has had their place for 20+ years.
That is their home. people in cities do not "buy" land and build a house. Comparing a area with that much space is obviously foolish. A regular sized town is urban sprawl anyhow. no need for rent controls.
Once a city fills out the landmass available this is the way it is.

Besides people moving in and out of apartments with market fluctuations is hard on a house.
The landlord has more hassles with new tenants and maintance costs in the end besides lack of a sense of community in the area.
-Coming from someone who currently is under a rent-contolled lease and would not even think of renting from a landlord without control here. you'd have to be crazy or just visiting.

Rent control is why rents are so expensive....

 

[piasabird]

Within 20 years social security will fail unless we change it.

 

[ReiAyanami]

it would remain expensive whether or not rent is controlled. or do you expect rents to fall in NYC if rent were not controlled? will the developers build a new island?

no landlord is gonna "pass the savings" onto common people. they pocket it and kick out grandma

 

[Centinel]

Originally posted by: Centinel
You think rent in high population density urban areas is because people "make more"?

Are you even considering the fact that land prices are astronomically high there due to the complete lack of it?

Maybe that has something to do with it?

*cough*

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
it would remain expensive whether or not rent is controlled. or do you expect rents to fall in NYC if rent were not controlled? will the developers build a new island?

no landlord is gonna "pass the savings" onto common people. they pocket it and kick out grandma

Rents would go up. People would move to lower rent areas. Rents would go back down.....

Rent controls do not affect supply, how they do keep demand high. This is not a situation that developers want to be involved with.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Centinel

Originally posted by: Centinel
You think rent in high population density urban areas is because people "make more"?

Are you even considering the fact that land prices are astronomically high there due to the complete lack of it?

Maybe that has something to do with it?

*cough*

This is completely irrelevant. That is why no one has replied to it. Wages are generally paid according to the cost of living - this is why garbage men make $20+/hr in N.Y.C while a call center tech makes $8 an hour in Kentucky and Appalachia.

It just so happens that more educated people flock to cities since they tend to operate service industry jobs, banking, law, business and development. These wages pay more. Urban areas also are predominately blue. Look at a county-by-county map overlaid with major cities - BLUE.

Blue = higher wages, higher education, more wealth - as a general rule

 

[Centinel]

And where do the majority of those people live beer?

You ever heard of commuting? You know, work in the city, live in the suburbs? Funny how just about every major suburb of most major cities, EVEN THE BLUE STATES, were republican.

The "educated" jobs you are speaking of do not vary that much by location in terms of salary.

 

[episodic]

There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

:thumbsup:

When I worked at Kroger in 91, I actually had to checkout a lady and her husband (and 6 kids). They had 4 buggies loaded to the top. The total was over $600 and was paid for with foodstamps (minus a few dollars for items not covered). I almost shtz on myself. That was the same year that I was denied financial aid for school because my wife and I earned a whopping $15,000 the previous year, which was over the limit for Pell and state grants. :Q If my wife hadn't been pregnant, which resulted in a re-evaluation, I might not have had the money to finish school (only needed one semester to finish).


Speaking of Pell grants, I saw where the government was cutting the program this year and that about 90,000 would be eliminated. I'm generally not for a big socialist government (I'm actually very conservative when it comes to the money side of goverment), I would say cutting the educational funds for higher education is not the way to go. With a shifting economy and jobs leaving the country, higher education is more needed now than ever before. I would rather see Iraq rebuild their own fvcking selves than to cut the money from the higher education funding.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Rent control is why rents are so expensive....

? That makes no sense at all how do you come to this conclusion?
I could be easily be paying 2k a month for our largish studio apt.
I have a ok landlord who cares about his tenants AND rent control works for both of us. (see above paragraphs if you didn't read Char.)
The reason rent control has been around since inbetween the ww's is our cities have grown to the ends of land. Of course you have to protect the residents rental values. A house here is many houses in one not everyone can own there own house in a city, or build one. This isn't the burbs where you can just tear down a farm or drain a swamp or something. Heck you can't build a shack in your backyard without the city on your ass about sesmic codes. Goverment regulation and safeguards are nessasary on many levels IMO.
I would rather spend money to help my fellow person to make sure noone starves then to be selfish and worry what greedy twats are taking from me.

Back OT:
Life is not always rosy for everyone all the time, some people need help sometimes, good people working hard, making it through whatever life dishes out on them or they have unfortunatly do to themselves. I support things like stamps for them all of them. Not for myself.
I know that with everything good there is a downside but I am still willing to try my best for others.


I see with my own eyes when I wander around downtown the homebums taking their checks and buying crack,smack etc etc.
They are burning what little they have available to them up. They are hurting themselves.
They are kinda hurting me by wasting taxmoney but I also see the familys hungry dirty getting food.
I know plenty of familys that use their stamps to keep a lot of kids fed. Foster homes that really stretch their foodstamp buck.
Sure a working poor family can afford ramen and crap nowdays but why not kick in a bit and make sure there are veggies for our fellow americans down and out... It's cold here so I'm typing to keep warm now I'll spare ppl. *goes to prime radiator*

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

 

[Scorpius]

what do you expect...with a wooden president at the helm....

what a moron, thsi bush is....

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

No shame in it. Stay healthy folks. Like I said earlier I know what it's like to eat ramen when your trying to pay bills. Don't get yourself sick, It won't help. You pay taxes as a american -those stamps are yours if you need them too It's not like the dude getting steak is eating all of it. This country wastes soooo much food. F what anyone says.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Scorpius
what do you expect...with a wooden president at the helm....

what a moron, thsi bush is....

While I agree that Bush is a moron, I don't think foodstamps is his fault. The program has been raped for years....and rapeing the taxpayer for just as long. Seems like a good idea in general, but too easy to take advantage of (i.e. too easy to get).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

No shame in it. Stay healthy folks. Like I said earlier I know what it's like to eat ramen when your trying to pay bills. Don't get yourself sick, It won't help. You pay taxes as a american -those stamps are yours if you need them too It's not like the dude getting steak is eating all of it. This country wastes soooo much food. F what anyone says.

No doubt about that. I used to work as a banquet server in college and at the end of day we'd throw away literally tons of lobster, new york steaks, fresh steamed vegetables, fine deserts etc etc etc


Get this, they (LA convention center and hotel vendors whom we worked for) were sued for giving away food to food banks..so in order to avoid litgation we had to toss it.

You never seen so much beautiful food go to waste. We're talking $200-350 per placing meals here.

 

[Steeplerot]

That's what doggie bags and big pockets are for

 

[Zebo]

No comment. Though, I developed a taste for $60 a bottle scotchs during that job I still can't shake.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

You have to literally be making next to nothing (and/or have four or five kids) to get anything even resembling reasonable.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

No shame in it. Stay healthy folks. Like I said earlier I know what it's like to eat ramen when your trying to pay bills. Don't get yourself sick, It won't help. You pay taxes as a american -those stamps are yours if you need them too It's not like the dude getting steak is eating all of it. This country wastes soooo much food. F what anyone says.

No doubt about that. I used to work as a banquet server in college and at the end of day we'd throw away literally tons of lobster, new york steaks, fresh steamed vegetables, fine deserts etc etc etc


Get this, they (LA convention center and hotel vendors whom we worked for) were sued for giving away food to food banks..so in order to avoid litgation we had to toss it.

You never seen so much beautiful food go to waste. We're talking $200-350 per placing meals here.

WE could giv3 the food going to waste to the people that are going hungry everyday instead of just throwing it in the garbage.
Americans like to waste stuff they dodn't even need. I bet that all the stuff they threw out over the years would be enough to satisfy all the poor/hungry people on the planet three times. That's how bad our waste/food management situation is.
The people throw out good, still fresh bread that has expired yesterday into the dumpster,for god's sakes.
:disgust::Q:brokenheart::shocked::thumbsdown:

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm continuously irritated by my fellow Dems who describe Bush as a moron. He's not, and those pulling his strings definitely are not. They're not morons, at all, they just have a whole different take on reality, and the ability to exploit emotional and irrational discontinuities in the popular American mythos.

They've very successfully exploited red state voters with "God, guns and gays", "Honor and Dignity", "Values", "Morals", and, most importantly fears about economic distress and the greatest boogeyman of all, "Terrar!"

While promoting and accelerating the concentration of wealth and power into the hands of a very, very few, they've rather cleverly allowed their voter base certain low-level benefits, like food stamps. Without such programs, folks would be a whole lot more likely to wake up, and that wouldn't be good for the Right, not at all. Plenty of time down the road to pull that choker collar up tight, make 'em heel...

Nor do I see the transfer of federal funds from blue to red states as necessarily bad. We all need the infrastructure for commerce, and we all benefit from better education. Farm subsidies, if currently overblown and misdirected, are also in everybody's interest- they promote stable food prices.

I just wish that red staters would realize that their lifestyles and affluence depend in no small part on the beneficience and tolerance of their blue neighbors... and that if we're all to prosper in these changing times that we have to be able to compromise, to grant others some respect.

A single glance at the Bush admin reveals that's not happening anytime RSN- they're fostering a climate of fear and division, leading "conservatives" into thought and action patterns detrimental to their own longterm interests...

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: cougarls88

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: episodic
There is rampant abuse of food stamps. My wife is an office worker at a grocery store. Ppl come in constantly buying t-bones, candy, etc. . . using stamps - we scrape buy on hamburger. . .

I'm not blatently saying that all ppl getting stamps abuse it - just that abuse is rampant. They need to restrict it to certain things. You should not be able to go in and get t-bones and 10 dollar a lb shrimp on it when working folks scrape buy to buy eggs and milk.

You guys should check this out. I be a lot of you can qualify and don't even know it.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/

You have to literally be making next to nothing (and/or have four or five kids) to get anything even resembling reasonable.

It takes too much effort to have benefits from the government. Its easier for us to pay taxes then for them give to the poor or less fortunate people who really need it.

You really have to beg for it, it's disgraceful. It makes the government look good taking care of the desperate people.. they are nothing more then thieves taking money from the hard working class and distribute a little of it to the lazy, and keeping most of it to themselves. Some people who would benefit from it but do not qualify for food stamps unless you make next to nothing or unemployed.

Nothing more then a scam to feed jobless people of America. Without this program, their would be so many people desperate for a job!
The people that worked hard, cannot earn more by working more. The more you make, the more you pay taxes.

Our government are super rich, more rich then Bill Gates. Some people think it is a good thing! I do not.
Its not right to leech off others hard earned money.
If you can't beat them, why not join them?
By being lazy I am taking advantage of the government, hope they can put me in a wheel chair as well and feed me for life!!!

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: Centinel
Welfare programs are funded by the states, not the national government.

Only social security and medicare are national programs.

Your arguments are invalid unless specifically refering to Social Security or Medicare.

You don't know crap about the system. Anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt. The Fedearal government funds damn near every welfare program and mandates states to dispurse the funds. Food stamps programs are a part of the Department of Agriculture budget. That is Federal. By the way, the fedaral government alspo dtermines how welfare is dispursed, be it child care for single parents and the dis enfranchised, adoption services, recovery of child support from dead beat fathers(or mothers if that is the case), eductation and training funds to get people the skills to become productive tax paying citizens.

So, it is you has the invalid argument. I work for the system that dispurses these benifits. Anytime you want to argue the benifit of these programs or lack of as you may see it, just jump on in. I'll eat your lunch!!:laugh: