Food stamps are not only unethical, they're also a really stupid idea.

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CallMeJoe

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Don't people already drive around town to get their food? My solution of mailing food to people is the only one that doesn't require an extensive food distribution network because it is based off of the existing USPS network and it doesn't require the end consumer to drive anywhere at all.
How do you fit a full day's rations into an apartment mailbox?
 

TanisHalfElven

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How much did he spend driving all around town?

that.
And if everyone did that (his "money making schemes") then stores should shut those down so fast.

now if he'd done a real challenge, where he bought items at retail, it would have been a lot more interesting.
 

WHAMPOM

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Same goes for Medicare, HUD, WIC, educational vouchers, and regulations.

They drive up the price of the things they buy because they shrink the supply. It shouldn't be a coincidence that food prices have sky rocketed while a record number of Americans are on food stamps.

Why haven't I ever heard a welfare statist say they should be repealed and replaced with money? Is it because the general welfare and the state are incompatible or what?

I think all redistribution by government is bad, but redistributing dollars (better yet, gold so that there would be much less inflation which causes all sorts of problems) would require less waste (especially if it was done with gold) and those who can't help themselves would get to choose.

There is so much waste with food stamps it's ridiculous.

It's the same thing with how people used to have 5 year mortgages at 6% interest. Then FDR came along with the fascist FHA. Then to add insult to injury, there was the Great Society so that resulted in... the housing market we have today. The market will always find around integration imposed by the government anyway so don't tell me that the CRA was good legislation.

I realize there are disadvantages to giving people money compared to vouchers, but how do those advantages outweigh the costs?

Been there, done that, Soviet system worked good fr'them Ruussians di'nt it?

You sure it was'nt high food prices leading to increaesd food stamp(food share)use. Do you also discount the last twenty years of stagnant wages and job loss?
 

CallMeJoe

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It could be left at the doorstep instead, just like USPS priority mail packages.
I can just picture an immense daily pile of food packages on the stoop of every apartment building... or are you imagining a postal worker delivering to each individual apartment doorway?
 
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I can just picture an immense daily pile of food packages on the stoop of every apartment building... or are you imagining a postal worker delivering to each individual apartment doorway?

I'm just exploring the idea since people seem to be against food stamps and someone made a false claim about requiring an expensive food distribution network.

Maybe even the food could be at the local post office and people can go pick it up there. In this way, people still drive, but they wouldn't be driving all around town, just over to their local post office.
 

JSt0rm

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Is this really the major problem facing our country?

I bet the food stamp portion of our budget is very tiny AND has a direct positive impact on the economy as it is money flowing thru the system.
 

fskimospy

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I'm just exploring the idea since people seem to be against food stamps and someone made a false claim about requiring an expensive food distribution network.

Maybe even the food could be at the local post office and people can go pick it up there. In this way, people still drive, but they wouldn't be driving all around town, just over to their local post office.

There are approximately 46 million people receiving food assistance of some sort. Not only would delivering boxes of food create difficulties in differentiating families with different needs, but it would require a gigantic logistical effort.

The USPS delivers ~200 billion pieces of mail annually, but it does not differentiate between letters and packages. I believe it is safe to assume that the large majority of deliveries are letters. With 365 daily deliveries of food through the USPS we would be shipping an extra 16.5 billion, relatively heavy packages through the system each year. This will create an enormous extra burden on the USPS, requiring significant investments in new facilities, extra postal workers, and extra equipment.

Not to mention we have to deal with what happens if a package is lost (family goes hungry?), what to do about people with food allergies, etc, etc. This is an absolutely terrible idea.
 

Patranus

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Is this really the major problem facing our country?

I bet the food stamp portion of our budget is very tiny AND has a direct positive impact on the economy as it is money flowing thru the system.

Yes. It is a major problem even if it isn't a big part of the budget.
 

Capt Caveman

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The funny thing is without his parents, the OP would be needing all of these services, right now. Eventually, he will...
 

Patranus

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The funny thing is without his parents, the OP would be needing all of these services, right now. Eventually, he will...

I disagree.
The way it was and should be is that families take care of their own.
Government needs to put more pressure on extended families instead of the taxpayer.
 

JSt0rm

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Because it reenforces the entitlement mentality and puts responsibility of the taxpayer instead of the individual.

so because of your ideology you want there to be no safety net?

good luck with that. I think of 1000 other things I would rather do on my Saturday then debate that crap.
 

CallMeJoe

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Remember also that any significant changes in the food stamp program will face massive resistance from the agriculture lobby. There's a reason the program is run by the USDA rather than HHS; it's as much an indirect farm subsidy program as a welfare program.
 

Patranus

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so because of your ideology you want there to be no safety net?

good luck with that. I think of 1000 other things I would rather do on my Saturday then debate that crap.

Where did I say that?

Like I said, food stamps shouldn't be used to buy luxury items.
There are various ways to eliminate that but that doesn't meant that the safety net (a net to catch you, not support you forever) should be eliminated.
 

ky54

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Is there any actual statistics of wide-spread food stamp abuse?



That would require supermarkets to re-organize their stores which are currently designed to maximize profits, and it would involve outing people who get assistance.

If you're really going to micromanage what people buy, it would make more sense to have a card that only goes to pay for certain purchased items.
Actually what I was thinking of was more like what you're saying about the card being able to purchase only certain items but that again leads to more burden on the store. Without some way to organize or sticker the food then it could result in chaos at the checkout.
 
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There are approximately 46 million people receiving food assistance of some sort. Not only would delivering boxes of food create difficulties in differentiating families with different needs, but it would require a gigantic logistical effort.

The USPS delivers ~200 billion pieces of mail annually, but it does not differentiate between letters and packages. I believe it is safe to assume that the large majority of deliveries are letters. With 365 daily deliveries of food through the USPS we would be shipping an extra 16.5 billion, relatively heavy packages through the system each year. This will create an enormous extra burden on the USPS, requiring significant investments in new facilities, extra postal workers, and extra equipment.

Not to mention we have to deal with what happens if a package is lost (family goes hungry?), what to do about people with food allergies, etc, etc. This is an absolutely terrible idea.

I don't think that it would be a 'gigantic logistical effort' in the sense that it would require additional gigantic effort. We already have the existing USPS system. Just scale it up and it could easily handle the delivery of food. Moreover, you wouldn't have to deliver food on a daily basis, it could be 3 times a week, thus reducing the number to well below 16.5 billion.

There are negatives for every system, but I don't think that there are any additional negatives here than any other system.
 

Patranus

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Actually what I was thinking of was more like what you're saying about the card being able to purchase only certain items but that again leads to more burden on the store. Without some way to organize or sticker the food then it could result in chaos at the checkout.

They already have a system in place that doesn't allow the purchase of some items like liquor on foodstamps. Its all digital. Really is minimal costs and is more than made up by the store being able to take foodstamps.

Doesn't cause issues now. When people apply their EBT, a certain amount is deducted from the total price and they are expected to pay for the rest. What we are discussing is expanding what isn't covered so that EBT only covers the necessities not luxury items like chips, cookies, pre made food like rotisserie chicken, frozen dinners, candy, soda, ect.
 

Infohawk

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There are approximately 46 million people receiving food assistance of some sort. Not only would delivering boxes of food create difficulties in differentiating families with different needs, but it would require a gigantic logistical effort.

The USPS delivers ~200 billion pieces of mail annually, but it does not differentiate between letters and packages. I believe it is safe to assume that the large majority of deliveries are letters. With 365 daily deliveries of food through the USPS we would be shipping an extra 16.5 billion, relatively heavy packages through the system each year. This will create an enormous extra burden on the USPS, requiring significant investments in new facilities, extra postal workers, and extra equipment.

Not to mention we have to deal with what happens if a package is lost (family goes hungry?), what to do about people with food allergies, etc, etc. This is an absolutely terrible idea.

Exactly. It's a terrible idea. Also, the USPS does not have the infrastructure to deal with perishables.
 
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Exactly. It's a terrible idea. Also, the USPS does not have the infrastructure to deal with perishables.

Do you have proof of this? What is your evidence? Because the USPS will deliver perishables:

http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c5_001.htm

So how can the USPS not have the infrastructure to deal with perishables when it appears that they already deliver perishable food items?
 
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Throckmorton

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Instead of food stamps, which allow people to survive on less than a living wage, we should arm every mentally stable individual. Then, if someone is paid less than needed to survive, he will survive by any means necessary. That would be a true free market.
 

JSt0rm

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Instead of food stamps, which allow people to survive on less than a living wage, we should arm every mentally stable individual. Then, if someone is paid less than needed to survive, he will survive by any means necessary. That would be a true free market.

No. They can buy cream cheese for $1 that they got from their extended family.

STUPID people.
 
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