Food stamps for KFC and tacobell ?

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ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Yes I know this. I said processed grains, which are quite different. Veggies are good for you, they help clean your intestines. Eating tons of flour and corn is terrible for you though and that's what we've been pushing for years.

Corn mostly passes through you. This is why you can see corn in your shit after eating corn on the cob.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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Division of labor is a fundamental aspect of the capitalist economy. Is it a luxury to be able to buy food at a supermarket? Maybe we should make them cultivate their own seeds from the wild for their own back yard so we don't make it too easy on them.

In any case, it seems like its frequently cheaper (which makes sense because of specialization / division of labor) to buy food at a fast food place then to buy all the ingredients, some of which will go bad before you consume all of it.

it's not. do you know how many french fries i can make for 10 bucks? a metric fuck ton more than I can buy at any fast food place. potatoes are cheap as fuck. you can buy 1/4 patties pre-fabbed for less than a dollar a patty and they ain't any worse than mcdonalds either. Buns can be had 12 for a buck. I can make a much better mini meal for myself than McDonalds can for roughly the same price, I pay for the luxury of having someone else do it for me.

It would be CHEAPER in the grand scheme of things to give people food and teach them to cook for themselves. We'd be teaching them a very crucial skill in which they could then turn around, if good enough, make money off by having their own little restaurant. Or not because cost of entering business due to regulations is so high. lols @ regulations.


Corn mostly passes through you. This is why you can see corn in your shit after eating corn on the cob.

All you take from it are sugars. Corn is nutritionally horrible for Humans, yet we force it on people in this country. Corn is fucking terrible and should be eaten very sparingly.
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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In any case, it seems like its frequently cheaper (which makes sense because of specialization / division of labor) to buy food at a fast food place then to buy all the ingredients, some of which will go bad before you consume all of it.

If you eat bullshit sure. You can get a $1 "burger", and $1 fries at McDonalds, for two bucks you can buy way more ground beef, and for a couple more bucks some buns, and make a burger that is not only better, but better for you.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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If you eat bullshit sure. You can get a $1 "burger", and $1 fries at McDonalds, for two bucks you can buy way more ground beef, and for a couple more bucks some buns, and make a burger that is not only better, but better for you.

ground beef is a little bit more at the store, but it's generally a slightly higher quality. if you buy the lower quality patties, which are more along the lines of what McDonalds sells, they're roughly the same price for more meat.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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It would be CHEAPER in the grand scheme of things to give people food and teach them to cook for themselves.

So is it cheaper if we all go back to being farmers and cultivate our own food and sew our own clothes? Of course not. Again, society is wealthier because we divide labor and specialize. And I don't see why you stop at cooking your own food when every other part of the process relies on other people too.

Anyway, it's hard for me to get bent out of shape about people eating at Taco Bell. It's cheap crap food.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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So is it cheaper if we all go back to being farmers and cultivate our own food and sew our own clothes? Of course not. Again, society is wealthier because we divide labor and specialize. And I don't see why you stop at cooking your own food when every other part of the process relies on other people too.

Anyway, it's hard for me to get bent out of shape about people eating at Taco Bell. It's cheap crap food.

Infohawk, if you're going to do everything for someone, they're no better than children or pets. Is this how you view them? As helpless children? People need to be driven to do something, without it they just wallow around and get restless. Cheap crap food, same reason people bitch about smokers with universal health care huh? Oh pay for their healthcare, no why should I? they make poor decisions. They can't even make the right choices when given the ability to make them FOR FREE. Please, teaching people to cook their own food, to do things for themselves will drive them to be more independent and try to do MORE FOR THEMSELVES.

If it costs exactly the same amount to give these people food and teach them to cook it vs paying for them to get other people to do it for them, we absolutely should make them help themselves. Your argument against it doesn't make any logical sense, unless you think of these people as lesser beings compared to yourself. You know like I said you would view a child.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Yes I know this. I said processed grains, which are quite different. Veggies are good for you, they help clean your intestines. Eating tons of flour and corn is terrible for you though and that's what we've been pushing for years.

And who has been pushing grains, primarily corn?

Damn free market!

Oh wait, it's the government.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Infohawk, if you're going to do everything for someone, they're no better than children or pets. Is this how you view them? As helpless children? People need to be driven to do something, without it they just wallow around and get restless. Cheap crap food, same reason people bitch about smokers with universal health care huh? Oh pay for their healthcare, no why should I? they make poor decisions. They can't even make the right choices when given the ability to make them FOR FREE. Please, teaching people to cook their own food, to do things for themselves will drive them to be more independent and try to do MORE FOR THEMSELVES.

If it costs exactly the same amount to give these people food and teach them to cook it vs paying for them to get other people to do it for them, we absolutely should make them help themselves. Your argument against it doesn't make any logical sense, unless you think of these people as lesser beings compared to yourself. You know like I said you would view a child.

Does someone else making your automobile make you less of a person? Does someone making your clothes for you making you're not free? It sounds like you think they would be better off if they were sent into our national forests to survive on their own...
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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I get upset about this because when I was 10 years old I remember getting scolded because I bought a ten cent piece of candy with money my mother gave me to buy a loaf of bread. She gave me $5 and told me to return with the change and when she saw that I spent money on candy she got mad. I didn't understand what was going on at the time but that $5 was the last bit of money we had and that 10 cents I spent really counted. We didn't qualify for food stamps because my parents were in a divorce and at the time the laws were different. I watched other families trade food stamps for cash or buy steaks and sell them for money. This was when food stamps were printed on paper like money, easily traded. The program hasn't improved since then and it needs to go, not be increased to even more abuse.

Feeding people is fine, do it like WIC. If someone is homeless and chooses that life then that is totally different from someone who is homeless and wants help. I would be all for government run soup kitchens in areas that have people in need of food. I am not against feeding people that are hungry, I do it every month, from handouts of food to shelters to handing out food to people begging out in front of stores. I am against this needless waste of resources when other option exist.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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Does someone else making your automobile make you less of a person? Does someone making your clothes for you making you're not free? It sounds like you think they would be better off if they were sent into our national forests to survive on their own...

If I had the means to make my own I would, I don't. Feeding yourself is a CRUCIAL NECESSITY. The bare minimum of which is food preparation. Finding/killing/growing your own food is the step before that which we've killed the necessity of due to advancements in farming. Clothes, cars, aren't necessities. Cooking your own food is cheaper and healthier than buying cheap fast food. This reduces costs on society and allows us to offer more in terms of social benefits, but fuck that noise. Poor people need their luxuries! PS, when I can't afford to eat out. I don't.

You guys make no sense, your logic is incredibly flawed and it's annoying as fuck. I am a supporter of intelligent social services. I don't think anyone should go hungry in the USA, the fact that people do straight blows my mind. We don't need to keep pushing people lower and lower into stupidity. You guys don't want 3rd world wages, but you're sure ok with turning people into 3rd worlders.

Also, BF I know those things. I don't know why you're so hostile towards me when we generally hold more common ground on these topics.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Also, BF I know those things. I don't know why you're so hostile towards me when we generally hold more common ground on these topics.

Sorry, not trying to sound hostile towards you, I'm being rhetorical in response to your posts, not necessarily directing them at you.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Yum brands has been trying this for a long time, nothing new. But I did notice that the food stamp president is living up to his name...

So Obama was President in 2005?

from the article (that you so conveniently left out)....

Between 2005 and 2010

Now that's out of the way, time to put the clamps down on welfare and food stamps. Basic staples pre-picked (ala Wic style) is all that should be given (if even that).
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Also, BF I know those things. I don't know why you're so hostile towards me when we generally hold more common ground on these topics.
Even people with polar-opposite viewpoints should not be hostile to each other.
 

BarneyFife

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Aug 12, 2001
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If you eat bullshit sure. You can get a $1 "burger", and $1 fries at McDonalds, for two bucks you can buy way more ground beef, and for a couple more bucks some buns, and make a burger that is not only better, but better for you.

Well if it comes down to money, its impossible to beat the $5 hot and ready or the $1 double cheeseburger. For example

1 lb hamburger 2.00 (generally its more expensive but we'll get the cheap stuff for this example)

Hamburger buns 1.50
Ketchup 1.50
Onions 1.00
Cheese $3.00
Plus the cost of electricity or gas for the oven, water/soap to clean the dishes and the pan.

Or you can get 4 double cheeseburgers for $4 and you're done with it.

The $5 hot and ready there is no way you can replicate that for $5.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
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Well if it comes down to money, its impossible to beat the $5 hot and ready or the $1 double cheeseburger. For example

1 lb hamburger 2.00 (generally its more expensive but we'll get the cheap stuff for this example)

Hamburger buns 1.50
Ketchup 1.50
Onions 1.00
Cheese $3.00
Plus the cost of electricity or gas for the oven, water/soap to clean the dishes and the pan.

Or you can get 4 double cheeseburgers for $4 and you're done with it.

The $5 hot and ready there is no way you can replicate that for $5.

Those are both good deals.

I've worked it out. I think can at least tie the $1 double cheeseburger by prepping myself with careful shopping. They use only 3 oz patties, and you don't use all the cheese, ketchup, onion or buns like your above example seems to imply.

Don't have a pizza oven, never tried that one. But I did own 50% of a (franchise) pizza place once. Food costs for pizza's averages about 17-18%. So, even if you get the pizza at 1/2 price food costs itself is still less 40% of the price you pay.

I suspect the dollar menu stuff is mostly loss-leaders, hoping you'll buy a drink etc too. I don't think they get much above food costs on that stuff.

Fern
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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I get upset about this because when I was 10 years old I remember getting scolded because I bought a ten cent piece of candy with money my mother gave me to buy a loaf of bread. She gave me $5 and told me to return with the change and when she saw that I spent money on candy she got mad. I didn't understand what was going on at the time but that $5 was the last bit of money we had and that 10 cents I spent really counted. We didn't qualify for food stamps because my parents were in a divorce and at the time the laws were different. I watched other families trade food stamps for cash or buy steaks and sell them for money. This was when food stamps were printed on paper like money, easily traded. The program hasn't improved since then and it needs to go, not be increased to even more abuse.

Feeding people is fine, do it like WIC. If someone is homeless and chooses that life then that is totally different from someone who is homeless and wants help. I would be all for government run soup kitchens in areas that have people in need of food. I am not against feeding people that are hungry, I do it every month, from handouts of food to shelters to handing out food to people begging out in front of stores. I am against this needless waste of resources when other option exist.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of making all food stamps work like WIC, targeted to certain healthy foods and necessaries like toilet paper. There would need to be some method of handling people who have no cooking facilities though, and some method of teaching cooking skills to people who have none.
 

drebo

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
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Well if it comes down to money, its impossible to beat the $5 hot and ready or the $1 double cheeseburger. For example

1 lb hamburger 2.00 (generally its more expensive but we'll get the cheap stuff for this example)

Hamburger buns 1.50
Ketchup 1.50
Onions 1.00
Cheese $3.00
Plus the cost of electricity or gas for the oven, water/soap to clean the dishes and the pan.

Or you can get 4 double cheeseburgers for $4 and you're done with it.

The $5 hot and ready there is no way you can replicate that for $5.

I don't think anyone from any side will ever advocate poor people eating nothing but double cheese burgers and pepperoni pizza.

That said, I showed above how you can make a 4-serving tuna noodle casserole for under $4.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Well if it comes down to money, its impossible to beat the $5 hot and ready or the $1 double cheeseburger. For example

1 lb hamburger 2.00 (generally its more expensive but we'll get the cheap stuff for this example)

Hamburger buns 1.50
Ketchup 1.50
Onions 1.00
Cheese $3.00
Plus the cost of electricity or gas for the oven, water/soap to clean the dishes and the pan.

Or you can get 4 double cheeseburgers for $4 and you're done with it.

Wait, so you're honestly going to try to compare those ingredients to 4 McDonalds burgers? The ingredients listed here will make the equivalent of 8 McDonald's cheeseburgers. And you'll still have leftover onions, cheese and ketchup. So just go get yourself another $3.50 worth of meat and buns and you can make another 8 burgers. So you can make 8 burgers for $9. Or for $12.50 you can make 16. There, it's cheaper than McDonalds.

And you're adding in the cost of cooking and cleanup? Oh no, $0.10 for electricity and soap! Did you add in the cost of gas to drive to McDonalds? I bet it's more than $0.10.

Intellectually dishonest to the end. Typical Democrat.
 

Veevester

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This pisses me off...

My parents have owned the same convenience store since 1986. I've worked there since I was a kid, and still work one day a week so my folks can have a day off. When they bought it, it had a nice deli. Dad cut steaks, ground beef, had pork chops, chicken, and deli slicer, sold homemade sausages, a little of everything, nice neighborhood store. He has always accepted food stamps. Eventually he had to close the deli, the neighborhood changed, and the products people were buying with their food stamps changed. He still stocks pre-packaged deli-meats, ham steaks, shredded & block cheeses, eggs, veggies, so he can have some decent things for the few people who are on food stamps that still care enough to eat well.

I worked this past Labor Day, it was the 5th, which is food stamp day.

Here's what I saw...one woman came in a bought a 30 pack of coke & 3 big bags of chips. Another woman, bought 4 1L pepsi's @ 1.69, plus a couple 24 oz sodas. She could buy 2 2L for $3, no consideration for smart shopping. All in all, she spent over $30 on strictly junk food. Another person comes in and buys 4 frozen breakfasts for their kids....all day long, for 70% of the food stamp shoppers it is like this, chips, soda, frozen foods, little debbie snacks, candy bars. At least 1/2 of the customers will then pull out their wad of cash and buy cigarettes. Oh, and a few will walk out, and get into their Lexus.

I will also note here, that I believe in the idea of helping the poor. I work for a homeless shelter, soup kitchen and food pantry. I believe in the idea of charity for people who have fallen on hard times, as well as the many veterans, and mentally ill people we serve. We serve a balance meal every day, open to everyone, and our cook is damn good. So there is always an option for someone to get a meal, not one poor person in our city would "go hungry".

But for food stamps to be accepted at fast food joints is straight out ridiculous :thumbsdown:
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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ground beef is a little bit more at the store, but it's generally a slightly higher quality. if you buy the lower quality patties, which are more along the lines of what McDonalds sells, they're roughly the same price for more meat.
Where would you even buy mcdicks meat? The hamburger at Costco is hardcore lean and it's expensive. Stuff at mcdonalds is extra fatty which means extra low quality.


Plus the cost of electricity or gas for the oven
Fuel is surprisingly cheap. The amount of methanol needed to deep fry a whole batch of chicken in a fondue is less than $1. I've been using the same 1 gallon jug of methanol for more than a month and I fondue all the time. It takes about 1L of oil as well so that's about 1-2 bucks. The rest is just the cost of the meat. Add soy sauce and worcestorshire to the final product and wrap it in a small piece of white bread. Delicious! That's what I'm making right now!
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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all day long, for 70% of the food stamp shoppers it is like this, chips, soda, frozen foods, little debbie snacks, candy bars.
Poor people are not known for their intelligence. Rent to own furniture? Where do I sign up???
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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They should advertise you can use food stamps at KFC at .50cents on the dollar (half value)...all those that show up; mow them down with a chain gun.

profit!
 

drebo

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
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Where would you even buy mcdicks meat? The hamburger at Costco is hardcore lean and it's expensive. Stuff at mcdonalds is extra fatty which means extra low quality.

As pointed out, you want a good percentage of fat in burgers. 85/15 is my preferred. I wouldn't go lower than 93/7 for burgers. 80/20 is decent for all purpose and is usually on sale somewhere every weekend for $2.50/lb. If that's really to much, you can often find 75/25 for $1.69/lb.

I usually get 80/20 because it's a good balance of lean and cheap.

Fuel is surprisingly cheap. The amount of methanol needed to deep fry a whole batch of chicken in a fondue is less than $1. I've been using the same 1 gallon jug of methanol for more than a month and I fondue all the time. It takes about 1L of oil as well so that's about 1-2 bucks. The rest is just the cost of the meat. Add soy sauce and worcestorshire to the final product and wrap it in a small piece of white bread. Delicious! That's what I'm making right now!

Most poor people don't pay their own electricity and gas bills. They're heavily subsidized. It's always pissed me off cause they always run their AC, 24/7, because they know they don't have to pay for it. But I run it less than 2 hrs/day averaged over the summer because it's fucking expensive.
 
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