Foodies - Anyone into Molecular Gastronomy?

sygyzy

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Are any of you into molecular gastronomy or the science behind food and cooking? It's obviously a very hip topic right now. Marcel was experimenting with it on the last season of Top Chef and obviously El Bulli (#1 restaurant in the world) features it extensively. This topic has also been featured recently in Popular Science and the second episode of The Next Iron Chef.

I just spoke with a sales rep at National Starch to order some samples and I plan on getting more hydrocolloids from various sources to round out my collection.

Thoughts?
 

rpc64

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I know what molecular gastronomy is but don't know anything about it. Wouldn't mind learning more. What is National Starch? Hydrocolloids?
 

sygyzy

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National Starch is just a commercial producer of starches. Hydrocolloids refers to substances that forms a gel when in contact with water.
 

EvilYoda

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I've seen it on TV and I've read about it, but I've never really thought to get involved in it. Keep us updated
 

GagHalfrunt

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It's like kids making mud pies. Why on earth do you need to make foam as part of a meal?
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
It's like kids making mud pies. Why on earth do you need to make foam as part of a meal?

You never made mud pies as a kid?
 

Apex

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Apex
Check out this guy's food blog. Simply amazing.

http://chuckeats.com/blog3/200...ain-the-mad-scientist/

Homeboy went to El Bulli. That's like my dream come true. A friend IM'd me the other day to let me know that reservations for 2008 just opened up.

Yep, along with a bunch of restaurants he felt were superior.

Personally, I'd rather try Urasawa, Manresa, and a bunch of others.
 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Apex
Check out this guy's food blog. Simply amazing.

http://chuckeats.com/blog3/200...ain-the-mad-scientist/

Homeboy went to El Bulli. That's like my dream come true. A friend IM'd me the other day to let me know that reservations for 2008 just opened up.

Yep, along with a bunch of restaurants he felt were superior.

Personally, I'd rather try Urasawa, Manresa, and a bunch of others.

See for me it's not really a who's better. I mean it is, but it's kind of like saying "Oh that model's cute, but I prefer [some other model]." Who cares? You can "have" them both.
 

Apex

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Apex
Check out this guy's food blog. Simply amazing.

http://chuckeats.com/blog3/200...ain-the-mad-scientist/

Homeboy went to El Bulli. That's like my dream come true. A friend IM'd me the other day to let me know that reservations for 2008 just opened up.

Yep, along with a bunch of restaurants he felt were superior.

Personally, I'd rather try Urasawa, Manresa, and a bunch of others.

See for me it's not really a who's better. I mean it is, but it's kind of like saying "Oh that model's cute, but I prefer [some other model]." Who cares? You can "have" them both.

I can't afford to have em all, but I agree with your sentiment.

Lemme rephrase then. There are a bunch I'd like to try before El Bulli.
 

Ophir

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Did you really just mention that douche Marcel and molecular gastronomy in the same sentence? The guy whose idea of a novel, ground-breaking ingredient is xanthum gum? I've never had his food, for all I know it may actually be great. One thing for sure is that he's full of shit and a complete jackass.
 

Ophir

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Didn't mean to threadcrap, but that Marcel is really a punk.

Back on topic, I find the idea of molecular gastronomy intriguing. As a biochemist with several food scientist friends (including my roommate) I find that the there is a big knowledge gap between basic chemistry principles and cooks in general. I would be surprised if 10% of recent culinary school grads know what a protein's PI is - yet, they throw around words like flavinoids and proteins instead of meat.

Using science and scientific method to systematically improve flavor is a great concept; however, current food science instruction is way behind the times and leaves much to be desired in the realm of science. Here at my school in their curriculum they spend 80% of their lab time titrating with little instruction on biochemical methods.

I think too many people throw around the term molecular gastronomy because it is the chic thing to do, but I wonder how many actually know what it actually means. For example, a recent Iron Chef America episode showed this jackass chef using all sorts of novel cooking techniques - lasers, liquid nitrogen, etc. - as if he was some sort of genius. What crap. He went too far when he labeled transfer pipet as "a piece of equipment they use in DNA sequencing." Yeah, that and every other damn thing in a chemistry lab.

edit: grammar
 

sygyzy

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Apex Gotcha. I think I'll stick with the America's before hitting up Europe. I don't want to go alone and the logistics of planning a trip that expensive and that far in advance are a nightmare. There's plenty of good places Stateside, like the French Laundry, although that is outside the realm of this conversation. I am curious about molecular gastronomy in particular.

Ophir - Thanks for your insight. I am having a hard time figuring out where you're coming from. I took some risk posting this here because from previous threads, it's pretty obvious the majority of users here are not into the finer things (watches, food, wine, etc) and MG is even extreme for many foodies. I can't tell if you are interested in MG from a purely science aspect and have no real understanding or appreciation of food or you are a foodie whose interest naturally progressed to MG. I would be the latter and admittedly I don't hold a BS in chemistry nor a degree from the CIA. I guess you would consider me a poser, though from your rants, I think anyone sort of Herve would be a poser.

Admittedly, I am using the term molecular gatronomy in a wide sweeping fashion. I don't have the patience or knowledge, quite frankly, to use more "proper" technical terms for various techniques.

I am looking into it because I like food and I am interested in seeing new techniques for presenting it and tasting it. I mean, what new ideas in cooking have been created in the last 50-100 years? Baking, roasting, marinating, tenderizing, smoking, souffles, foams, meringues, are all very very old techniques.
 

Ophir

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Ophir - Thanks for your insight. I am having a hard time figuring out where you're coming from. I took some risk posting this here because from previous threads, it's pretty obvious the majority of users here are not into the finer things (watches, food, wine, etc) and MG is even extreme for many foodies. I can't tell if you are interested in MG from a purely science aspect and have no real understanding or appreciation of food or you are a foodie whose interest naturally progressed to MG. I would be the latter and admittedly I don't hold a BS in chemistry nor a degree from the CIA. I guess you would consider me a poser, though from your rants, I think anyone sort of Herve would be a poser.

Admittedly, I am using the term molecular gatronomy in a wide sweeping fashion. I don't have the patience or knowledge, quite frankly, to use more "proper" technical terms for various techniques.

I am looking into it because I like food and I am interested in seeing new techniques for presenting it and tasting it. I mean, what new ideas in cooking have been created in the last 50-100 years? Baking, roasting, marinating, tenderizing, smoking, souffles, foams, meringues, are all very very old techniques.
I see your point, it's about the food. Looking back, I see my post was convoluted. What I was trying to convey is that I see MG ias the application of food science to cooking. Food science has historically been used to analyze flavors, textures, and composition of foods, not to improve flavors and cooking techniques using an understanding of the effects off cooking and taste on the molecular/microscopic level of food and the sense of taste.

I see current MG foods and techniques as bastardized versions of this. Too many MG chefs use it as an excuse to arbitrarily use foams, lasers, and whatever off the wall cooking technique they may have invented. Although the food may be good, to me, this is an extension of nouvelle cuisine. I think MG can do so much more than this, and should revolutionize our concept of cooking.

edit: To answer your question, I am a foodie (though I hate the term). I am obsessed with cooking and food shows, and save to eat at some of the finer restaurants everywhere I go. My preference is for food to be made to make the best flavor/texture combinations possible, not doing wacky stuff for novelty's sake. I use strong words because I feel that MG can be used to take food to a new level.
 

Yreka

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Small world, I just finished watching that episode ( Next Iron Chef ). WD-50 guy was also a guest judge a time or 2 on Top Chef, I would love to try some of his stuff. As for GE, I know next to nothing about it but it does seem very interesting.
 

Ophir

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The Iron Chef America episode I was referring to was the Morimoto vs Homaro Cantu. Cantu is revered as one of the chefs at the forefront of MG, but on that episode, looked like an absolute clown. Yes it was interesting in that "look at the pretty lights at the carnival' sort of way, but really brought down my respect for molecular gastronomy as a whole.
 

davestar

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
I took some risk posting this here because from previous threads, it's pretty obvious the majority of users here are not into the finer things (watches, food, wine, etc) and MG is even extreme for many foodies.

haha, very true i suppose.

i'd be happy, though, if the general population of america (ATOT?) would learn again to appreciate quality "classically" prepared food. you've got to walk before you can run, and jumping from TGIF's to MG is like going from a comatose state to a full-on sprint.

that being said, i prefer the idea of tradition in food. the best meals of my life (so far) have been at random little trattorias in Italy.
 

xospec1alk

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WD-50 is definetely one of my favorite restaurants in NYC. its fun, unpretentious, and overall pretty great food.

Sam Mason, the old dessert chef from WD-50 just opened up his own place called Tailor, and his menu looks awesome. I had some from the sweet side, but his savory menu looks absolutely amazing.
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: Ophir
Did you really just mention that douche Marcel and molecular gastronomy in the same sentence? The guy whose idea of a novel, ground-breaking ingredient is xanthum gum? I've never had his food, for all I know it may actually be great. One thing for sure is that he's full of shit and a complete jackass.

Considering how Marcel tried to mention it every time he opened his mouth, you sort of have to put them in the same sentence.

I hated him too, he never should've made the final. And he looks like Heat Miser.
 

sygyzy

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I don't know what the problem with Marcel is. It seems like some of you are making distinctions between different levels of MG expertise. I personally think he shuold have won, not Mr. Spanish, but that's neither here or there. I have been putting together my hydrocolloid list and will probably order soon. I'll need to pick up some extras too like an immersion blender. I am trying to find a whipper on eBay for cheap.

I also am getting sent some free Supertaster tests which I will be very interested in learning about.

Here's a Wiki link on that topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertaster
 

Descartes

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Excuse the ignorance, but what exactly are you going to be doing? I get that you're into MG, but are you just trying to create something known, or are you getting the hydrocolloids, etc. to experiment with your own ideas?

Sounds like fun overall. I cook a lot at home, but I don't go much beyond finding different ways to combine ingredients to achieve a better flavor.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Apex
Check out this guy's food blog. Simply amazing.

http://chuckeats.com/blog3/200...ain-the-mad-scientist/

Homeboy went to El Bulli. That's like my dream come true. A friend IM'd me the other day to let me know that reservations for 2008 just opened up.

Yep, along with a bunch of restaurants he felt were superior.

Personally, I'd rather try Urasawa, Manresa, and a bunch of others.

I'm going to ask my parents to take out a HELOC so we can eat at Urasawa. You on chowhound Apex?
 
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