The Morf line (Pips, GPs, and Kidds) with the removable shrouds are also quite good, especially if you can pick up one of the extra skins. I got three skins back when footlocker had dropped them to under 5 with a pair of the Pippens, and just got the Kidds for $28. Too bad the inner boot ain't sold seperately, coz that Kidd skin is damn ugly, but I'll take what I can get.... like those XVII Mules for $42 =)