We all have lots of stories like that. Unfortunately in this planet of 7 billion+ people nothing is always clear cut and linear. But please, do jump on the bandwagon you feel comfortable with.
Im sipping on a latte.
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So a few weeks ago I was at a discount department store (am not rich like the elite uppity white liberals). Two girls were doing idiotic things for fun apparently. Then they checked out and after having exited the store came back in. The guy at the checkout counter stopped them in their tracks, pointing to one girl not wearing shoes. Told them to leave which they had to. I was really pleased.
The girls? White. The guy? Black.
So much for the claim made here that I am somehow defending racism and being called names.
Some of you elite liberals living in your upscale bubbles really need to get off your high horses. Frankly its tiring and boring. Experience the real world we the people live in. But I suspect you guys would never do that. It’s so much easier to pretend to yourself that I’m oh so morally superior.
So a few weeks ago I was at a discount department store (am not rich like the elite uppity white liberals). Two girls were doing idiotic things for fun apparently. Then they checked out and after having exited the store came back in. The guy at the checkout counter stopped them in their tracks, pointing to one girl not wearing shoes. Told them to leave which they had to. I was really pleased.
The girls? White. The guy? Black.
So much for the claim made here that I am somehow defending racism and being called names.
Some of you elite liberals living in your upscale bubbles really need to get off your high horses. Frankly its tiring and boring. Experience the real world we the people live in. But I suspect you guys would never do that. It’s so much easier to pretend to yourself that I’m oh so morally superior.
Fuck you are dumb.
Fuck off. Go mock a guy who has a serious disease, because you care for humanity, you piece of shit
You do have a disease.
Remember "No loitering?" signs?
How about "No shirt, no shoes, no service"?
They are probably history now. We have too many immature people afoot, lawyers ginning up stories to make money, and people whose favorite past time is being outraged because they having nothing better to do.
Yeah, and it is calling out peoples’ hypocrisy. I am also aware of some ways I have hypocrisy.
Anyhow all this is beyond your level. Go back to your memes and childish one liners
THAT something better to do, is an invitation to violence. It's a social breakdown when idiots insist that their desires are more important than harmony, when people insist that ME ME ME is more important than stepping back and looking at the bigger picture.So? Find something better to do.
THAT something better to do, is an invitation to violence. It's a social breakdown when idiots insist that their desires are more important than harmony, when people insist that ME ME ME is more important than stepping back and looking at the bigger picture.
In this picture, a business gives no fscks about who you are meeting. They are open and letting you inside to BUY THINGS. They will coddle your childish inability to meet people on your own property because you're BUYING THINGS.
If those fine gentlemen were profiting the company, deemed a greater asset than liability, then they'd be welcome to stay.
Idiots don't get that. Normal intelligent people don't need to hang out at a coffee shop without buying anything then make a scene when that's pointed out.
They need to be made an example of, but not for the reason you think I mean. It's not about racism, it's about consumerism. Beeches can't be taking up space and not paying for the space.
If your arse is too broke to buy coffee, yeah you should probably stay home and work on that.
Have you ever gone into some food/drink establishment and waited for a third party to show up before ordering? No? Well, it's perfectly ordinary behaviour to do that.
3-Its going to be hard to make a ton more money from people who dont want to buy anything.
As for these 2 individuals they had no desire to purchase. Otherwise the first or second time they were asked to place an order or leave they would have placed an order seeing as they were waiting for someone to show up. I highly suspect that they were not waiting for anyone though.,
But if starbucks wants to present itself as a place where you do not need to purchase drinks or food but can hang out all day then thats there decision. If that later becomes the case then asking someone to leave can be seen as racist or other forms of inequality.
Wow you old guys really lacked manners.Remember "No loitering?" signs?
How about "No shirt, no shoes, no service"?
They are probably history now. We have too many immature people afoot, lawyers ginning up stories to make money, and people whose favorite past time is being outraged because they having nothing better to do.
THAT something better to do, is an invitation to violence. It's a social breakdown when idiots insist that their desires are more important than harmony, when people insist that ME ME ME is more important than stepping back and looking at the bigger picture.
In this picture, a business gives no fscks about who you are meeting. They are open and letting you inside to BUY THINGS. They will coddle your childish inability to meet people on your own property because you're BUYING THINGS.
If those fine gentlemen were profiting the company, deemed a greater asset than liability, then they'd be welcome to stay.
Idiots don't get that. Normal intelligent people don't need to hang out at a coffee shop without buying anything then make a scene when that's pointed out.
They need to be made an example of, but not for the reason you think I mean. It's not about racism, it's about consumerism. Beeches can't be taking up space and not paying for the space.
If your arse is too broke to buy coffee, yeah you should probably stay home and work on that.
So a few weeks ago I was at a discount department store (am not rich like the elite uppity white liberals). Two girls were doing idiotic things for fun apparently. Then they checkedr out and after having exited the store came back in. The guy at the checkout counter stopped them in their tracks, pointing to one girl not wearing shoes. Told them to leave which they had to. I was really pleased.
The girls? White. The guy? Black.
So much for the claim made here that I am somehow defending racism and being called names.
Some of you elite liberals living in your upscale bubbles really need to get off your high horses. Frankly its tiring and boring. Experience the real world we the people live in. But I suspect you guys would never do that. It’s so much easier to pretend to yourself that I’m oh so morally superior.
Clearly you know you're wrong or else you wouldn't have tried to steer the conversations towards a vague "establishment' instead of sticking to the topic of a coffee shop.
No, it's not at all ordinary to go to a coffee shop and not order yet if you intended to be a paying customer.
Please do go to a coffee shop soon and take notes if you doubt this. There might be a minor lag in time but not this.
Many restaurants will not seat you unless your entire party is present.Wow you old guys really lacked manners.
Today we try to wait for our party to show up before ordering and eating. What’s nice is almost all establishments support this as they would like repeat customers.
Maybe it is YOU YOU YOU that need to step back and see the big picture. None of this would have happened if they were white. I know for a fact that the police would not have been called if it was me in this situation. I hate coffee, but often wait for others to hang out with them.
Another person struggling with the concept.
A business who is a public accommodation may totally ask anyone to leave for almost any reason.
In your story the girls had clearly violated store policy by not wearing shoes. We also have no indication from your story that the rule were being unfairly administered.
What a public accommodation may not do is eject someone for being a certain, race, religion, sex, having a disability, or being from some other nation of origin. Nor may they use another rule as a pretex to target the same.
If in your story the cashier only asked girls without shoes to leave and then he let guys in without shoes he would have been violating public accommodation law.
In the Starbucks case, the problem for the manager is while she may ask non-paying customers to leave the evidence suggests she was not apply the rule fairly.
The customer who videoed the incident reported to the media they were not being disruptive.
The manager could still have legally asked them to leave for not buying anything.
Their response was they were waiting for someone. Waiting for someone in your party before ordering is something almost everyone (except @FelixDeCat ) has done and stating you are waiting for someone normally implies you will be ordering something when your party is complete.
She still could have legally asked them to leave if the place was packed and they needed the table.
However as reported by the eyewitness and apparently heard on the video others had said they had been there for over an hour without ordering and hadn’t been asked to leave.
And to top it off the person they were waiting for did show up within 15 minutes.
So I’m sorry but the evidence points to her unequally applying the rules which is a public accommodation violation.
Businesses need to follow the laws they agree to do business under period.
Many restaurants will not seat you unless your entire party is present.
Also, would you go into a restaurant, sit down, not order anything and not notify the server that you are waiting for a member of your party or of your intent to eventually order something? Don’t you think a manager will inevitably visit your table.
I seem to recall this is the same Starbucks that let people come in, buy one coffee, sit there all day conducting business. I've seen it.
If an establishment has a reputation for letting customers hangout and I came in to wait for friends to show up and a manager came up and told me to leave being black my reaction would have probably been the same.I agree, businesses have to be consistent with their established rules. That is like leadership 101. That would have avoided this situation.
Also, too, the two gentlemen were asked to leave and refused. Unfair or not, they were still in violation of the rules.
I'm going with "unfair." When a rule is not fairly or evenly applied, it ceases to be something that is legitimately used.Also, too, the two gentlemen were asked to leave and refused. Unfair or not, they were still in violation of the rules.
What a public accommodation may not do is eject someone for being a certain, race, religion, sex, having a disability, or being from some other nation of origin. Nor may they use another rule as a pretext to target the same.