Footage of two black men handcuffed in Starbucks prompts police investigation

[Noah Abrams]

JSt0rm - you were the one being rude / mocking towards someone who has a serious disease - in the other sub forum. Yeah I think I know the kind. The "liberal" who takes a stand for the oppressed, feels outraged at income inequality, racial issues, poverty, votes Democrat, could even be an activist and so on - but is a jerk / bitch in real life. Not an ounce of kindness and decency inside these people. These so called "stands" and "issues" are nothing but self delusion for their own various disgusting traits. I personally know some such people in my extended family.

Yes there are decent and kind liberal people. I am talking of a certain type, and this forum has quite a few of them.

 

[FIVR]

JSt0rm - you were the one being rude / mocking towards someone who has a serious disease - in the other sub forum. Yeah I think I know the kind. The "liberal" who takes a stand for the oppressed, feels outraged at income inequality, racial issues, poverty, votes Democrat, could even be an activist and so on - but is a jerk / bitch in real life. Not an ounce of kindness and decency inside these people. These so called "stands" and "issues" are nothing but self delusion for their own various disgusting traits. I personally know some such people in my extended family.

Yes there are decent and kind liberal people. I am talking of a certain type, and this forum has quite a few of them.

You came to this forum why? To defend racism anywhere and everywhere?


Why isn't anybody asking WWYBYWB?

 

[JSt0rm]

Unfortunately the CEO wanted to protect the company's image at the cost of sacrificing a manager.

well the ceo said it was his fault and didnt fire the manager. Promised changes.

 

[JSt0rm]

JSt0rm - you were the one being rude / mocking towards someone who has a serious disease - in the other sub forum. Yeah I think I know the kind. The "liberal" who takes a stand for the oppressed, feels outraged at income inequality, racial issues, poverty, votes Democrat, could even be an activist and so on - but is a jerk / bitch in real life. Not an ounce of kindness and decency inside these people. These so called "stands" and "issues" are nothing but self delusion for their own various disgusting traits. I personally know some such people in my extended family.

Yes there are decent and kind liberal people. I am talking of a certain type, and this forum has quite a few of them.

humping

 

[Perknose]

Yeah I think I know the kind. The "liberal" who takes a stand for the oppressed, feels outraged at income inequality, racial issues, poverty, votes Democrat, could even be an activist and so on - but is a jerk / bitch in real life. Not an ounce of kindness and decency inside these people. These so called "stands" and "issues" are nothing but self delusion for their own various disgusting traits. I personally know some such people in my extended family.

There's an even bigger asshole in your family. Want to take a guess who that might be? Go on, take a guess.

 

[Noah Abrams]

You came to this forum why? To defend racism anywhere and everywhere?


Why isn't anybody asking WWYBYWB?

If you really think this is racism, I’d suggest one of the two reasons or both

- Your thinking has been molded by the media over the years.
- You don’t yet have enough real world experience how a lot of people really are. And in the rare instance they are confronted they play the victim

As a former liberal who once would have agreed with the racism claim here - I am more inclined towards the second reason

 

[Victorian Gray]

1. 2 people walk into a coffee bar and ask for the restroom code, which is printed on receipts. They are told the bathroom is for paying customers only. They sit down.
2. The manager approaches them and asks them if they are going to place an order. They now say that they are waiting for someone. The mgr. says they need to order or leave. They repeat they are waiting for someone. Don't order, don't leave.
3. The mgr. calls the police to report trespassers.
4. The police arrive and ask the 2 people to leave. 3 times.
5. The 2 people are handcuffed, arrested and escorted from the premises.

That about covers it. Next.

It was a damn good shoot!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Now more people will brazenly use such places as their living rooms. No decent people won’t but there are countless who don’t fall anywhere close to decent category. Because of how trashy media has become and it’s endless hunger for click dollars

That's essentially how Starbucks established itself in the first place.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I actually have seen the exact kind of behavior at one Starbucks I used to walk past by several years ago. Not two but a big group of men. And for a MUCH longer time. I suspect most uppity liberals here are too affluent to have ever frequented such places

Keep living in your bubble folks. I know it is very comfy

 

[Noah Abrams]

That's essentially how Starbucks established itself in the first place.

Nope. It didn’t establish itself as a place where you just go and sit and not order anything. A public park it is not

 

[Victorian Gray]

Of course he is. SJWs are power-hungry whack-jobs, that just want to topple people in power so that THEY can be in power, dishing out their dictatorial / mob-rule, rather than the respected Rule of Law.

No civilized society can tolerate SJWs. We need to lock them up.

Edit: If you think it through, pretty-much ALL "mass shootings", are not due to "guns", but due to SJWs, or people just like them, that think that it's somehow acceptable to humans, to isolate, shame, blacklist, deprive someone of livelyhood and social interaction. The result is, there are unstable people out there, that instead of leaving and finding a new life somewhere else, they "take a stand". With sadly predictable results.

That factor is just but one reason why SJWs need to be locked up.

People who keep ranting about "SJWs" need to get a life and maybe a couple of clues.

 

[Noah Abrams]

So on one side there is the vile creature in WH and his genuinely racist cohorts. And on the other are those who scream racism at every ten seconds, want amnesty for illegals and so on

This describes how extremes the two sides have become in America. Looks like a no hope situation

 

[Cr0nJ0b]

All I can say is that I've been in a lot of Starbucks stores and have never been asked to leave. I can't think of any store where I've been asked to leave except a restaurant, which I understand because they needed the table space. It just doesn't feel right when you hear an SB manager calling the cops for 2 people just sitting quietly...Something not right. I I heard that they were there for say 2-3 hours...maybe...then it's getting wierd, but an hour waiting for a friend? just smells a little off. and since they fired the manager I would suspect that protocol was not followed.

 

[JSt0rm]

the guy or gal wasnt fired. They just moved them.

 

[soundforbjt]

I heard their friend showed up just as they were being led out by police.

 

[Noah Abrams]

All I can say is that I've been in a lot of Starbucks stores and have never been asked to leave. I can't think of any store where I've been asked to leave except a restaurant, which I understand because they needed the table space. It just doesn't feel right when you hear an SB manager calling the cops for 2 people just sitting quietly...Something not right. I I heard that they were there for say 2-3 hours...maybe...then it's getting wierd, but an hour waiting for a friend? just smells a little off. and since they fired the manager I would suspect that protocol was not followed.

That is where you have to understand that the full story is rarely if ever reported. No the police were not called just like that.

Goes for most of these “outrage” stories. There are always things missing. Ditto for these deportation stories. One day I decided to research a couple of them, outside of what was reported in the main. Had to do some digging. Turns out there were some important facts missing and these folks were not quite the innocent victims that they were portrayed to be

 

[Mai72]

If you really think this is racism, I’d suggest one of the two reasons or both

- Your thinking has been molded by the media over the years.
- You don’t yet have enough real world experience how a lot of people really are. And in the rare instance they are confronted they play the victim

As a former liberal who once would have agreed with the racism claim here - I am more inclined towards the second reason

Maybe it was or maybe it wasn't racism. But...

1) I've sat in Starbuck for hours and hadn't bought anything. I've never been asked to leave. I've seen people sitting for HOURS, and no issues. If they had bought something it was a coffee many hours ago. Most were white.

2) I don't blame the cops. They were just doing their job.

3) Starbucks is going to make a TON more money from this incident. The CEO is going to sit down with these 2 gentlemen. He's a smart guy.

4) This incident will be forgotten very quickly.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So on one side there is the vile creature in WH and his genuinely racist cohorts. And on the other are those who scream racism at every ten seconds, want amnesty for illegals and so on

This describes how extremes the two sides have become in America. Looks like a no hope situation

Какая погода, как в Санкт-Петербурге сегодня?

 

[Lanyap]

the guy or gal wasnt fired. They just moved them.

According to this article you are probably correct. Notice they don't say the manager was terminated or fired.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/starbucks...-training-121507962--abc-news-topstories.html

The manager who called police on two black men who had refused to leave a Philadelphia Starbucks no longer works there, a company spokeswoman confirmed to ABC News today.

A Starbucks spokesman told The Inquirer and Daily News of Philadelphia that the manager left the downtown store at 18th and Spruce Streets in what the company called a “mutual” decision.

I found some interesting older threads at reddit where Starbuck employees and customers were discussing the policy on loitering. Not saying these guys in Philly were loitering but the threads discuss related issues they have to deal with. The loitering policy is enforced differently in different shops and locations. Some shops don't do anything where other shops ask non-paying customers to leave frequently to rarely. They are more aggressive with homeless people, wifi squatters and non-paying customers who just come in to charge their devices.

My guess is that this manager was able to explain why they did what they did based on the loose policy and was reassigned to another store and will be "retrained".

https://www.google.com/search?ei=tz....64.psy-ab..1.1.110...0i13i30k1.0.8iKVhsp3uEo


Some examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/...something_to_stay_in/?st=jg2wxrhk&sh=12d6004d

Does one really need to buy something to stay in the store? (self.starbucks)

submitted 2 years ago * by createanewaccountuse

Last week I was studying at a starbucks. After about 10-15 minutes I was told I needed to buy something. Sure enough I got some food and a drink.

I was there for an hour or so, when this one guy came in and just sat began surfing the web. A bit later he too was told he needed to buy something.

He said he spoke with corporate and they reassured him he doesn't need to buy anything to stay in the store. Is that true?

This morning I was at starbucks and a group of ghetto/thuggish people came in and just started charging their phones. They stayed for about an hour but at no time were they told to buy anything. Makes me wonder if the barista at that other store lastweek just didn't like me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starbucks/...out_the_noncustomers/?st=jg2xkzdo&sh=4fa8bf41

Kicking out the "non-customers" (self.starbucks)

submitted 7 months ago by theLegendairy1Barista

So in my district we have a new directive from our DM where the shifts are supposed to go around the lobby every few hours and kick out people who are loitering (basically, everyone who hangs out for a few hours studying or working in the lobby) or those who are relaxing in-store but who haven't bought anything. I can see why corporate doesn't want non-paying people using the store's resources, but I feel like this is a really bad look for Starbucks and the "welcoming" brand image that we are supposedly about.

Any other districts doing this, or have rolled it out? What exactly do you say to the customers? I was at a different starbucks the other day and the customer getting kicked out was like, "this is ridiculous, I spend money here almost every day, I just didn't buy anything today!"

I feel like our DM is having us move farther and further away from our core values, but they are on the fast track to regional manager so it also seems like this is the direction the company wants to go in. It hasn't been about the partners for a while, but now it seems it's no longer about the customers either. I also feel like it's a very short sighted strategy and once the next backlash hits and business drops it will be the front-line partners who will be thrown under the bus again.

 

[elitejp]

Maybe it was or maybe it wasn't racism. But...

1) I've sat in Starbuck for hours and hadn't bought anything. I've never been asked to leave. I've seen people sitting for HOURS, and no issues. If they had bought something it was a coffee many hours ago. Most were white.

2) I don't blame the cops. They were just doing their job.

3) Starbucks is going to make a TON more money from this incident. The CEO is going to sit down with these 2 gentlemen. He's a smart guy.

4) This incident will be forgotten very quickly.

3-Its going to be hard to make a ton more money from people who dont want to buy anything.


As for these 2 individuals they had no desire to purchase. Otherwise the first or second time they were asked to place an order or leave they would have placed an order seeing as they were waiting for someone to show up. I highly suspect that they were not waiting for anyone though.


But if starbucks wants to present itself as a place where you do not need to purchase drinks or food but can hang out all day then thats there decision. If that later becomes the case then asking someone to leave can be seen as racist or other forms of inequality.

 

[Victorian Gray]

As for these 2 individuals they had no desire to purchase. Otherwise the first or second time they were asked to place an order or leave they would have placed an order seeing as they were waiting for someone to show up. I highly suspect that they were not waiting for anyone though.

It helps if you take the time to read the background stories before commenting as not only were they meeting someone but that person showed up as the two men were being arrested and that info has been widely reported.

 

[elitejp]

Then i guess they should have bought a coffee then seeing as they werent waiting for a friend anymore

 

[FelixDeCat]

That is where you have to understand that the full story is rarely if ever reported. No the police were not called just like that.

Goes for most of these “outrage” stories. There are always things missing. Ditto for these deportation stories. One day I decided to research a couple of them, outside of what was reported in the main. Had to do some digging. Turns out there were some important facts missing and these folks were not quite the innocent victims that they were portrayed to be

Remember "No loitering?" signs?

How about "No shirt, no shoes, no service"?

They are probably history now. We have too many immature people afoot, lawyers ginning up stories to make money, and people whose favorite past time is being outraged because they having nothing better to do.

 

[ivwshane]

Then i guess they should have bought a coffee then seeing as they werent waiting for a friend anymore

Congrats! Now everyone knows you are an idiot.

 

[Noah Abrams]

So a few weeks ago I was at a discount department store (am not rich like the elite uppity white liberals). Two girls were doing idiotic things for fun apparently. Then they checked out and after having exited the store came back in. The guy at the checkout counter stopped them in their tracks, pointing to one girl not wearing shoes. Told them to leave which they had to. I was really pleased.

The girls? White. The guy? Black.

So much for the claim made here that I am somehow defending racism and being called names.

Some of you elite liberals living in your upscale bubbles really need to get off your high horses. Frankly its tiring and boring. Experience the real world we the people live in. But I suspect you guys would never do that. It’s so much easier to pretend to yourself that I’m oh so morally superior.