For all the web developers out there....

[Hyperblaze]

Do you enjoy making pages work in IE?

You create a web page that works flawlessly in just about every other browser out there, test it in IE, and it looks like garbage.

I lost count how many hours I've lost just making the web pages in IE just LOOK like they do in firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera.

Some of the rules that IE adheres to are just fucking ridiculus. (one which I discovered today which involves cookies)

I swear that if Microsoft didn't force/shove IE down our throats, nobody would be using this POS.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Do you enjoy making pages work in IE?

You create a web page that works flawlessly in just about every other browser out there, test it in IE, and it looks like garbage.

I lost count how many hours I've lost just making the web pages in IE just LOOK like they do in firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera.

Some of the rules that IE adheres to are just fucking ridiculus. (one which I discovered today which involves cookies)

I swear that if Microsoft didn't force/shove IE down our throats, nobody would be using this POS.

perhaps since only 1% of the total internet users use firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera... perhaps you should just code your web pages for IE and just be done with it...

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Do you enjoy making pages work in IE?

You create a web page that works flawlessly in just about every other browser out there, test it in IE, and it looks like garbage.

I lost count how many hours I've lost just making the web pages in IE just LOOK like they do in firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera.

Some of the rules that IE adheres to are just fucking ridiculus. (one which I discovered today which involves cookies)

I swear that if Microsoft didn't force/shove IE down our throats, nobody would be using this POS.

perhaps since only 1% of the total internet users use firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera... perhaps you should just code your web pages for IE and just be done with it...

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Do you enjoy making pages work in IE?

You create a web page that works flawlessly in just about every other browser out there, test it in IE, and it looks like garbage.

I lost count how many hours I've lost just making the web pages in IE just LOOK like they do in firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera.

Some of the rules that IE adheres to are just fucking ridiculus. (one which I discovered today which involves cookies)

I swear that if Microsoft didn't force/shove IE down our throats, nobody would be using this POS.

perhaps since only 1% of the total internet users use firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera... perhaps you should just code your web pages for IE and just be done with it...

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Thanks for the backup.

Either sao123 is a MS drone, just plain ignorant, or both.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Do you enjoy making pages work in IE?

You create a web page that works flawlessly in just about every other browser out there, test it in IE, and it looks like garbage.

I lost count how many hours I've lost just making the web pages in IE just LOOK like they do in firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera.

Some of the rules that IE adheres to are just fucking ridiculus. (one which I discovered today which involves cookies)

I swear that if Microsoft didn't force/shove IE down our throats, nobody would be using this POS.

perhaps since only 1% of the total internet users use firefox/mozilla/safari/netscape/opera... perhaps you should just code your web pages for IE and just be done with it...

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

yep. i was about to harp at sao for being a MS tool but looks like you beat me to the punch. According to PCMag, IE comprises of 43% of the market

 

[Deeko]

I hate Firefox.

 

[amdskip]

I code for firefox, sometimes I check them in IE, sometimes I don't. If it validates in Firefox it *should* be good in IE.

 

[yllus]

I code for IE, and don't really mind doing so all that much. Firefox has its own issues anyways.

 

[skrilla]

I have gotten used to most of the more common issues with IE so it doesn't take too long anymore. But I have had my share of wasted hours and frustration to get to this point.

 

[NanoStuff]

Work has dropped support for IE6. Everyone is told it site may not function properly below IE7. Don't like it, get lost, not worth our time.

 

[Train]

pfft, Tech Sites and "geeky" sites will always say IE has a small %, what a joke.

My company has about 50 clients who all together have over 10 million page views a DAY. Our core audience is "home owners". We are consistent at about 95% I.E.

We dev for IE, and check that our sites look "ok" in ff & safari, thats about it. naybe Opera since we use that one ourselves.

 

[FoBoT]

my company hasn't moved to IE7 yet, some internal sites can't work with it
they have known for about a year now, nobody is making them fix them :roll:

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Let me guess. You're using style sheets exclusively. LOL. Well, you got what you deserve for buying the l33t hype.

Never had a problem with tables + style sheets.

 

[Xavier434]

Web developers that run the most successful businesses make web pages that work on as many browsers as possible, but both IE and Firefox are essential. Bonus points if you get it to work perfectly on IE, Firefox, Netscape, and Safari.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Train
My company has about 50 clients who all together have over 10 million page views a DAY. Our core audience is "home owners". We are consistent at about 95% I.E.

I suspect if the majority of clients are in the business of selling diapers to house wives, 95% makes sense. The typical rate for standard wide-audience websites, be it video sites, news sites, IE % is much lower than that.

Even one of my sites oriented around transcribing a local newspaper whose target audience is mostly older individuals maintains 30% Firefox.

 

[Winchester]

What drives me nuts is how (000000, FFFFFF) colors differ between browsers. I can have one set to match a graphic and it matches perfectly in firefox, but is way off in IE or vice versa.

 

[pstylesss]

I HATE coding for IE. I code for Firefox first, get everything to standards, then I have to break my code for IE6. They threw us a curve ball with IE 7 by deciding to half ass following standards. I code for IE 6, IE 7, Firefox, Netscape, Safari, and Opera. I don't use CSS "hacks" either. I use PHP to get the browser and send out the correct style sheet with that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Train
My company has about 50 clients who all together have over 10 million page views a DAY. Our core audience is "home owners". We are consistent at about 95% I.E.

I suspect if the majority of clients are in the business of selling diapers to house wives, 95% makes sense. The typical rate for standard wide-audience websites, be it video sites, news sites, IE % is much lower than that.

Even one of my sites oriented around transcribing a local newspaper whose target audience is mostly older individuals maintains 30% Firefox.

95% is pretty high, but you still have to make them look great on both if not perfect. You can't use any the usual arguments that you find on tech sites when talking to customers when they call and complain about why something doesn't look right in IE or FF. They don't care. They just want to make more money than "the other guy" and get to the top of Google. Geeks whine about what is better but in the business world none of that matters.

This is just another reason why I quit being a web developer. Too many headaches.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Let me guess. You're using style sheets exclusively. LOL. Well, you got what you deserve for buying the l33t hype.

Never had a problem with tables + style sheets.

You run into your fair share of problems doing it that way as well.

Using CSS is not buying into the "l33t hype". It's smart. It loads faster than tables and its what will be used in the future; there is no going around it.

Tables have their place, but its getting smaller and smaller. I suppose you still use iFrames for many things as well?

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
You can't use any the usual arguments that you find on tech sites when talking to customers when they call and complain about why something doesn't look right in IE or FF.

Yes I can. It takes twice as long to develop a site that's backwards compatible with decade old browsers. Customers that expect this are what we call "low margin customers", those we simply decline.

 

[torpid]

I have never had that problem. IE and FireFox both are similar when I look with them at my apps. Other browsers behave like total crap and you can never predict what things will look like.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: torpid
I have never had that problem. IE and FireFox both are similar when I look with them at my apps.

That's because you're not a professional web developer.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: torpid
I have never had that problem. IE and FireFox both are similar when I look with them at my apps.

That's because you're not a professional web developer.

Yes, I am. I use CSS mostly, which many browsers don't support for crap. I'm glad that firefox is "the new netscape" because netscape sucked massively in terms of the additional markup required just to make the thing render.

 

[RossMAN]

Tom, I haven't seen you on Vent in ages

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Winchester
What drives me nuts is how (000000, FFFFFF) colors differ between browsers. I can have one set to match a graphic and it matches perfectly in firefox, but is way off in IE or vice versa.

I have never had this problem. Is this a documented issue?