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[conjur]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, maybe the use of "back-alley abortion doctors and coat hangers" would make someone think before they have unprotected sex, or just sex. But, no, that's still not an answer to the problem and shouldn't be where this country wants to go. I know when I have sex, I know I am taking a risk, and if something happens, I have to assume responsibility for my actions. Some people consider the idea of abortion of allowing people to have their cake and eat it, too.

For your information not all abortions are done for selfish reasons.

Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Would it be fair to say that the real issue behind the gay-marriage ban is not a backlash against gays but rather against liberal judges in the likes of MA who choose to legislate from the bench? Had it not been for those judges in MA, you would not have had 11 states vote to ban gay marriage.

No. That would not be fair. Most people voted against gay behavior because they think it's sinful. End of story.

That said, the MA judges definitely hurt the campaign. I was glad when Kerry said he was for civil unions and not gay marriage, of course that wasn't enough.

Where is the "I voted down gay marriage because I think it is sinful" Poll?

LOL, no kidding. Who does this guy think he is that he knows what the whole country is thinking?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, maybe the use of "back-alley abortion doctors and coat hangers" would make someone think before they have unprotected sex, or just sex. But, no, that's still not an answer to the problem and shouldn't be where this country wants to go. I know when I have sex, I know I am taking a risk, and if something happens, I have to assume responsibility for my actions. Some people consider the idea of abortion of allowing people to have their cake and eat it, too.

For your information not all abortions are done for selfish reasons.

Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

Did I say that? No. Go back and read what's in bold. How do you perceive my view as "narrow-minded?"

And by the way, sometimes, I don't mind having my views being considered "narrow-minded." Unlike your boy Kerry, I do have some strong stances, and also, unlike your boy Kerry, I have a job today.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Would it be fair to say that the real issue behind the gay-marriage ban is not a backlash against gays but rather against liberal judges in the likes of MA who choose to legislate from the bench? Had it not been for those judges in MA, you would not have had 11 states vote to ban gay marriage.

No. That would not be fair. Most people voted against gay behavior because they think it's sinful. End of story.

That said, the MA judges definitely hurt the campaign. I was glad when Kerry said he was for civil unions and not gay marriage, of course that wasn't enough.

Where is the "I voted down gay marriage because I think it is sinful" Poll?

LOL, no kidding. Who does this guy think he is that he knows what the whole country is thinking?

I know who the majority voted for. I know what religion the majority of this nation practices. That's all I said.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, maybe the use of "back-alley abortion doctors and coat hangers" would make someone think before they have unprotected sex, or just sex. But, no, that's still not an answer to the problem and shouldn't be where this country wants to go. I know when I have sex, I know I am taking a risk, and if something happens, I have to assume responsibility for my actions. Some people consider the idea of abortion of allowing people to have their cake and eat it, too.

For your information not all abortions are done for selfish reasons.

Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

Right, and for your information, not all abortions are done for non-selfish reasons, either. Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

What was the point, again?

Do you feel that a woman has the right to have an abortion for any reason she sees fit? If so, that's fine. That puts you on one end of the spectrum. If you feel no woman should ever be allowed to have an abortion, that puts you on the other end. If you are somewhere in between those two extremes, that puts you right in the middle, where I would imagine the large majority of people are. Look around. These people are not your enemies, they are just concerned citizens, same as yourself.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
These people are not your enemies, they are just concerned citizens, same as yourself.

Impossible! Anybody who didn't vote for Kerry is evil!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, maybe the use of "back-alley abortion doctors and coat hangers" would make someone think before they have unprotected sex, or just sex. But, no, that's still not an answer to the problem and shouldn't be where this country wants to go. I know when I have sex, I know I am taking a risk, and if something happens, I have to assume responsibility for my actions. Some people consider the idea of abortion of allowing people to have their cake and eat it, too.

For your information not all abortions are done for selfish reasons.

Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

Right, and for your information, not all abortions are done for non-selfish reasons, either. Although, in your narrow-minded view I wouldn't expect you to see that.

What was the point, again?

Do you feel that a woman has the right to have an abortion for any reason she sees fit? If so, that's fine.

No, I don't.

If you feel no woman should ever be allowed to have an abortion, that puts you on the other end.

Only if her life or the baby's life is in jeopardy.

If you are somewhere in between those two extremes, that puts you right in the middle, where I would imagine the large majority of people are. Look around. These people are not your enemies, they are just concerned citizens, same as yourself.

Most of the people supporting a ban on abortion want a complete and total ban. Others, like Senator-elect DeMint, feel anyone performing an abortion should be put to death.


mmm....Christian Reconstructionism....tasty.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur

Most of the people supporting a ban on abortion want a complete and total ban.

Do you have any proof of that, or are you just talking out of your ass?

 

[AntiEverything]

You must be new here. The only talking conjur does is out of his ass. Either that or the statistic fairy visits him every night and tells him exactly what every person is thinking at that moment.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: assemblage
No one is stopping men from having relationships with each other. You also forget about the rights of innocent children when you talk about rights of women. No need to blame it on Christianity just because you hate Jesus.

Jesus was cool, it's his followers whom we need to be protected from.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: TravisT
As a christian, I feel that if you put no limitations on anything, then the country would be much worse off than it already is with drug addiction, killing, stealing, as well as other things.

Along with the things listed above, I believe there is something wrong, in terms of morals, with abortion and gay marriage. This is the land of the free in terms of if the country felt, as a whole, the way you did... things would be headed in the opposite direction.

It just so happens, the country still holds Christian values. It was proven in this election.

Which is why it's such a problem.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
You must be new here. The only talking conjur does is out of his ass. Either that or the statistic fairy visits him every night and tells him exactly what every person is thinking at that moment.

Actually, sometimes Conjur has something intelligent and factual to say.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: crimson117
I resent that as a christian. Jesus never turned people away for being different. In fact, he welcomed them into his church. So why do all those holier-than-thou southern christians seem to believe otherwise?

Any christians troubled by all this hate, check out the United Church of Christ

me. you know what this country needs after banning gay marriages? banning divorce--it's only logical if marriage is so holy and sacred.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur
Most of the people supporting a ban on abortion want a complete and total ban..

Now, is this some 'fact' you can show, or just a gut feeling? I'll against abortion, in principle, but do feel that some considerations should be made when the life of the mother and/or child is in danger, or rape/incest cases. So I say I am against abortion, or pro-life, but seem to be closer in line to how you feel, even though you may claim to be pro-choice (I'm not saying you claim such, but you might.).

Now I am pretty much totally against later-term PBA.

 

[Mucker]

Like it or not, majority rules period.

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