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gregoryvg

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You have zero need to buy a new processor.. 2500K is not a bottleneck at all.. and the CPU's for only gaming are side grades if anything especially vs your CPU overclocked.

I think this is the best advice. I have a 2500k and play GTA 5, CIV VI, Dawn of War 3 all at above 60fps at 1080p. I would love to upgrade, but just no real need. What are you playing that you feel like you need to upgrade? How much RAM do you have and what is your GPU?
 

Eric1987

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My ryzen made a huge difference in cpu intense games like MMO's. I game at 4k so not really much of a difference vs my 2500k.
 

PhonakV30

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Intel Core i7-7700K uses LGA1151 socket while Ryzen is AM4 so LGA 1151 socket is a dead socket and You can not upgrade to new CPU, while AM4 socket has 4 years lifespan.
LGA 1151 supports up to 4 cores/8 threads but AM4 up to 8 Cores/16 threads.It's possible to have a new CPU Zen+ and feature 8 cores with a high clock.It's depend on your future.
 
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TemjinGold

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WAIT FOR COFFEE LAKE. 3 months is absolutely nothing compared with how long a modern CPU lasts you. Just wait.

Why? It's not likely in his price range and, more importantly, not better value than a $250 1600x. And by the time it comes out, we'll be telling him to wait for Zen+, since that will be right around the corner.
 

Rifter

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This is really a short term or long term question.

If short term get a 7700k, will likely be fine for 1-3 years, till game engines make the switch to being DX12 based not DX9-11 based. Its dead end platform but thats irrelivent for short term solution.

If long term then 1700 is obvious choice, will keep getting better as games use more cores, which they are already starting to do, and this situation will just keep getting better over time as games make the jump to DX12, in 3-5 years a 1700 is going to be much better gaming CPU than a 7700k. And ontop of that you can drop in a zen+ or zen++ CPU revision in a few years as AMD is sticking with AM4 for the foreseeable future.
 

Headfoot

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Why? It's not likely in his price range and, more importantly, not better value than a $250 1600x. And by the time it comes out, we'll be telling him to wait for Zen+, since that will be right around the corner.

Because a modern CPU will last you a decade, and waiting 3 months is next to no time at all compared to the useful lifespan of the product.

Or we could all just be emotional children and run out and buy the first thing because delaying gratification is hard and buying stuff now is fun
 

TheELF

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This is really a short term or long term question.

If short term get a 7700k, will likely be fine for 1-3 years, till game engines make the switch to being DX12 based not DX9-11 based. Its dead end platform but thats irrelivent for short term solution.
Hmmm,didn't we see that especially with a lot of threads the fabric causes more trouble/slowdown?
Ashes was like one of the things that ran the worst and had to be fixed by the devs,not many devs are going to go through that kind of trouble WD2 was tooted as one of the things that would boost ryzen sales since it would obliterate the i7 but we are still waiting on that one....

z270 is only a "dead platform" if coffee lake won't be compatible with it and we don't know this yet.

The FX platform is about 5 years old now and all amd ever released for that was one newer revision a year after the first one and nothing else since...

So future upgrade with a more modern CPUs should not be taken for granted for either platform

The only thing a buyer can go on right now is what he knows right now and what he needs right now,the future 's not ours to see (que sera sera).
 

Muscles

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Intel Core i7-7700K uses LGA1151 socket while Ryzen is AM4 so LGA 1151 socket is a dead socket and You can not upgrade to new CPU, while AM4 socket has 4 years lifespan.
LGA 1151 supports up to 4 cores/8 threads but AM4 up to 8 Cores/16 threads.It's possible to have a new CPU Zen+ and feature 8 cores with a high clock.It's depend on your future.
QFT. If money is a big concern then my recommendation is Ryzen. You'll be able to upgrade it whenever using the same motherboard. You'll have to purchase a new motherboard when upgrading to a new processor if you buy intel later on down the road.
 

Rifter

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Um, AMD said they were supporting AM4 until 2020 with Zen+ and possibly Zen++ too.

Exactly, AMD already stated support for AM4 for next several years. Intel hasnt even confirmed support for CL beinf released in a few months. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to deduct from that that AM4 will have a much longer life and upgrade path than Z170/270.
 

Phynaz

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Um, AMD said they were supporting AM4 until 2020 with Zen+ and possibly Zen++ too.

AMD supporting it is very, very different than motherboard vendors supporting their old boards.

But then AMD has declared future support for sockets only to cancel it later.

Socket compatibility is a red herring. Motherboard compatibility is the real issue, and nobody guarantees that. And even if they did, a guarantee isn't a warranty. Find a motherboard maker that warrants their current motherboards will fully support AMD (or Intel) CPUs released in 2020.
 
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Carfax83

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To the OP, you should also tell us what monitor you have. A high refresh rate monitor (ie 144-165Hz) requires a powerful CPU to hit those framerates, so if you want to game at high framerates, then the 7700K would definitely be more ideal. Also might be worth waiting for Coffee Lake, which is supposed to arrive in a few months.
 

tamz_msc

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To the OP, you should also tell us what monitor you have. A high refresh rate monitor (ie 144-165Hz) requires a powerful CPU to hit those framerates, so if you want to game at high framerates, then the 7700K would definitely be more ideal. Also might be worth waiting for Coffee Lake, which is supposed to arrive in a few months.
What single-player games would do high refresh-rates at 1080p on a RX 480?
 

Topweasel

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AMD supporting it is very, very different than motherboard vendors supporting their old boards.

But then AMD has declared future support for sockets only to cancel it later.

Socket compatibility is a red herring. Motherboard compatibility is the real issue, and nobody guarantees that. And even if they did, a guarantee isn't a warranty. Find a motherboard maker that warrants their current motherboards will fully support AMD (or Intel) CPUs released in 2020.

But isn't this message a red herring as well? AMD has had some of the longest socket stability out of the two for a long long time now. Socket A lasted for what seemed like forever. 939 Lasted a long while. AMD offered transitional CPU options for new CPU on older platforms from the switch to AM2/AM2+/AM3. The boards have had a pretty good support in terms of BIOS updates for new CPU releases. The biggest trouble was some releases didn't support the power requirements of later releases since those releases were out of the original spec. The reason why CL seems like it's going to be a new socket is because Intel and OEM requirement that they have to fufill which is something like 18-24 for a platform change at max worst. Longer on the Server side. Intel sticks to that hard because honestly they would be fine changing out the socket every single release.

To me it seems worse to say that there is even a small chance the CL will use the same socket. It's pretty obvious that it won't.
 

itsmydamnation

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Hmmm,didn't we see that especially with a lot of threads the fabric causes more trouble/slowdown?
Ashes was like one of the things that ran the worst and had to be fixed by the devs,not many devs are going to go through that kind of trouble WD2 was tooted as one of the things that would boost ryzen sales since it would obliterate the i7 but we are still waiting on that one....

Why is it that every time you speak about Ryzen you basically lie?

The issues with aots had nothing to do with fabric at all, it was about behaviour difference between Intel and amd on certian non temporal instructions.

It's unlikely for games devs to patch something that is running well, even if it could run better.
 
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TemjinGold

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Because a modern CPU will last you a decade, and waiting 3 months is next to no time at all compared to the useful lifespan of the product.

Or we could all just be emotional children and run out and buy the first thing because delaying gratification is hard and buying stuff now is fun

Well thanks for calling me a child. Do you feel better about yourself now?
 

AMDisTheBEST

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Ryzen! Ryzen!! Ryzen!!!
How can you not love 16 threads, and 8 cores? Intel's coffee line up is probably just gonna be another boring 4 core i5 and and threaded 4 core i7 for the mainstream consumers. Ryzen however is an exciting and refreshing product.
 
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TheELF

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Why is it that every time you speak about Ryzen you basically lie?

The issues with aots had nothing to do with fabric at all, it was about behaviour difference between Intel and amd on certian non temporal instructions.

It's unlikely for games devs to patch something that is running well, even if it could run better.
So Aots was running badly until they fixed it,so it wasn't due to the fabric but some other problem,how is this lying? They still had to fix performance for aots and they still did not fix performance for wd2,if peoples argument is that future dx12 games will run better on ryzen then there should be at least a little bit of evidence supporting this,wd2 scales up to 8c/16t on intel that's why people where saying that ryzen would blow the i7s away,still we only see the ryzen be on par with i7, I'm repeating myself on a game that scales very well on 8c/16t.
 

coercitiv

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So Aots was running badly until they fixed it,so it wasn't due to the fabric but some other problem,how is this lying?
You were claiming to know the cause, and that cause had major implications. It turns out you knew little or nothing about the cause. Pretending to know something is a lie at best (the other option is worse imho).

The AOTS fix had nothing to do with thread scheduling optimization, you can read more about it here or bellow.

 
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TheELF

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You were claiming to know the cause,
"Hmmm,didn't we see " does not indicate any knowledge, I wasn't claiming to know the cause,fabric was talked about as the cause for mayor performance issues in the same time frame aots bad performance was talked about,I'm sure most people (that don't go over each review with a magnifying glass) wouldn't make a distinction or wouldn't even care if the performance drop comes from one problem or the other,the important thing is that ryzen has problems that devs will have to code around and that is something that only happens very rarely.
 
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