For Honor benchmarks

AtenRa

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Not bad for an NVIDIA sponsored title, nice to see its optimized for both AMD and NVIDIA hardware.
 
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PhonakV30

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ok , So RIP R9 290X.Looks like AMD doesn't want to Improve more on R9 390X.just like nvidia.All eyes are on Polaris and Fury
 

Krteq

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Woot? Hawaii/Grenada cards performs quite well in this game.
 

crisium

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Well, 290X is edging out its direct (often costlier) competitors the 780 Ti and 970. In that sense, it's performing typically.

RX 480 > reference 290X (single digit % difference) isn't exactly unusual. Y

It's more that Fury X is actually making some use of those TFLOPs. This is Fiji exceptionalism more than Hawaii gimping. And that's good news to me, as it is rare to see indeed. 290X being within 20-30% of a Fury X in many games is actually the bad thing we've just gotten used to.

edit: PC Games Hardware has that typical 20-30% over the 390. Maybe GameGPU is an outlier. We'll need to see more, but either way Hawaii is fine.
 
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Well, 290X is edging out its direct (often costlier) competitors the 780 Ti and 970. In that sense, it's performing typically.

RX 480 > reference 290X (single digit % difference) isn't exactly unusual. Y

It's more that Fury X is actually making some use of those TFLOPs. This is Fiji exceptionalism more than Hawaii gimping. And that's good news to me, as it is rare to see indeed. 290X being within 20-30% of a Fury X in many games is actually the bad thing we've just gotten used to.

edit: PC Games Hardware has that typical 20-30% over the 390. Maybe GameGPU is an outlier. We'll need to see more, but either way Hawaii is fine.
People always seem to forget about the gtx980 and how well it overclocks.
A properly clocked 980 will be mabe 10% slower than a gtx980ti.
Certainly in the ballpark of a Fury card.
 

Thinker_145

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People always seem to forget about the gtx980 and how well it overclocks.
A properly clocked 980 will be mabe 10% slower than a gtx980ti.
Certainly in the ballpark of a Fury card.
Overclocking seems to have gone out of GPU comparison discussions perhaps because AMD cards don't overclock much at all released in the last 2 years.
 

Bacon1

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Overclocking seems to have gone out of GPU comparison discussions perhaps because AMD cards don't overclock much at all released in the last 2 years.

Or maybe because most people don't OC anyway. Not to mention all forms of perf/watt get ignored on those OC results even though the power usage goes crazy when OCing.

The cards are boosting in the reviews, which is an auto OC. If Nvidia wanted higher results in the benchmarks maybe they should have higher factory clocks? Boost is already a nice bonus in benchmarks with limited time runs, just look at the 1070/1080 FE results where the throttling wasn't noticed in most reviews since the benchmark runs were under 5 minutes.
 

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Or maybe because most people don't OC anyway. Not to mention all forms of perf/watt get ignored on those OC results even though the power usage goes crazy when OCing.

The cards are boosting in the reviews, which is an auto OC. If Nvidia wanted higher results in the benchmarks maybe they should have higher factory clocks? Boost is already a nice bonus in benchmarks with limited time runs, just look at the 1070/1080 FE results where the throttling wasn't noticed in most reviews since the benchmark runs were under 5 minutes.

Most people talking on a forum about graphics cards don't overclock? Ya not buying that for a second.

Secondly even if we take out manual OC from the equation the majority buys after market cards which reflect the overclocking capability of a card. If a reference card can be overclocked 30% we will see aftermarket cards which are 15% faster than reference. If a reference card can be overclocked by 10% max you will never see an aftermarket card with much difference at all. So comparing reference vs reference is never representative of the real world performance unless 2 cards have about equal OC headroom.

Sure the reviewers who don't give proper runs to the hardware are not doing it right. I never said otherwise. People who overclock don't give two hoots about power consumption. People who care so much about it probably shouldn't be gaming on a desktop PC anyways. People who care so much about it have no business buying AMD anyways. Oops.

I am pretty sure a max OC 980 still handily beats a max OC 390X and a max OC 970 should atleast be equal to the max OC 390. But ofcourse we must ignore that.
 

tential

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Then find some data that can support your claims now. I'm sure you can find some Max OC results of these cards that are RECENT.
 
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Bacon1

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Most people talking on a forum about graphics cards don't overclock? Ya not buying that for a second.

Ok then prove that most people on the forums run their cards at max OC consistently. I gave up OCing many years ago when I realize how terrible it was perf/watt and how much extra heat it gave off (and that was with Nvidia not AMD). Now I undervolt instead of OCing
 

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I think a lot of people OC, or at least do some form of tweaking, such as you mentioned, undervolting. It depends on card and situation I suppose.
 

PhonakV30

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I prefer to have card with max stable OC like AMD FX-9590.tired of doing OC every day.
 

Face2Face

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One of you guys should start a poll thread about the matter. Should help clear some things up.
 

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Or maybe because most people don't OC anyway. Not to mention all forms of perf/watt get ignored on those OC results even though the power usage goes crazy when OCing.

The cards are boosting in the reviews, which is an auto OC. If Nvidia wanted higher results in the benchmarks maybe they should have higher factory clocks? Boost is already a nice bonus in benchmarks with limited time runs, just look at the 1070/1080 FE results where the throttling wasn't noticed in most reviews since the benchmark runs were under 5 minutes.

How can I unlike this post? Haha so bad.

Since the vast majority of Maxwell and Pascal cards don't need voltage adjustments to get near-max overclocks, power consumption only goes up linearly with the % to clock speed increases. GTX 1070 goes up by 20-25 watts (~15% increase in power consumption for 10-15% increase in FPS). 980 TI goes up by 50-65 watts (~20-30% power increase for 25% increase in FPS). Unlike RX 480 that needs voltage and has a 80-100 watt increase in power consumption (50-66% increase) for a 10% gain in performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/31

People on this forum overclock.... No wait, let me rephrase. People on this forum that buy cards capable overclocking overclock.
 
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crisium

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How did all of this old come from the erroneous claim that Hawaii is sandbagging in For Honor?

*checks for first post to mention overclocking*

It was a from nowhere post anyway that had nothing to do with anything we see in the benchmarks.
 

Bacon1

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How can I unlike this post? Haha so bad.

Since the vast majority of Maxwell and Pascal cards don't need voltage adjustments to get near-max overclocks, power consumption only goes up linearly with the % to clock speed increases. GTX 1070 goes up by 20-25 watts (~15% increase in power consumption for 10-15% increase in FPS). 980 TI goes up by 50-65 watts (~20-30% power increase for 25% increase in FPS). Unlike RX 480 that needs voltage and has a 80-100 watt increase in power consumption (50-66% increase) for a 10% gain in performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/31

People on this forum overclock.... No wait, let me rephrase. People on this forum that buy cards capable overclocking overclock.

Can I "unlike" this post? Did you bother to check the numbers?

You say "unlike the RX 480 which needs voltage"... uhh so does the 980 ti? From the page you linked:

Max Voltage 1.187v (stock) 1.23v (OC)

Finally, let’s see the cost of overclocking in terms of power, temperature, and noise. For the GTX 1080FE, the power cost at the wall proves to be rather significant.

They are using full system power not just GPU power alone.

perf/watt gets worse as you OC

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_Z/27.html

http://i.imgur.com/xyuTnwO.png

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-10.html

And you talked about how its linear... completely wrong:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/R/M/589378/original/01-Power-Consumption-vs-Gaming-Performance-FPS.png

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,4585-8.html

I'm not going to continue this discussion as its off topic. If you want to provide some OC results for For Honor along with the power consumption differences please do so.
 
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tential

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How can I unlike this post? Haha so bad.

Since the vast majority of Maxwell and Pascal cards don't need voltage adjustments to get near-max overclocks, power consumption only goes up linearly with the % to clock speed increases. GTX 1070 goes up by 20-25 watts (~15% increase in power consumption for 10-15% increase in FPS). 980 TI goes up by 50-65 watts (~20-30% power increase for 25% increase in FPS). Unlike RX 480 that needs voltage and has a 80-100 watt increase in power consumption (50-66% increase) for a 10% gain in performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/31

People on this forum overclock.... No wait, let me rephrase. People on this forum that buy cards capable overclocking overclock.
You have to have an agenda to downplay Nvidia ocing currently. I'm an amd user and I have no intention of switching to Nvidia fully in future (maybe an Nvidia rig for some moba gaming) but that's the first thing I tell all my friends to do is oc their Nvidia cards.

This is an enthusiast forum, we can't downplay Nvidia ocing potential. Amd just doesn't have that same potential. I don't oc with amd because I'll get very little perf for lots of heat. For Nvidia... It's a no Brainer to oc in most situations.
 
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Bacon1

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This is the latest video for some people who thinks that Fury X OC is competitive with GTX 980 Ti OC. AMD will never be competitive with nvidia in terms of OC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkE8mtVv_yg

I don't think anyone has ever said that Fury can OC as well as a 980 Ti, not even Pascal can. The 980 Ti had very low clocks at launch which is why it OC's so well.

The only thing thats wrong is saying that there is no extra power consumption which is flat out wrong and has been proven so, and you just once again proved as well. It used ~23% more power (~100w for rest of system).

Can we please get this thread back on topic?. Go create another 980 TI OCing thread if you want to talk about it. This is supposed to be about For Honor Benchmarks. Its open beta this weekend so try it out and post some results.
 

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I don't think anyone has ever said that Fury can OC as well as a 980 Ti, not even Pascal can. The 980 Ti had very low clocks at launch which is why it OC's so well.

The only thing thats wrong is saying that there is no extra power consumption which is flat out wrong and has been proven so, and you just once again proved as well. It used ~23% more power (~100w for rest of system).

Can we please get this thread back on topic?. Go create another 980 TI OCing thread if you want to talk about it. This is supposed to be about For Honor Benchmarks. Its open beta this weekend so try it out and post some results.
U understood in a wrong way. What i am saying is that Fury X can never compete with a GTX 980 Ti when it comes to overclocking performance. This is the reason people are ready to spend 4 figures bucks on Nvidia card due to that they have miles better user experience compare to AMD. This is one of the reason why AMD is not a competition to Nvidia on high end GPUs.

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PhonakV30

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U understood in a wrong way. What i am saying is that Fury X can never compete with a GTX 980 Ti when it comes to overclocking performance. This is the reason people are ready to spend 4 figures bucks on Nvidia card due to that they have miles better user experience compare to AMD. This is one of the reason why AMD is not a competition to Nvidia on high end GPUs.

You don't get it , do you? This is For honor's Thread Not Fury X vs GTX980 Ti , Whatever you say.
 
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