For Iranophobes

[eits]

http://www.nytimes.com/package...RAN_FEATURE/index.html

comment.

edit: this was made back in '04, i believe, but the answers people give during the interviews still are valid.

 

[K1052]

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[palehorse]

Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens - in them actually lie our greatest hope!

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: K1052
link not working

thanks for the heads-up.

link fixed.

 

[daveymark]

correct link

edit the OP to inlcude the working one

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens - in them actually lie our greatest hope!

your tone's changed since about 8 or so months ago. what happened?

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens - in them actually lie our greatest hope!

well said.

/thread

 

[Aimster]

Iran's government is not a threat to the U.S.
Believing so shows you are a victim of your own government's propaganda.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's government is not a threat to the U.S.
Believing so shows you are a victim of your own government's propaganda.

Many governments are not a direct threat to the US.

However, they are a direct threat to their neighbors and to the world at large.

When the leadership of a country makes threats against another, it is advisable to take the threats with at least a grain of salt.

Then looking at the track record of the country can allow one to be more concerned vs just expelling hot air.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens - in them actually lie our greatest hope!

your tone's changed since about 8 or so months ago. what happened?

no, it actually hasn't. you just tended to see what you wanted to see in my posts, and then you clumped me together with every other person you disagree with in one big anti-eits club.

I have never approved of calls for war with Iran, and I have never grouped all muslims together in ridiculous blanket statements about their faith. These are things some other posters do, but you and Aimster often forget my normally moderate approach to these issues whenever I say a single thing that you don't agree with.

now, perhaps you'll stop doing so? we'll see...

 

[Aimster]

Iran's President who is not the leader of Iran has said "Israel's regime must be wiped off the map".
The regime of Iran has also made threats to the regime of the U.S.

How many times has the U.S made direct threats against the Iranian Regime? The U.S has called to wipe off the Iranian regime from the map too.
Iran's full name is: The Islamic Republic of Iran.
Israel can be called : The Jewish State of Israel.

The question is which one of these nations actually have taken steps to eliminate the other's regime?
The answer? The United States assisted the Arabs in their invasion of Iran by providing them the means to acquire and deliver chemical weapons.

Iran has simply handed groups formed during war-time/violence small arms to fight an invading or occupying force. The U.S handed an invading force weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is which one of these nations actually have taken steps to eliminate the other's regime?
The answer? The United States assisted the Arabs in their invasion of Iran by providing them the means to acquire and deliver chemical weapons.

The USA not only provided WMD's but also intelligence and economic aid.

 

[piasabird]

Just listen to what Iran says, then look at what Iran does. Actions speak louder than words. They support terrorism, they train people to make IED better, they supply extremely powerful explosive devices to terrorists. We have caught them inside Iraq reaching out to their Terrorist friends to kill our soldiers, they support Hezbolah. They sent Iranian soldiers to Lebanon to fight against Isreal in the terrorist war in Lebanon. They kidnapped sailors from the UK and lied about it. Do you really think you can still trust these liars and sons of liars?

They stormed our US Embassy in Tehran and kidnapped the occupants and held them ransome. They attacked our embassy, thus they attacked our very soil. Yet we have not taken any action against Iran, because the USA is run by Cowards. If Kennedy was in office he would have taken military action.


If you want to make belive and live in fairy fairy land where all Iranians love us and cant wait to kiss you on your cheek then be my guest. Go to never-never land in Iran and see if you can be arrested because you are a grandmother wanting to visit her relatives and be arrested as a spy.

Iran is not the friend of any western country; they want to kill you and chop your head off.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's government is not a threat to the U.S.
Believing so shows you are a victim of your own government's propaganda.

And to believe your BS, we'd have to suspend disbelief. :laugh:

Iran's population is increasingly young and more liberal than the old geezers. I agree we should do as much as possible to encourage the average citizen to overthrow the Ahmadenijad regime; But we must be prepared to use force if necessary.

 

[Lemon law]

With wiser foreign policy the US turned the former enemies of Germany and Japan into allies. We are now at nearly year 30 of dumber foreign policy failing to do the same with Iran. After the overthrow of the Shah who the US installed in the first place, we aided Iraq in a war against Iran and continually engage Iran with a diplomatic policy of poking them with sharp sticks and name calling. And we wonder why Iran is not friendly?

Except for Israel you would have to look under the belly of snakes to find a nation less popular in the mid-east than the USA. Certain national leaders may not oppose the US, but the men and woman on the street hate our foreign policy and for very good reasons. And the biggest drop has come in the last six years.

That fact alone puts our position in grave future peril. We have lost any semblance to the moral high ground we used to have.

 

[piasabird]

You are full of baloney. Beleive in the actions of the offending idiots, not what they say. You will believe anything idiots say about Iran. I believe only in what I see Iran is doing. There were probably plenty of nice people in Germany before Hitler invaded Europe.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
That fact alone puts our position in grave future peril. We have lost any semblance to the moral high ground we used to have.

Moral high ground? :laugh:

I think it might be wise to be a bit more concerned with the safety and security of Americans than some hypothetical "moral" standing somewhere. Morals won't do you any good 6 feet under.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: piasabird
If you want to make belive and live in fairy fairy land where all Iranians love us and cant wait to kiss you on your cheek then be my guest. Go to never-never land in Iran and see if you can be arrested because you are a grandmother wanting to visit her relatives and be arrested as a spy.

Iran is not the friend of any western country; they want to kill you and chop your head off.

If Iranians hate us so much then why did thousands of them hold a candlelight vigil for 9/11 victims a week after the attacks?

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: piasabird
...Iran is not the friend of any western country; they want to kill you and chop your head off...

:beer::laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
If Iranians hate us so much then why did thousands of them hold a candlelight vigil for 9/11 victims a week after the attacks?

Thousands, eh? What's the population of Iran again?

And perhaps you missed similar videos with "thousands" more cheering and burning American flags, in total support with the terrorists. (And not just in Iran...)

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran is not the friend of any western country; they want to kill you and chop your head off.

CONVERT OR DIE!

Everyone else is an infidel.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Our problems have never been with the common Iranian citizens - in them actually lie our greatest hope!

Agreed, but I don't think enough people see it that way. Our current "war on terrorism" looks an awful lot like a "war on Islam", and while I doubt the average Iranian likes what the fanatics have done with their religion, I don't think they'll appreciate the way we treat Islam either. Our attitude that Islam=Terrorist is going to do a major part of making sure that is true.

 

[Pabster]

Sadly, Rainsford, we don't really know. The lack of outcry and action from so-called "moderate" Muslims has been far and few between. That's a big part of the problem IMHO.

 

[db]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's government is not a threat to the U.S.
Believing so shows you are a victim of your own government's propaganda.

:thumbsup:

What did Iran have to do with 9/11? (Or Iraq, for that matter?) Nothing.

How about Saudi Arabia? Most of the hijackers were from S/A. Are we at war with Saudi Arabia? No, the royal family is family friends with the Bush family.

Would the President of the United States lie to his own people? Duh!

Will 30% of the population ever understand this? No. Never. They would march over a cliff just b/c he convinced them to.

Would 30% EVER believe that the President would intentionally lie, causing the needless death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people? No. Never. Ever.

This is why Hitler was able to do what he did. And why Bush can do what he does.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Sadly, Rainsford, we don't really know. The lack of outcry and action from so-called "moderate" Muslims has been far and few between. That's a big part of the problem IMHO.

stfu... outcry's been there. media doesn't listen.

you're completely oblivious.