For manufacturing districts, the wave is red

[blackangst1]

LOL...who you kidding?

Why is this happening? What benefits have the GOP brought in since being elected? How have those economies gone since then?

I have no idea and neither do you. Unless your familiar with the politics of those areas?

 

[dank69]

I hear it's pretty common for abused spouses to keep going back for more.

 

[Jhhnn]

And we have only hit the tip of the iceberg. Technological advancment isn't a good bogeyman though.

It's merely the truth. Capitalism is streamlining the path where money flows from the bottom to the top & they're losing less profit to labor all the time.

 

[Engineer]

I have no idea and neither do you. Unless your familiar with the politics of those areas?

I have an idea of manufacturing though.....much more than you I would guess.

Based on your answer, the only reason you posted this was because it was a GOP 'wave' as you say. Nothing more.

 

[blackangst1]

Guess you didn't catch where I said it's interesting? Which it is. Manufacturing (or blue collar) was a strong hold of the Democratic party. Maybe the top 20 districts switching from blue to red doesn't seem significant to you?

And... The forum is called politics and news. This is both.

I have an idea of manufacturing though.....much more than you I would guess.

Based on your answer, the only reason you posted this was because it was a GOP 'wave' as you say. Nothing more.

 

[Engineer]

Guess you didn't catch where I said it's interesting? Which it is. Manufacturing (or blue collar) was a strong hold of the Democratic party. Maybe the top 20 districts switching from blue to red doesn't seem significant to you?

And... The forum is called politics and news. This is both.

Sure, it's significant. Again, why has it happened? What benefit has the GOP brought to those areas?

You think it's interesting because of the GOP red wave, nothing more.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure, it's significant. Again, why has it happened? What benefit has the GOP brought to those areas?

You think it's interesting because of the GOP red wave, nothing more.

Yes. Because it is.

And again. I'm not in those areas so I don't know about local politics.

 

[sandorski]

Yup. Wages have actually gone down 1.4% since the republican corporate tax cut IIRC...

As a contrast and the nth reason to hate Canada, Wages have been rising by 3% this year.

 

[Jaskalas]

What was once a Democratic stronghold, is now solid red. Interesting, and the constituents are turning away from the Dems. Im not going to bad mouth them, because the loss of seats probably stings enough..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-now-a-gop-haven/ar-AAAjj35?ocid=mailsignout

After the 1992 election, 15 of the 20 most manufacturing-intensive Congressional districts in America were represented by Democrats. Today, all 20 are held by Republicans.

Reading that article clearly points to the economic reason desperate victims of trickle down clung to Trump's populist message of trade wars. They are hurting, looking for someone to blame, and don't know any better. Democrats managed to leave these people behind. It is not enough to simply be anti Trump, or anti Republican. One must carry with them an economic message that gives these workers hope for a better future.

That positivity was completely absent in 2016. Of the two messages, it was Trump's take on the economy that people heard.
Now it is time we had an economic message to resonate with voters. Trump's agenda cannot go unanswered.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Reading that article clearly points to the economic reason desperate victims of trickle down clung to Trump's populist message of trade wars. They are hurting, looking for someone to blame, and don't know any better. Democrats managed to leave these people behind. It is not enough to simply be anti Trump, or anti Republican. One must carry with them an economic message that gives these workers hope for a better future.

That positivity was completely absent in 2016. Of the two messages, it was Trump's take on the economy that people heard.
Now it is time we had an economic message to resonate with voters. Trump's agenda cannot go unanswered.

You do know that, based on exit polls, Clinton beat Trump in the under $50,000/year income group by 11 points don't you? She pretty much tied at over $100,000/yr and barely lost the $50,000 to $100,000 group.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/groups-voted-2016/

 

[imported_tajmahal]

What was once a Democratic stronghold, is now solid red. Interesting, and the constituents are turning away from the Dems. Im not going to bad mouth them, because the loss of seats probably stings enough..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-now-a-gop-haven/ar-AAAjj35?ocid=mailsignout

After the 1992 election, 15 of the 20 most manufacturing-intensive Congressional districts in America were represented by Democrats. Today, all 20 are held by Republicans.

You are posting this in a forum where the far left of center members will tell you that Venezuela and Nicaragua are little socialist heavens here on earth and that if America wants to be just like those glorious places they just need to vote in more Democrat/Socialists.

 

[whm1974]

You are posting this in a forum where the far left of center members will tell you that Venezuela and Nicaragua are little socialist heavens here on earth and that if America wants to be just like those glorious places they just need to vote in more Democrat/Socialists.

Finland and Sweden would be far better examples.

 

[feralkid]

You are posting this in a forum where the far left of center members will tell you that Venezuela and Nicaragua are little socialist heavens here on earth and that if America wants to be just like those glorious places they just need to vote in more Democrat/Socialists.

Not really.

No one has ever done the things you are claiming.

However, you are the one who advocated tossing grenades at immigrant children.

 

[Jaskalas]

You do know that, based on exit polls, Clinton beat Trump in the under $50,000/year income group by 11 points don't you? She pretty much tied at over $100,000/yr and barely lost the $50,000 to $100,000 group.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/groups-voted-2016/

And is that broken down by the swing states, whose votes determined the President? No.

Plus, what is the purpose of this. Do you refute our need to connect to the working poor?

 

[brycejones]

As a contrast and the nth reason to hate Canada, Wages have been rising by 3% this year.

Don't worry Trump will find a way to fuck your economy.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are posting this in a forum where the far left of center members will tell you that Venezuela and Nicaragua are little socialist heavens here on earth and that if America wants to be just like those glorious places they just need to vote in more Democrat/Socialists.

liar

 

[sandorski]

Don't worry Trump will find a way to fuck your economy.

That is the crux, he is already trying.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Reading that article clearly points to the economic reason desperate victims of trickle down clung to Trump's populist message of trade wars. They are hurting, looking for someone to blame, and don't know any better. Democrats managed to leave these people behind. It is not enough to simply be anti Trump, or anti Republican. One must carry with them an economic message that gives these workers hope for a better future.

That positivity was completely absent in 2016. Of the two messages, it was Trump's take on the economy that people heard.
Now it is time we had an economic message to resonate with voters. Trump's agenda cannot go unanswered.

If they think they we're hurting before, b-b-b-baby you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's not too late for you.
#walkaway

 

[Moonbeam]

When it ceaces to be true sure thing sport!

Nope. Im done playing nice. Its worked so well the past 18 years...

Nope. Derp will be fought with Derp...

Hate will be returned with hate...

Keep being a posterboy for why Conservatives think they can run roughshod over us poor pathetic liberals...

Time to sack up or continue to be part of the problem...

Yeah, I guess it's your sack that made you so tough and determines in the face of being called poor and pathetic. Maybe you've been feeling that way all along. You wanna have sack? Go get yourself crucified on purpose so you can tell those who fell for it that they've been forgiven. You find those assholes so disgusting that they think you are the one who is poor and pathetic. Open your God Damned eyes. Who really are the poor and pathetic ones and who thinks they should be treated with contempt. Your choice is to love or become what you hate. If you have a sack you will suffer and strive never let that suffering redirect itself to others. You are full of rage because you hurt and do not want to hurt. If you don't want to hurt than feel it so it becomes real. Then your hurt will heal. You have such a great sense of humor. Use it to laugh at yourself. Sorry if I seem cruel but your pain is so familiar it makes me want to do something for you. We have this tremendous friend and ender of suffering hidden inside us.

 

[Engineer]

It's merely the truth. Capitalism is streamlining the path where money flows from the bottom to the top & they're losing less profit to labor all the time.

Sadly, yes.

 

[Zorba]

Democrats need to spend as much time talking about union rights and workers rights as they do transsexual rights. I am pro-transsexual rights, but at the end that will be a deciding issue for a very small minority of voters and almost all of them are going to vote Dem anyways.

And while automation has taken away a lot of jobs, so has outsourcing and just undercutting by countries with low/no environmental, safety, and pay regulations. Democrats should admit that reality and talk about fair trade, too.

Although I still think dems care about blue-collar people and are the best choice for them, I think Dems have done a poor job of selling it, especially in 2016.

 

[nickqt]

Sadly, yes.

Capitalism is owned and operated by capitalists, i.e. the owners and operators. Executives, upper management, shareholders.

Laborers had unions, which have been losing their ability to unite workers, since the late 1940s. Taft-Hartley being one of the first real damaging laws made to limit the power of labor. The unions have been losing more and more power since then. One reason why manufacturing/laborers have shifted from Democrat to Republican. Without someone vociferously backing you, its much easier to settle for crumbs. Or trickle-down. Same concept.

Capitalists, who are even remotely capable, are of course going to soak up almost all of the profits, while paying labor the least amount possible under the law.

The cost of labor is something that will always be targeted. The US was essentially built by slaves, and even free, paid workers have been called "wage slaves" by people who didn't need to work for someone else. Because that is essentially what they are.

Laborers will continue to be cut out as they are no longer needed. Capitalists in the 1940s and 1950s would brag about how in the future, robots would be doing the work, and man oh man, would labor love their shorter work weeks. Well, the robots part is coming true, and their abilities will only increase. The work week, though. Still essentially where it was. With wage stagflation needing boosts of credit just to keep up.

There are plenty of reasonable solutions to this upcoming glut of labor, but we can only get there if we're able to talk about it like reasonable adults.

Unfortunately, anything remotely close to not requiring every 18+ adult to dig ditches gets lobbed into communism and FreeShit™ by people with no understanding of how economics can't just stay the way it was 40 years ago, forever.

There are ways to prevent an economic collapse if/when robots and technology essentially replace another 10% of the labor force. But try having a conversation with someone who believes we all have to dig coal or put together widgets or its communism and FreeShit™. Those people just aren't capable of the reasonable, rational conversation required.

 

[woolfe9998]

Read this & get back to me-

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Excellent piece. Highly recommend.

 

[greatnoob]

As a contrast and the nth reason to hate Canada, Wages have been rising by 3% this year.

Is that an increase in real or nominal wages? If I remember correctly, wages in OECD member countries have barely kept up with inflation