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dank69

Lifer
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If that were inevitable, then dems wouldn't have won 6 of last 7 popular votes.

No spell is unbreakable. What Dems have lacked is a credible counterargument in terms of economic policy, and have not been able to control narratives around this issue in a generation.

Where dems have succeded in this is on social issues, particular around racial, gender and sexuality equality.

They need to get back the prosperity trust that FDR built, but have been steadily losing since Reagan.

The R platform is built on fraud and lies. It can topple if given the right kick.
$5 and the popular vote might get you a coffee at Starbucks.

Maybe you haven't gotten the memo but the Democrats' positions on social issues has earned them a reputation as being divisive. Their economic positions have earned them a reputation as Venezuela 2.0 that must be stopped at all costs.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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$5 and the popular vote might get you a coffee at Starbucks.

Maybe you haven't gotten the memo but the Democrats' positions on social issues has earned them a reputation as being divisive. Their economic positions have earned them a reputation as Venezuela 2.0 that must be stopped at all costs.

And that's what I meant about shit messaging and communication strategy if you believe they are mostly right on technical policy arguments & objectives (like providing a social safety net, refrormed/nationalized HC and need for greater income equality, decriminalization of drug use.)
 

dank69

Lifer
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And that's what I meant about shit messaging and communication strategy if you believe they are mostly right on technical policy arguments & objectives (like providing a social safety net, refrormed/nationalized HC and need for greater income equality, decriminalization of drug use.)
It would be nice if Democrats were perfect. It would be nice if we could afford to be picky. So why do Democrats have to be perfect when half of America is happy to elect the GOP whose platform consists of raping everyone in the ass with no lube? "Well Democrats aren't coming out strong enough for legalization so I guess I'll vote for the GOP who will actively fight it." "Well the Democrats don't have a solid healthcare plan so I guess I'll vote for the GOP who don't even hide the fact that they want to make it worse." "I know I should be making more money but the Democrats' policy means some lazy black people might get some of my tax money so I guess some more trickle-down might work this time." "The Democrats didn't even hum the last time they blew me so I'll pick the party in the leather ski mask standing by the rack and holding a pear of anguish."
 

Jhhnn

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$5 and the popular vote might get you a coffee at Starbucks.

Maybe you haven't gotten the memo but the Democrats' positions on social issues has earned them a reputation as being divisive. Their economic positions have earned them a reputation as Venezuela 2.0 that must be stopped at all costs.

That's insane. What Dem positions are divisive?
 

senseamp

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Dems do need to drop the gun control thing, especially now that we have a serious threat of fascism emerging in the country.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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Dems do need to drop the gun control thing, especially now that we have a serious threat of fascism emerging in the country.
I've been saying that for decades. Not because it's bad policy but because it's bad election policy.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Free trade is a bullshit term right up there with right to work,

both sound good on the surface but once you dig deeper you realize what it's all about, right to work means employers don't have to deal with things like unions and it's for their benefit not the employees

Free trade, more like freedom from living wages, EPA, OSHA, labor rights, etc.

As for the bullshit of automation, sorry that is another false flag bogeyman corporate America likes you to parrot and blame while you drink the corporate Koolaid, so you won't sober up and realize the American lifestyle is subsidized on the backs of others under conditions and wages Americans would refuse to work under, but as long as the corporate dogs shit in foreign yards and don't shit in yours you give them a free pass in exchange for your low prices.

http://theweek.com/articles/486362/where-americas-jobs-went

Remind me what party/ideology you generally support please.

Your concern about weaker regulations overseas is a fair one. Its also one that the TPP was looking to begin to address, although not perfectly.
 

zzyzxroad

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If Dems really want gun control, they should start getting armed. Then GOP will want gun control in a hurry.

I’d really like to see a million+ armed people matching to defend their right to both open carry and protect Roe v. Wade.
 
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Jhhnn

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So it's like the "you're the real racists!" routine, huh?

I think everybody knows whose pitch is divisive, including Trump voters. Us against them, Baby! It's the story of every wedge issue the GOP has ever used to divide America, particularly to spread the FUD among White Americans.

It's worked well for them since Gingrich but the electoral advantage in that is fading fast due to demographic changes. It's why they engage in voter suppression & gerrymandering, as well, to hold power as a minority.
 

K1052

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Trump is going to announce billions in subsidies today to prop up the AG economy after he obliterated a good chunk of the export market, paid for by more debt of course.

Manufacturing sector is gonna start wondering where it's sugar is now as metals tariffs continue to chomp on users.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Sometimes the right action is to force the people who voted for Republicans to live with the consequences of their votes. If that means automating their jobs away while Republicans gut the safety net, so be it.

It's not a choice, we don't have the power to stop then. What we should be doing is crafting a platform appealing enough to erode Republican power.
 

senseamp

Lifer
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It's not a choice, we don't have the power to stop then. What we should be doing is crafting a platform appealing enough to erode Republican power.
Automate, automate, automate, and let the chips fall where they may. Platform is already there, it's not appealing because people are spoiled by decades of New Deal policies. Let them fend for themselves.
 
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And that's what I meant about shit messaging and communication strategy if you believe they are mostly right on technical policy arguments & objectives (like providing a social safety net, refrormed/nationalized HC and need for greater income equality, decriminalization of drug use.)

You're perfectly showing exactly that Republican/conservative propaganda works. You know where I get my messaging from? What they actually fucking work on when in political office. What politicians say isn't fit to wipe my ass with (although it actually has become meaningful, mostly because Republicans keep dropping the pretense that they give a shit about anything but being hateful and corrupt disgusting pieces of shit; and Democrats actually work on the shit they talk about - and often do it quite successfully, which is not to say its without problems but any fucking adult realizes that's going to be inherent in trying to set policy and laws for a diverse country of 350+ million people). Yet people keep spouting "both sides" and say how politicians just offer empty words and branding. Then you're mad because you can't be bothered to care about what they actually fucking do. And then you fucking blame the Democrats for their poor messaging. Yet you'll also go around bitching when they do talk up the stuff they've done (happens all the time, I heard no end of people bitching about the Dems "lying about Obamacare" and all sorts of other shit, and when pressed on it reveal they don't know jack shit about fucking anything they're spouting off about). Its absurd and because of the constant propaganda you keep running in idiotic circles.

Dems do need to drop the gun control thing, especially now that we have a serious threat of fascism emerging in the country.

The Dems and Republicans used to actually be pretty comparable on that issue. And the Democrats did little to address it (Obama really had no interest in approaching it, but was forced to because we kept having situations where someone would go and fucking murder dozens of others, and America was sick of it).

Again, you show exactly that Republican/conservative propaganda works. The Democrats take up that cause because of the outpouring of people begging them to stop all the killing.

Yet here you people bleat on about how they need to listen to the people. They do and then you assholes condemn them constantly.

I get what your point is, that it would appease the fucking idiots who are single-issue gun rights above all voters, plenty of whom are sick of the Republicans but keep voting for them because of their twisted ass interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. But I hope you realize that also will set a really goddamn bad precedent, and signal that the Democrats are very willing to compromise their rationality for the sake of votes. And then you'll see them backslide to the willful ignorance that Republicans are so keen on.

I just think you're wrong that Democrats tout that as heavily as you act like they do. Or that you think them cowtowing to the NRA would be a good thing to do, even if it meant potential short term benefits of stopping the insanity that the GOP has become.

It would shatter what the Democrats have shown. That, yes, they did used to be ignorant much like the Republicans, but that given time and information, they can see the error of their ways and eschew them for rational, logical, coherent, ideas that are supported by actual data. Compromise that, and you compromise everything.

And yes, I get that things are so fucked that Republicans want gun control, but just for those non-white people they're so goddamned terrified of. And just their insanity with regards to gun control in general. I just disagree, and they absolutely should fully come out against he NRA. What they need to do is show how the NRA is the one politicizing the gun issue, and show their ties to Russia and the GOP's corruption. But its like you guys can't make up your mind. Should they grow a fucking backbone of become chickenshits and bow to the NRA?
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Automate, automate, automate, and let the chips fall where they may. Platform is already there, it's not appealing because people are spoiled by decades of New Deal policies. Let them fend for themselves.

FYGM, obviously.
 
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