For Neda

[PJABBER]

As tensions in the Middle East continue to rise, as Iranian "relief" ships journey toward a direct confrontation and provocation of the Israeli blockade of Iran's puppet Hamas, as the world casts back and forth endlessly debating Iran's rush toward nuclear weapons and the likelihood of Israel, and maybe others, responding, it becomes important to define why every Iranian, why every Israeli, why every Brit or American or Egyptian or Saudi should condemn Iranian adventurism.

Iran is not a monolithic country. It is a place with disparate populations caught in the grip of a violent theocratic and oppressive government fully comparable in those senses to any to be found in history. As an autocratic state, it controls the flow of information. As a dictatorial state it works intently to suppress opposition.

But, unlike how easy this was to accomplish in the past, the modern era is one where ordinary citizens command a global technology and communication advantage in the form of cell phones, handicams and the Internet. And they tell a story that belies the Iranian government propaganda spin.

One recent event captured the essence of what Iran is today.

HBO, at great risk, recently produced an extraordinary documentary of this event and the circumstances that surround it. It can be seen in English, Arabic and Farsi.

You owe it to yourself to watch and to understand why the world should stand against Iran's violent theocratic government and with the citizens of Iran that seek a freedom not currently possible there.

We can fully expect the blindered apologists for Islamic theocracy and oppression on this forum to respond with their claims of equivalent faults in the democratic and culturally liberal West, in Israel. But it is what we see being faced by the Iranian people, and what that Islamic theocracy wants to export throughout the world, that requires our deepest understanding and our strongest condemnation.

FOR NEDA (English)

FOR NEDA (Arabic)

FOR NEDA (Farsi)

Neda Agha-Soltan

(Persian: ندا آقا سلطان - Nedā Āġā-Soltān; b 1982 - d June 20, 2009)

Iran can't hide its shame

BY TRUDY RUBIN

The Philadelphia Inquirer
Monday, 06.14.10

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is using the Gaza flotilla episode to distract attention from the anniversary of his rigged reelection -- and from a fourth round of U.N. sanctions passed Wednesday to rein in Tehran's nuclear program.

But the Iranian leader's denunciations of the deaths in the botched Israeli raid can't erase images of scores of dead Iranian civilians mowed down as they peacefully protested election fraud after the June 12, 2009, ballot. Those images have been preserved for posterity on YouTube.

None is more iconic than that of Neda Agha-Soltan, the beautiful young music student whose death from a militiaman's bullet was captured in a cell-phone video clip that went viral. The undimmed power of that scene is demonstrated by Iran's panicky efforts to jam domestic satellite transmissions this week as Voice of America' broadcasted the Farsi version of a new HBO documentary, For Neda.

The film contains the first public interviews with Neda's family and testimony from a doctor who tried to save her as she bled to death on the street. Go to YouTube, type in ``This is For Neda,'' watch the documentary and weep.

Neda's death, along with Iran's torture and murder of so many other protesters, makes a mockery of Ahmadinejad's efforts to pontificate about the flotilla fiasco -- and of reports that the Iranian Red Crescent Society will dispatch its own aid convoy to Gaza. Her indelible image reminds us that the Iranian regime's claim to legitimacy was shattered by the events of the last year.

The documentary shows clips of bystanders seizing the identity papers of Neda's killer, apparently a member of the basij militia, whose name it reveals. But Iranian officials were so terrified of Neda's power in death that they immediately concocted absurd claims about her murder, at one point suggesting that she was a U.S. and British agent who faked her death by pouring blood on her face. Later, they blamed the shooting on a BBC television correspondent in Tehran.

Iran's intelligence ministry is reportedly due to release its own documentary on Neda's death. The Guardian of London reports that her family was pressured to cooperate in its making. They bravely refused.

One year after the rigged elections, the Iranian government is also expanding its continuing crackdown on journalists, academics, lawyers, students, clerics, political and rights activists and others who have protested the rigged ballots. Hundreds of them remain in prison, along with members of religious minorities such as the Baha'is, who have been scapegoated for the unrest.

A report released this week by Amnesty International, From Protest to Prison, documents widespread torture of Iranian political prisoners, including rapes, mock executions and electric shocks administered to private parts of the body.

``The Iranian government is determined to silence all dissenting voices, while at the same time trying to avoid all scrutiny by the international community into the violations connected to the postelection unrest,'' said Claudio Cordone, Amnesty International's interim secretary general.

Also this week, the U.S.-based Boroumand Foundation, which documents Iranian human-rights violations, released the results of a detailed inquiry into Iran's 1988 mass execution of thousands of political prisoners, mostly on charges of apostasy. The report charges the regime with serious breaches of international law. Iranian officials have long covered up the killings, but the report names a long list of current top Iranian officials who it says were directly involved in the atrocity.

These reports are a reminder that -- whatever Israel's errors in the flotilla fiasco and the Gaza blockade -- most of those who denounce it loudest are diverting attention from their own sins.

Ahmadinejad blusters that the Gaza events bring Israel ``closer to disintegration.'' But Neda's tale reveals a Tehran regime that retains power through force and repression. This week, the U.N. Human Rights Council is due to adopt a final report on Iran, which denies it has committed any violations. The film clips of Neda lay bare the lie.

 

[Noobtastic]

To place all the blame on Iran is unfair.

Major international media has joined the bandwagon and devoted excessive resources over the flotilla raid.

As I speak to you 3 stories on Israel are running on BBC headline news. 3!

And the very first one is Israel.

Then there is a blog post: "What will Israel raid inquiry achieve?"

This is precisely why the Arab and Muslim states continue what they're doing without "international inquiries" or pressure from Western states.

The so-called enlightened media panders to the huge and explosive Arab and Muslim demographic, which demands endless bashing of Israel and silence on Arab and Muslim crimes.

Just looking at the comments of British citizens and you can see the propaganda has already effected the mainstream.

Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia will never change, and no one will care as long as Israel is portrayed as pariah state - and the rest of the world is victim to its existence.

 

[fallout man]

u.s. Student pays devastating physical price to protest israel's actions

emily henochowicz wasn't thinking about protests or palestinians or tear gas canisters when she went to israel in february for a one-semester college exchange program.

The 21-year-old art student from montgomery county wanted to study animation, and jerusalem's bezalel academy had a good program.

It was a plus to spend time in israel. Henochowicz grew up in an observant jewish household and had her bat mitzvah at potomac's har shalom synagogue. Her father was born in tel aviv, and his parents are polish holocaust survivors.

But henochowicz became critical of israel in the spring, after accompanying a friend to a demonstration in east jerusalem against the eviction of palestinian families. Very quickly, she began participating regularly in protests against israeli policies, especially the expansion of jewish settlements on the west bank.

"i decided that i was not just going to talk about this. I'm going to do something about it," she said.

Henochowicz prided herself on being nonviolent, but she knew the protests were risky. One was "like a war zone, it was so scary," she said.

The dangers caught up with her on may 31. During a demonstration at the west bank checkpoint at qalandia, henochowicz was struck in the face by a tear gas canister fired by israeli security forces. She lost her left eye, and her jaw and cheekbone were fractured.

As a result, somewhat to her family's dismay, henochowicz has become a minor celebrity and martyr among palestinian supporters. Timing had something to do with it. She was injured just as controversy erupted over the israeli commando raid on a turkish ship full of international activists trying to break the gaza blockade. The qalandia protest was a response to that assault.

Now home in potomac, henochowicz declined to talk about the incident because her family is planning to sue israel over it. But in her first interview since the injury, she discussed the experiences that led her to the protest and her feelings about it now.

Remarkably, henochowicz says she "absolutely" would do it all again. Although "it's a little strange" for a visual artist to give up an eye, she said she gained tremendous understanding of israel, the palestinians and herself.

"it sucks that i lost my eye. But i'm so happy that i did what i did," henochowicz said. "i love the time i spent there. It felt really amazing to be part of something like that. I don't regret it. I felt that it's what i had to do."

"i really feel like i love israel, and just like anybody that i feel about deeply, if i see they're doing something that's harming people, then i feel it's my duty to say something out of that love," henochowicz said.

She added that israel was "ultimately hurting itself" through its policies, particularly by allowing jewish settlements on occupied land and denying equal rights to palestinians.

At the west bank protest where henochowicz was injured, other demonstrators who witnessed the incident said the canister was fired directly at henochowicz from about 10 to 15 yards away. She was holding a turkish flag and was not near the five or so palestinian youths throwing rocks, the witnesses said.

The israeli border police said the projectile was not aimed at henochowicz. It said it regretted the incident, "but we have to bear in mind that this is a hot site with ongoing riots and violence."

the family has granted few interviews, saying it hopes to avoid promoting hostility toward the jewish state. Some strong anti-israel comments have already appeared on a new facebook page called "emily henochowicz is my hero."

political activism was new for henochowicz. Art was her passion, including when she attended prestigious holton-arms girls' school in bethesda. There, she was the quiet, smart, artsy girl who always had paint on her skirt.

"she was very much her own person," said classmate valerie d. Grasso. She wasn't surprised that henochowicz turned out to be the classmate "who'd stand up for a cause she believed in."

after holton, henochowicz went to the cooper union school of art in new york. There, for the first time, she began to question some of israel's practices. "when there was a bombing in gaza a year and a half ago, i was really shocked, because i really didn't think israel would do something like that," she said.

Those concerns solidified when she witnessed the demonstration in the sheikh jarrah neighborhood in east jerusalem. A group of hasidic jews shouted prayers at palestinian children in an aggressive way that offended henochowicz.

"the settlers started using prayers, some of which i recognized, to taunt these children," she said. "it's not what you've been taught all the time about what the jewish people are about, what israel's all about."

the experience led her to do the first of a series of drawings inspired by the protests, which she posted on her blog on april 5.

She then became an activist with the international solidarity movement. The group says it's committed to using only "nonviolent, direct action methods" in "resisting the israeli occupation of palestinian land." the israeli foreign ministry, however, has said the ism sometimes works under the auspices of terrorist groups.

Henochowicz said she went to 10 to 20 demonstrations. She said the activists were attracted by "a kind of martin luther king, south africa thing to end discrimination."

back home, her father, stuart henochowicz, was upset.

"i really did have a hard time telling my family what i was doing. My dad did react with the kind of usual, 'my parents are holocaust survivors and this is an insult to me,' " henochowicz said.

However, he's been supportive since the injury.

"after he did some research and after what happened to me, he's really changed his mind about what israel's doing right now," henochowicz said. "i think he and the rest of my family . . . Really see what i was doing was out of a desire for peace."

henochowicz emphasized that her affection for israel is strong even though she opposes many of its policies.

I'll just leave this here...

 

[PJABBER]

I posted this topic because Neda was executed on June 20, 2009 and we are approaching the one year anniversary of her death.

In the year that has passed, has anything really changed in Iran?

 

[potion]

I'll just leave this here...

Wooo, look at me, I'm going to visit another country as a guest and get involved in their politics and participate in demonstrations as if it were my home.


Interesting video, though. Good to see that the dinner jackets failed to prevent evidence of their violence from spreading.

 

[fallout man]

Wooo, look at me, I'm going to visit another country as a guest and get involved in their politics and participate in demonstrations as if it were my home.


Interesting video, though. Good to see that the dinner jackets failed to prevent evidence of their violence from spreading.

Perhaps she was interested in making Aliyah.

 

[Danube]

"On election day last year, Neda was outraged to find that only representatives from Ahmedinajad were at the polling booths, and she did not vote. As the euphoria of protests swept over Tehran, Neda joined the crowds. A group of religious vigilante women, the female Basij, stopped her. One of them said, “Don’t come out looking so beautiful. The Basij men target beautiful girls and they will shoot you.” Then she added: “I am also a psychologist and I know the danger of beauty to these men.”

http://www.vogue.com/voguedaily/2010/06/tv-joan-juliet-buck-on-hbos-for-neda/



As soon as I saw her get shot I was thinking "I bet one of the manics targeted her because she was pretty

 

[Noobtastic]

Perhaps she was interested in making Aliyah.

fallout - are you seriously drawing comparisons to israel's freedom to protest to iran hunting political rivals and murdering them?

thousands of people protest israel every day.

and while protesters like to call themselves "non-violent", they often ally themselves with violent protesters who wish to provoke a reaction.

to say israel is shooting tear gas to kill people is retarded.

love how the left is so outraged by token events like this.

as if it somehow comparable to the fascist policies of syria, iran, egypt...etc, where simply criticizing the government lands you in jail.

or how about the palestinian territories, where giving an interview to the wrong journalists can get yourself killed for being a "collaborator."

 

[PJABBER]

As motioned in the OP, Amnesty International has issued a special report on Iran to coincide with the one year anniversary of the "election" that Neda was protesting when she was executed.

As I read through this report I had the answer to my question - "In the year that has passed, has anything really changed in Iran?"

From Protest To Prison - Iran One Year After The Election - Amnesty International

1. INTRODUCTION

“The prisoner’s worst nightmare is the thought of being forgotten.”

Maziar Bahari, Iranian-Canadian journalist, after his release from four months of detention in Evin Prison

One year on from the disputed presidential election of June 2009, Iranians who want to criticize the Government or protest against mounting human rights violations face an evertightening gag as the authorities and the shadowy intelligence services – shaken to the core by the events which followed – consolidate their grip on the country and intensify the repression already in place for years. Iranians have moved from protest to prison, as the authorities resort to locking up hundreds of people in a vain attempt to silence voices peacefully expressing a dissenting view to the narrative which the authorities wish to provide of the election and its aftermath.

Thousands of people – over 5,000 according to official statements, although the true figure is almost certainly higher – have been arrested during mass demonstrations which first erupted on 13 June 2009, the day after the election. Demonstrations took place steadily throughout June until mid-July 2009 in spite of the authorities’ determination to quell protests, then continued more sporadically on days of national importance, whenever public demonstrations were permitted. At the time of writing, demonstrations which took place during the religious festival of Ashoura, which fell on 27 December 2009, were the last mass demonstrations to occur since the election, when over 1,000 people were arrested, according to official figures.

Attempts to hold further demonstrations on 11 February 2010, the anniversary of the founding of the Islamic Republic were prevented by the heavy presence of security forces. Most of those arrested have been released, although some have returned to prison to begin serving prison
sentences, but may also spend short periods free on “temporary leave”. These “revolving prison doors” make it difficult to give precise numbers of those held at any one time.

Those who demonstrated against the Government were met by security forces wielding batons, using tear gas and sometimes firing live rounds. Hundreds of others have been arrested at their homes or workplaces, usually by unidentified plain clothes officials bearing generic arrest
warrants. Some have been detained in conditions amounting to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. Many have been tortured, including by beatings, rape and solitary confinement in small spaces for long periods. Hundreds have been sentenced after grossly unfair trials to
lengthy prison sentences, while many others are still held without charge or trial. Some have been sentenced to death.

At the same time, the Iranian authorities have passed new laws to restrict people writing on websites and established new security bodies to monitor web content. They have criminalized contact with over 60 foreign institutions, media organizations and NGOs – a move which can
only be construed as an attempt to isolate Iranians and prevent news, including on human rights violations, from leaving the country. They have continued to close down newspapers that are deemed to cross the ever-shifting “red line” of what they consider to be acceptable.
Websites and email services have been filtered or blocked and the police have warned that SMS messages are monitored. They have fired many university professors and staff on the grounds that they do not have sufficient “belief” in the Islamic Republic. Renewed efforts to implement “morality” codes concerning dress and gender segregation are underway which particularly impede women’s ability to function freely in society. They have issued numerous threatening statements and executed political prisoners to make it absolutely clear that those who express any form of dissent – whether by speaking out or writing or attending demonstrations – will face the harshest penalties.

“I hope your daughters grow up to get married – mine grew up to be thrown into jail”. So said the mother of Shiva Nazar Ahari, one of the detainees whose case is highlighted in this report, to Amnesty International – poignantly illustrating the journey taken by an increasing number of Iranians, from political and civil activism and street demonstrations to the cells of Evin Prison and beyond. This report describes that journey in detail, showing how ordinary an experience arrest and detention has become. Iranians in large numbers are being imprisoned for peacefully exercizing their rights. Not only should they not be incarcerated in the first place, but while held they are further abused and victimized. The report clearly demonstrates that the vast majority of international standards related to the protection of detainees, as set out in the UN Body of Principles for the Protection of All Persons under Any Form of Detention or Imprisonment, are ignored. Judicial guarantees in Iranian law are also routinely flouted.

Over the past year, Iran has faced mounting international criticism of its human rights record both by individual states and within international fora such as the United Nations General Assembly and the Human Rights Council, where Iran’s record was considered in the framework
of the Universal Periodic Review (UPR) in February 2010. While accepting generic recommendations at the conclusion of the process, other specific recommendations were rejected, which had they been adopted and implemented could have significantly improved the situation for detainees and prisoners in Iran. Consolidated international pressure on Iran in the run up to the election in May for membership of the Human Rights Council appears to have led to the withdrawal of Iran’s candidacy at the last minute.

At times, the reality of the situation for prisoners in Iran has been on the lips of the world, such as the campaign for the release of renowned film director Ja’far Panahi which culminated in his empty chair on the jury for the Cannes Film Festival. However, his welcome release should
not obscure the fact that hundreds of others remain held – for similar reasons – who have no one to speak so eloquently for them.

This report is an attempt to address that fact and to ensure that the worst nightmare of released detainee Maziar Bahari does not become a reality for those still held. It focuses on the situation of detainees and prisoners in Iran – most of whom are prisoners of conscience who
should be released forthwith – while recognizing that many other egregious human rights violations in Iran deserve attention in their own right. It looks at the people targeted for arrest, who are drawn from a widening circle of the population, how arrests are made, where detainees
are held, the conditions of detention, and the pressures placed on detainees to make “confessions” that are then used as the main evidence against them in trials which are fundamentally flawed and are often summary, particularly in the provinces away from the glare of publicity in Tehran.

The report analyses the vaguely worded legislation used to charge those arrested with “offences” that do not meet the requirements for clarity and precision in criminal law outlined in international law. It looks at the political pressures exerted on judges to convict people, and the politically motivated use of the death penalty to send a warning to anyone considering open defiance of the authorities.

The report ends with two essential calls on the Iranian authorities to immediately and unconditionally release all prisoners of conscience and to ensure that all other political prisoners are tried promptly and fairly, without recourse to the death penalty, in proceedings which fully meet international fair trial standards.

Despite Iran’s assertion in its report submitted to the United Nations in the framework of the UPR in February 2010 that it co-operates with NGOs, Amnesty International has not been permitted to visit Iran for fact-finding purposes or to hold Government talks since 1979. The
organization again sought access to Iran in November 2009, and was unable to even meet the Ambassador of Iran in London. Amnesty International delegates also sought a meeting with the Iranian delegation presenting Iran’s human rights record at the UN for the Universal Periodic Review of Iran in February 2010, but were rebuffed.

This report is therefore based on interviews with family members of those held; their lawyers and friends; those who have been released, including some interviewed face-to-face in Turkey in March 2010; statements by the Iranian authorities; media reports, both official and from the opposition; and reports by local and international NGOs concerned with human rights. Amnesty International’s lack of access to Iran has affected the ability of the organization to verify directly all violations brought to its attention. However, it believes the wide range of
information below illustrates the plight of the hundreds of people detained without charge or trial, or sentenced to lengthy prison terms, flogging or death after unfair trials simply for expressing their dissenting views.

 

[fallout man]

fallout - are you seriously drawing comparisons to israel's freedom to protest to iran hunting political rivals and murdering them?

thousands of people protest israel every day.

and while protesters like to call themselves "non-violent", they often ally themselves with violent protesters who wish to provoke a reaction.

to say israel is shooting tear gas to kill people is retarded.

love how the left is so outraged by token events like this.

as if it somehow comparable to the fascist policies of syria, iran, egypt...etc, where simply criticizing the government lands you in jail.

or how about the palestinian territories, where giving an interview to the wrong journalists can get yourself killed for being a "collaborator."

srsly.

 

[Noobtastic]

srsly.

 

[Red Dawn]

As tensions in the Middle East continue to rise, as Iranian "relief" ships journey toward a direct confrontation and provocation of the Israeli blockade of Iran's puppet Hamas, as the world casts back and forth endlessly debating Iran's rush toward nuclear weapons and the likelihood of Israel, and maybe others, responding, it becomes important to define why every Iranian, why every Israeli, why every Brit or American or Egyptian or Saudi should condemn Iranian adventurism.

Iran is not a monolithic country. It is a place with disparate populations caught in the grip of a violent theocratic and oppressive government fully comparable in those senses to any to be found in history. As an autocratic state, it controls the flow of information. As a dictatorial state it works intently to suppress opposition.

But, unlike how easy this was to accomplish in the past, the modern era is one where ordinary citizens command a global technology and communication advantage in the form of cell phones, handicams and the Internet. And they tell a story that belies the Iranian government propaganda spin.

One recent event captured the essence of what Iran is today.

HBO, at great risk, recently produced an extraordinary documentary of this event and the circumstances that surround it. It can be seen in English, Arabic and Farsi.

You owe it to yourself to watch and to understand why the world should stand against Iran's violent theocratic government and with the citizens of Iran that seek a freedom not currently possible there.

We can fully expect the blindered apologists for Islamic theocracy and oppression on this forum to respond with their claims of equivalent faults in the democratic and culturally liberal West, in Israel. But it is what we see being faced by the Iranian people, and what that Islamic theocracy wants to export throughout the world, that requires our deepest understanding and our strongest condemnation.

FOR NEDA (English)

FOR NEDA (Arabic)

FOR NEDA (Farsi)

Neda Agha-Soltan

(Persian: ندا آقا سلطان - Nedā Āġā-Soltān; b 1982 - d June 20, 2009)

Better yet, it's a great reason why we here in America should make sure that Religion stays the fuck out of politics.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Better yet, it's a great reason why we here in America should make sure that Religion stays the fuck out of politics.

Amen! uh, I mean uh right on

 

[Narmer]

To the OP: For Nada? Like you really give a fuck who she was. Her family would probably try to spit on you and others for trying to exploit their daughter's death.

 

[PJABBER]

To the OP: For Nada? Like you really give a fuck who she was. Her family would probably try to spit on you and others for trying to exploit their daughter's death.

Her name Neda.

Perhaps you are too lost in your own petty hatreds to consider that Neda and her tragic death have become powerful symbols of what is wrong in that part of the world.

Everyone with an open mind knows the tragedy of Iran, first under the Shah, then the horrific suppression of freedom and of culture that grew out of the Islamic Revolution there.

Beyond the personal tragedies and oppression which Iranian citizens live with daily, there is the global threat posed by a fundamentalist government that has well established itself as the leading state sponsor of terrorism. All in the name of a virulently fanatical brand of Islam.

A single person's death at the hands of a radical Islamic executioner is never going to be a pleasant sight. Neda's death was only one of many and one of many yet to come.

But as her image and her death have been seen by millions, she has come to be a symbol for all people that yearn for freedom and come face to face with tyranny.

If you take the time to watch the entire documentary that I linked, if you read what her family and her friends have eulogized her for, you wouldn't be so critical of my post. For you would recognize that throughout my entire participation in this forum I have, without exception, advocated for causes of personal freedom and the rights of people to live lives unfettered by the strictures of dictatorships, onerous theocracies and the corruption of self-serving power.

Her family and friends, at tremendous personal risk, have asked everyone in Iran and around the world to recognize what Neda stood for and to not let her death be in vain.

She did not seek to be a martyr but, in dying at the hands of a government executioner while she stood in the streets of Tehran against an unrepresentative government that had stripped her and so many others of human dignity, she became one.

My simple post is but a minor effort to remember her sacrifice.

I loathe the nihilism of the latest scourge on humanity that is radical Islam. Should Neda still be alive, I doubt that we would find much difference in our basic outlook on this phenomenon. And based on all I have seen, heard and read about her, I don't doubt that she would be appalled by what you favor and the cost you would extract on her and others who would stand in your way.

 

[Narmer]

Her name Neda.

Perhaps you are too lost in your own petty hatreds to consider that Neda and her tragic death have become powerful symbols of what is wrong in that part of the world.

Everyone with an open mind knows the tragedy of Iran, first under the Shah, then the horrific suppression of freedom and of culture that grew out of the Islamic Revolution there.

Beyond the personal tragedies and oppression which Iranian citizens live with daily, there is the global threat posed by a fundamentalist government that has well established itself as the leading state sponsor of terrorism. All in the name of a virulently fanatical brand of Islam.

A single person's death at the hands of a radical Islamic executioner is never going to be a pleasant sight. Neda's death was only one of many and one of many yet to come.

But as her image and her death have been seen by millions, she has come to be a symbol for all people that yearn for freedom and come face to face with tyranny.

If you take the time to watch the entire documentary that I linked, if you read what her family and her friends have eulogized her for, you wouldn't be so critical of my post. For you would recognize that throughout my entire participation in this forum I have, without exception, advocated for causes of personal freedom and the rights of people to live lives unfettered by the strictures of dictatorships, onerous theocracies and the corruption of self-serving power.

Her family and friends, at tremendous personal risk, have asked everyone in Iran and around the world to recognize what Neda stood for and to not let her death be in vain.

She did not seek to be a martyr but, in dying at the hands of a government executioner while she stood in the streets of Tehran against an unrepresentative government that had stripped her and so many others of human dignity, she became one.

My simple post is but a minor effort to remember her sacrifice.

I loathe the nihilism of the latest scourge on humanity that is radical Islam. Should Neda still be alive, I doubt that we would find much difference in our basic outlook on this phenomenon. And based on all I have seen, heard and read about her, I don't doubt that she would be appalled by what you favor and the cost you would extract on her and others who would stand in your way.

Whatever. If this Neda had been on the flotilla, she'd be a terrorist in your eyes, right?

Save us the fake sympathy, please.

 

[PJABBER]

Whatever. If this Neda had been on the flotilla, she'd be a terrorist in your eyes, right?

Save us the fake sympathy, please.

She wasn't. She was shot down on the streets of Tehran. The shot was heard round the world.

Watch the video.

 

[SandEagle]

lmfao. like you tards give a shit what happened to Neda. just another lame thread to push your anti-arab agenda.

where's was the media coverage for Rachel Corrie?

 

[PJABBER]

lmfao. like you tards give a shit what happened to Neda. just another lame thread to push your anti-arab agenda.

The Iranians are not Arab.

Have you watched the linked video?

It is also playing on HBO this week.

 

[Narmer]

She wasn't. She was shot down on the streets of Tehran. The shot was heard round the world.

Watch the video.

Well, since you care so much, I'll make it an effort to not care. But go all the way for me and shed a tear or two. I want to know that you actually did that for your political beliefs. Cry me a river.

 

[PJABBER]

Well, since you care so much, I'll make it an effort to not care. But go all the way for me and shed a tear or two. I want to know that you actually did that for your political beliefs. Cry me a river.

How about if I just laugh at you?

You're used to that.

:awe:

 

[Narmer]

How about if I just laugh at you?

You're used to that.

:awe:

Nah, this is a very serious matter to you. It's no laughing matter. Do it for Neda. Shed a tear for her.

 

[Noobtastic]

lmfao. like you tards give a shit what happened to Neda. just another lame thread to push your anti-arab agenda.

where's was the media coverage for Rachel Corrie?

A) Iran isn't Arab

B) Where's the media coverage for Rachel Corrie?

Are you fucking serious?

Neda got 5 seconds of coverage compared to Rachel Corrie. Loony leftist have fuckin pancake breakfasts named after Corrie.

Comparing Neda to Corrie is a serious case of a delusion. Corrie was an america-hating twat, Neda was a victim of fascism and ruthless dictatorship.

I find it funny the Left defends Iran by bringing up Israel.

ahhh...peaceful activist.

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/TheForgottenRachels.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co2X5LKH5n0

 

[PJABBER]

Nah, this is a very serious matter to you. It's no laughing matter. Do it for Neda. Shed a tear for her.

How does it feel to be the butt of jokes around here as fallout man and you get together and mock a dead young girl that just happens to be a real martyr in the cause of freedom?

http://s0.ilike.com/play#Cypress+Hi...72%2Cstd_b1022c21869330d88416c16119354268Are you insane in the membrane?

:awe:

 

[Narmer]

How does it feel to be the butt of jokes around here as fallout man and you get together and mock a dead young girl that just happens to be a real martyr in the cause of freedom?

http://s0.ilike.com/play#Cypress+Hi...72%2Cstd_b1022c21869330d88416c16119354268Are you insane in the membrane?

:awe:

I'm mocking you, asshole, and shining light on your politically-induced memorial which you champion out of pure self-interest. Your sorry is a sham and I see right through to you. If Neda was on that flotilla, or the one heading from Iran by the Red Crescent, you'd call her a terrorist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself exploiting her death like this but you are too low to realize that.

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