For those getting a new card to play Skyrim, some relevant info.

dennilfloss

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This little bit posted on Ars Technica might help you decide what card to buy. For me, I'll play it for a bit on my 4870 still as I'm waiting for the 7000s to show up before I buy.

It's a texture-happy last-gen beast. It's not big on shaders (mostly post-processing and HDR lighting), it's big on textures. It'll fill 1.7 GB of VRAM without trying on "Ultra". "High" limits it to 1 GB.

The snow effects are done with animated meshes and animating textures. One small hut will have more vertices in it than the entire Imperial City of Oblivion. Texture detail is exquisite. It's the last generation taken to a dizzying extreme.

Underneath it all, though, there's a SM3.0 DX9.0c rendering engine not at all unlike the one you saw in Fallout: New Vegas. It's the same magnitude of upgrade that Fallout 3 made from Oblivion. Evolutionary, not revolutionary.

This means that all you really need is a lot of very fast VRAM. 128 bit buses need not apply. If you're not pushing 70 GB/s around the video card, you won't like playing on High at 1080p. If you can max out Oblivion and get 100 FPS, you'll get 60 FPS in Skyrim on High, not on Ultra.

Oh yeah, and they fixed the multithreading crap that plagued Oblivion and Fallout 3. It'll now peg four cores if you've got 'em without going all CTDish.

Animation, from what I've seen, remains a Bethesda weak point. Chip an enemy's health bar to zero and they'll flop down in the middle of a mighty sword swing as though the strings were cut on a puppet. It makes you feel like you're fighting robots and just waiting for the lucky hit which will knock the "off" button. AI is, again, something that in places you'll admire and in other places you'll wonder what the fuck is going on. You WILL turn an entire town hostile and have no idea why. On the other extreme, you'll return a worthless trinket to a random elven NPC and she'll be your faithful sla... companion until death. Most likely at your hands, given how often she'll run in the way of your arrows/spells/shouts. Given how easy it is to pick up faithful slav... friends, this is a game begging for a friendly fire toggle.

Physics is improved, but like with many other things Skyrim, has its caveats still. You won't brush past a table and wreck a house, but you will accidentally hit a giant corpse and send it into the stratosphere with a moderately weak spell. Townsfolk will comment on your littering when you do so, just the same as when you drop an item of clutter into the village square.
 
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notty22

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Is this a review from Ars, or a user posted observation in the Ars forums ?
Do you have a link ? What I'm basically asking. Can't find it.
 

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Glad I upgraded my 4870 512MB card to MSI 560Ti 2GB,just waiting now for my Skyrim copy to arrive through the post.
 

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Using up to 1.7GB of VRAM is not the same as needing 1.7GB of VRAM. Battlefield 3 just loads textures quicker with a 2GB card over a 1GB card but it doesn't negatively affect the performance if you only have a 1GB card.

Based on the graphics, I really don't see this game being that demanding.

"If you're not pushing 70 GB/s around the video card, you won't like playing on High at 1080p."

What modern card > $100 has less memory bandwidth than that? Even an HD6790 has 134. HD6870 can be found for $140 and that will likely max this game out without problems.
 
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Using up to 1.7GB of VRAM is not the same as needing 1.7GB of VRAM. Battlefield 3 just loads textures quicker with a 2GB card over a 1GB card but it doesn't negatively affect the performance if you only have a 1GB card.

Technically, ULTRA in BF3 allows the engine to load high res mesh/models/textures further from your view distance. Setting it on HIGH will force it to not exceed 1gb vram usage, thus your level of details drops off quicker based on view distance. Also, the more vram you have, the more objects it can load/stream in dynamically further out.

It doesn't impede performance, it just means you have a drop in IQ. Doesn't make a big difference in gameplay because even on HIGH, i can see the LoD in play quite far from my view distance so its fine. Having it further out may enhance the scene by a bit, but nothing special.

There's no difference in textures between HIGH/ULTRA in bf3, just only how far away you can see the good textures/mesh.

If Skyrim is all about textures, they could realistically add really high resolution textures that will fill up your vram on ULTRA and will be unplayable if you have 1gb vram etc.
 

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This game is not upgrade worthy. Unlocked it on Steam via an Australian vpn.

This is the worst kind of console port. Not just in the UI being clunky and awkward from being a port, but the graphics are horrible and performance is very poor.

Terrible, terrible console port. Can't comment on actual gameplay, only had time to get about 15 minutes in, but going to assume it's crap due to aforementioned console port issues. Very dissapointing.

The graphics look like an xbox 360 game. There is no native MSAA, only FXAA. You can force MSAA via the control panel at a huge performance hit though.

Not a game worth upgrading for, actually looks worse than Oblivion modded.
 
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Thanks for that groove, i'll know not to waste my $$ on it.

They messed up ever since Fallout 3.. so much potential, wasted.

MW3 looks horrible on PC, the game runs at 720p and scales up. You have to disable it and force it to run at 1080p. Damn console ports.
 

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This game is not upgrade worthy. Unlocked it on Steam via an Australian vpn.

This is the worst kind of console port. Not just in the UI being clunky and awkward from being a port, but the graphics are horrible and performance is very poor.

Terrible, terrible console port. Can't comment on actual gameplay, only had time to get about 15 minutes in, but going to assume it's crap due to aforementioned console port issues. Very dissapointing.

That's the thing, Bethesda's games have tons of bugs/glitches and not the best interface. However, gameplay is still going to be great.

The reviews are glowing. This is for sure going to be RPG of the year on the PC. You just have to play it for a couple of hours and I am sure you'll be hooked

I mean seriously, Gamespy gave it 100, IGN 95, PC Gamer UK 94, Gamespot 9.0.

On Gamerankings, this game got an average score of 95.28% across 40 reviews.

There is 0 chance this game is terrible. It might not be amazing, or the best ever RPG, but at minimum it's good/great.
 
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sounds like a half finished tech demo, par for the course from Bethesda. If they would have invested in the ragdoll physics back in the days of Oblivion they wouldn't be dragging this dead weight along with them still..
 

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Reviews were glowing for MW3 too.

Until i saw it running on a friend's PC. Ugly. Same cliche storyline and SP thats not even 4 hours long.

MP, same as black ops and MW2. It's like a DLC map pack.

Yet it got glowing reviews (user reviews is totally different). Fishy.

Recycled console port.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dsOn06w1s&feature=player_embedded#!

Difference is Skyrim uses a completely new engine. MW3 does not.

What proof does anyone have that Skyrim is a port from consoles? I bet absolutely zero. Just cause the game doesn't look like Battlefield 3 in a fantasy setting? Sheesh
 

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I was planning on buying it, but the console port nature's putting me off.
Can't say I had any real drama's with either FO3 or Vegas on PC+texture packs...
 
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I was planning on buying it, but the console port nature's putting me off.
Can't say I had any real drama's with either FO3 or Vegas on PC+texture packs...

Thats the problem, you actually had to mod it to make it look good. Why didn't they include a high-res texture for the PC version?
 

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Thats the problem, you actually had to mod it to make it look good. Why didn't they include a high-res texture for the PC version?

Why doesn't every game look like a live action movie? lol...


So people say gaming is about the story and gameplay then turn around and complain about graphics...typical.

Other than simply looking at it, Bethesda said it's a console port.....so GFX expectations could be lowered.

link cause I never heard this.
 

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That's the thing, Bethesda's games have tons of bugs/glitches and not the best interface. However, gameplay is still going to be great.

The reviews are glowing. This is for sure going to be RPG of the year on the PC. You just have to play it for a couple of hours and I am sure you'll be hooked

I mean seriously, Gamespy gave it 100, IGN 95, PC Gamer UK 94, Gamespot 9.0.

On Gamerankings, this game got an average score of 95.28% across 40 reviews.

There is 0 chance this game is terrible. It might not be amazing, or the best ever RPG, but at minimum it's good/great.

Russian, official review sites are pretty much worthless in review value. Those same sites gave MW3 glowing reviews, a terrible game. For the most part IGN, PC gamer and gamespy are paid shills and serve a purpose mostly as advertising not providing unbiased reviews.

Just look at Metacritic for a game like MW3 that got amazing reviews from official sites and look at its user score http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3 1.3 out of 10.

As far as RPG of the year, that is far and away Witcher 2.

I'm not saying the game is crap, as I said, I only played 15 minutes. Graphically it's a massive turd. It's looking to be another Dragon Age 2, terrible graphics and horrible performance. I want to see some AMD benchmarks, I know it makes use of the same DOF effects DA2 did, may be more nvidia driver issues.

It's really a terrible port. You can't even click any selections in the menu with your mouse, you have to use a combination of different keys on your keyboard to navigate the menus and inventory screens, etc. Really ? No mouse support ?

Very dissapointing.
 

cmdrdredd

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As far as RPG of the year, that is far and away Witcher 2.

I'm not saying the game is crap, as I said, I only played 15 minutes. Graphically it's a massive turd. It's looking to be another Dragon Age 2, terrible graphics and horrible performance. I want to see some AMD benchmarks, I know it makes use of the same DOF effects DA2 did, may be more nvidia driver issues.

It's really a terrible port. You can't even click any selections in the menu with your mouse, you have to use a combination of different keys on your keyboard to navigate the menus and inventory screens, etc. Really ? No mouse support ?

Dirt 3 doesn't support your mouse either. You know Witcher 2 won't run RPG of the year...won't. If the game offers me a good time then I don't care if it's a slightly upgraded Oblivion which IMO doesn't look all that bad. In fact I have been playing Oblivion off and on again over the last couple of days and have enjoyed it as much as I did before.

Oh and I did find the link to the video where Skyrim was announced as a port. That said, I also found out that Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and New vegas, even back to the oblivion were designed around what the Xbox360 could do. Those games didn't seem to get poor reviews from gamers. Apparently Bethesda had a party when MS announced the vram on the 360 was upgraded to 512 lol.
 
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Thats the problem, you actually had to mod it to make it look good. Why didn't they include a high-res texture for the PC version?

Cause the gaming industry is giving PC gamers the ass.....that said, they did release a small hi res text pack for FO3, but none for Vegas, but I used NMC on both.
 

Pacman4

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hose games didn't seem to get poor reviews from gamers. Apparently Bethesda had a party when MS announced the vram on the 360 was upgraded to 512 lol.

They all seemed like decent ports other than GFX.....in fact, Vegas is one of the best shooters ever made IMO, even though it's often considered an RPG.
 
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