For those interested, R50p benchmarks

Mattster

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I currently have in my possession an IBM Thinkpad R50p, model 1832-22U. This is the top of the line R50p. Currently, I have only run 3DMark03 on it, with the default settings. This is probably the finest laptop that I have had the pleasure to work with so far (aside from the T41's we have). The screen quality is magnificent.

Results:

- Thinkpad R50p w/ATI Mobility Fire GL t2 (128MB)
- Default video driver that shipped on system
- 3dMark03, set to run @ 1024x768, Optimal Texture Filtering & Vertex Shaders, Max. Anisotropy = 4

Score: 2531 3D Marks

This is all I have had time to do. I don't have any games available to me to do further benchmarks, but can run stuff that is freely available on the web, as I have the time to do so.

So, if you guys want more benchies, point me to more free tools. I will take requests, but I may not immediately be able to do stuff......

Matt
 

Pandaren

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Interesting I'm not so much interested in the benches as your impression of the machine. How are the size, build quality, and keyboard of the R50p?
 

RonS

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I didn't realize that they were already shipping. Can you comment on the keyboard quality compared to other thinkpads? Also, does it get very hot? What is the body made out of? Is the final coat ruberized or shiny plastic?

If they were available (or even announced) a couple of months ago, I probably would have bought an R50p, although I'm very happy with my Inspiron 8600.
 

ai42

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What about a 3D Mark 2k1 test? Also what are the specs of your R50p?
 

Mattster

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The size is not bad. It is bigger (Thicker & heavier) than the T40/41 series. The build quality is excellant and the finish is the shiny plastic (T40/41 series are the only ones constructed with magnesium casing I believe) . The keyboard is much like the rest of the Thinkpad keyboards (roomy, with an excellant feel to it). It does not get very hot at all, which is characteristic of most Thinkpads with the Pentium-M chips, under moderate to light usage.

For the exact specs, follow this link:
My R50p

Unfortunately, due to the environment that I work in, I cannot take any pics.....

I will try and run the other benchmarks linked to today sometime. I will also run 3dMark 2k1, time permitting.

Matt
 

Mattster

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Ok. Here are the results from the HardOCP test proggy:

Low FPS
Resolution dm-antalus dm-asbestos ctf-citadel
1280x1024 16.460058 37.696606 28.538998

Average FPS
Resolution dm-antalus dm-asbestos ctf-citadel
1280x1024 53.652164 88.345657 68.220154

High FPS
Resolution dm-antalus dm-asbestos ctf-citadel
1280x1024 259.356506 237.446426 197.892197

Not too shabby.

I ran 3dMark 2k1 also, and got a score of 9004 3Dmarks. That is the highest I've seen on a laptop before. Granted, IBM does not tune everything for performance (BIOS is tuned more for stability than anything), so YMMV if you have this video in another manufacturers laptop.

I may also try the latest catalyst drivers, if someone can point me to the little proggy that modifies them to work on the Mobility laptop chips.

Anymore requests guys?

Matt
 

burek

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How's the screen? Can you comment on the response time, viewing angles, brightness etc...

PS. Any dead pixels?

Thanks
 

RonS

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I know that benchmarks don't reveal the true performance of a system, but they're still run and used for a basis of comparison especially for new machines.

What's funny about this is that Nvidia is dragged through the mud regarding the performance of their 5650, yet it gets better benchmark numbers than the 9600.

Insprion 8600 with 5650:
3DMark03: 2705
3DMark2001: 9902

Thinkpad R50p with 9600 (notebook version t2)
3DMark03: 2531
3DMark2001: 9004
 

bbq1023

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Originally posted by: RonS
I know that benchmarks don't reveal the true performance of a system, but they're still run and used for a basis of comparison especially for new machines.

What's funny about this is that Nvidia is dragged through the mud regarding the performance of their 5650, yet it gets better benchmark numbers than the 9600.

Insprion 8600 with 5650:
3DMark03: 2705
3DMark2001: 9902

Thinkpad R50p with 9600 (notebook version t2)
3DMark03: 2531
3DMark2001: 9004

There are something u need to know. First, the 5650go is cheating like the rest of the FX line. Score u got above was using the older verisons of 3DMark (Nvidia cheating by drawing only the visible part of the graphic). The more updated score on 5650 can be find in the dell site or here:
http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=insp_video&message.id=96703

The driver use on the one is the newest 52.16, score 2427 on 2003 and 9271 on 2001. "The video quality went down with 52.16. The picture I use for my background wallpaper looked fuzzy. I switched back to Dell's 44.82, and it's crystal clear again. I know this isn't supposed to happen, but it did."

The dx9 performance on the FX line is so bad and according to Maxium PC magazine last month, they said that even the 5900 is having a problem to run dx9 game such as half-life 2, Nvidia have to recode the driver and sacrifice the video quality to get more resonable frame rate. Of course, not to mention the lower FX card. Finally, consider the FireGL-T2 on IBM is tuned on stability. On the other hand, dell pushed the 5650 with higher clock speed of gaming.
 

Mattster

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The screen is a nice one (UXGA type) and has a pretty good viewing angle compared to a lot of the other Thinkpads I've had my hands on. No dead pixels to speak of. Its also very bright, when plugged in to AC. Of course that drops a little bit when you unplug it, but its not unpleasant.

As far as which limb I had to sacrifice, I didn't. Let's just say that I work in a position where I get to put my hands on the top models of every Thinkpad line (well, most of the top models. We do see midrange ones every so often) for testing purposes (among other things! )

For some reason, the Alienware benchmark won't run (window keeps timing out for some reason). I tried several times, changed cookie settings, etc. and nothing appeared to make it work.

I'll run Aquamark and report back with results within the next day or so. I will also try and get the latest Catalyst drivers loaded and benchmarked sometime before the end of the week....

Matt
 

Mattster

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Aquamark results:

Triangles/Sec:
6,048,942tps

Frames/Sec:
20.09fps

AquaMark3 TRISCORE:
GFX = 2,304
CPU = 7,872

Total Score:
20,094

That was running with the default settings........
 

bbq1023

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Thanks a lot Mattster, the Aquamark benchmark is very impressive. Are u using 1024x768 with no AA/AF in this benchmark? I wonder how the t2 could run with 4xAA/8xAF enable, can u run one more time please? (The m9600pro got 16.6fps with 4xAA/8xAF on) Thanks again.
 

ceo2b

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Just had a few questions for you:

1. Does the plastic casing feel cheap or easy to damage or mark badly?
2. At UXGA are you comfortable docking two browser windows without the need to scroll?
3. How is the harddrive performance: fast? quiet or noisy?
4. Overall performance from daily tasks to running multiple apps simultaneously?
5. How is working with UltraNav?
6. If you had to spend the 3800 on it, would you?
7. Anything you dislike about the system or find another system in the market surpasses the R50p?

Thanks
 

Mattster

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Originally posted by: ceo2b
Just had a few questions for you:

--1. Does the plastic casing feel cheap or easy to damage or mark badly?
The plastic casing feels very sturdy for the most part. While most of the laptops I have come across have that "smooth looking" plastic (i.e. Dell, HP), almost all the Thinkpads have that porous looking type of black plastic. Its not very easy to damage (but I do not conduct "drop tests" of my own on them!) from the looks of how they are constructed. Fingerprints may stay on the casing, but they are easily wiped away with a soft cloth. The LCD is connected to the bottom half of the laptop with Steel braces (not 100% sure its steel. Maybe aluminum). This method of construction is sooooo much better than the Dells and HP's I've had my hands on (come on.....plastic hinges? A Laptop is supposed to be sturdy!).

2. At UXGA are you comfortable docking two browser windows without the need to scroll?
Yes. At first, it took a little time to get used to the resolution being so high, but after that I was fine with it.

3. How is the harddrive performance: fast? quiet or noisy?
Performance is well. Granted I work in a not so quiet area most of the time, I can't really be too suggestive on the acoustics (quiet or noisy). I can say that I was away from my area with this Thinkpad doing some work and it is no more or less louder than any other newer laptop hard drive I have come across. This particular model also has similar technology to the T41 systems, with regard to protecting your hard drive if you drop your laptop or it gets juggled around while powered on (Essentially, it uses airbag-like technology to park the hard drive heads when it senses it is falling or getting juggled about while powered on). Very cool technology that no one else on the market has (IBM Active Protection System. Check out the 3d tour of the T40 series on IBM's website for more information on this).

4. Overall performance from daily tasks to running multiple apps simultaneously?
Everything runs just as well on this system when it comes to multitasking as it would on a desktop system. I've had numerous applications open at the same time (Word, Outlook, Mozilla, IE, Lotus Notes, etc.) with no issues whatsoever. Now, if you do hop around to various review sites on the web, you may come across benchmarks that show other manufacturers with laptops that have better performance. IBM tunes their machines (specifically BIOS, preloads, etc.) for stability more than anything. Sure, I could have a laptop that blows away other laptops in the same price range, but is it stable? Does it crash a lot? Maybe. The tradeoff here seems to be performance for stability, which I would take anyday.....

5. How is working with UltraNav?
Generally good. Sometimes I use the touchpad, other times I use the trackpoint. Somebody else pointed out in another thread that you can replace the T40/41/41p touchpad with a blank plate from IBM, but unfortunately you can't (as far as I know) with the R series, as the top is all one piece. But I have no problems having a touchpad.

6. If you had to spend the 3800 on it, would you?
If I had a salary that was 2x what I make now, I wouldn't hesitate!

7. Anything you dislike about the system or find another system in the market surpasses the R50p?
I do find the weight of it a little annoying. But for what you get in the system at that price, I could live with the weight. The only other laptop I would consider would be the T41p, just because it is somewhat lighter (5 - 5.4 lbs vs. 6.6-7.1 lbs for the R50p). I've played with a recent HP laptop and it just doesn't feel good at all. Keyboard sucked, touchpad was not very sensitive at all and overall, the system just felt slow (boot times were not good, nor were the application load times). Granted, maybe I am biased towards Thinkpads because I have almost 100% exposure to them, but comparing other manufacturers laptops to them almost seems silly, because there is no comparison. I am a firm believer in "You get what you pay for", as I've had bad experiences with cheap crap all to often in the past. Good thing I learn from mistakes.

Buying a Thinkpad, you're not just paying for the IBM name.........

Thanks

Anytime
 

ceo2b

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Does the R50p have firewire? How many PC Card slots are there, type II specifically?
 

Yomicron

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Originally posted by: ceo2b
Does the R50p have firewire? How many PC Card slots are there, type II specifically?
Yes, it has a 4 pin FireWire port and it has 1 Type I/II or 1 Type III PC Card slot.
 

ceo2b

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Thanks, I found this brochure that stated it had 2 Type II slots which sounded incorrect.
 
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