Other than scaring, were you left with any permanent effects? Do you still walk the same? Did you lose any muscle in your leg at all?
and the rest is history!! 800,000 dollar hosipital bill, but i'm still alive! and fine!
Other than scaring, were you left with any permanent effects? Do you still walk the same? Did you lose any muscle in your leg at all?
Dude ... i have been away ... wtf happened to you?
So what's the deal then with all the people who've got some serious illness, with plenty of people praying away, and they suffer an agonizing death anyway. Blessed be God's glorious will?i became very close to God during the recovery... and my grandmother is some sort of earth magic healer i'm convinced.. she was in my corner praying the whole time.
So what's the deal then with all the people who've got some serious illness, with plenty of people praying away, and they suffer an agonizing death anyway. Blessed be God's glorious will?
1) Placebo effect.
2) Placebo effect.
3) So you might as well just do whatever, because anything that happens is going to fall into that category.
Where's that video about praying to the jug of milk when you need it?
I found this link earlier posted in another thread here on AT; it addresses what you talk about pretty well I thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
Psychedelics are the double edged sword, they make you realize just how fucked everything is, but you try to fight it and change before the mass futility sets in.
true. i wish i'd never done lsd...
Weird, I hear this a lot, but it was mushrooms that really rocked my world. Then again my settings for initial doses of each drug were 1400 miles apart, with the mushrooms out west rocking my world more than dropping LSD in the midwest could ever do.
The problem with the placebo effect, though, is that it gets in the way of finding real solutions. (And yes, I did see you describing it as a placebo for point 1). I was restating it for emphasis, and context.)Yes, I agree. It's what I said in the first place; except you ascribe negative traits/values to it.
Most probably because of assholes that make up assinine arguments to misuse/abuse these ideas to exploit the good-will of others.
A good outline of the way these ass-hats work can be found in the book "Discipline and Punishment" By Foucault.
For the most part, this isn't true today.The problem with the placebo effect, though, is that it gets in the way of finding real solutions.
Actually: real problems, real physical problems, are influenced by placebo/faith in something. If this wasn't the case then we wouldn't need double-blind placebo control group trials for things like heart-desease. Indeed, the double-blind part is to keep the faith of the administering person from having an influence (which it does!)If all you're concerned about is making someone feel better, then maybe that's the way to go. If you want to do something that actually helps, placebos won't do it.
What I find most ironic is how ignorant your post is.Same as how I don't like blind faith. Somehow the idea "I don't know this, and I have no reasonable evidence for it, but I'm going to believe it anyway" got twisted into being seen as a positive thing. It's a celebration of ignorance.
i became very close to God during the recovery... and my grandmother is some sort of earth magic healer i'm convinced.. she was in my corner praying the whole time.
Do you think you would have made it if you got this infection 500 years ago and had people praying for you?
I think that I can show that prayer doesn't matter for this type of thing (or for anything in my opinion). Think of how long we lived, mortality rates from say 1000 years ago to today. If anything, we prayed more, faith was a much larger part of our lives say 500 years ago. Yet people died much more often, an infection was much more likely to kill you, we simply did not live as long. Over time science has improved, and if anything we believe less strongly today, yet we live longer, healthier lives.
So prayer has stayed a constant at best, declined in its use and our beliefs lessened more likely. Yet we are more likely to be cured today because of science. If prayer was really behind the healing, then why were mortality rates so much wores hundreds of years ago when we prayed more but science lacked?
To zanejohnson who found god through recovering from a terrible illness I just have to question the usefulness of attributing recovery to god? You have admitted you would likely be dead without advances in medicine so instead of singing the praises of god you should instead be singing the praises of man. Perhaps mentioning the doctors and nurses who helped you through it.
Just because people rarely survive what you went through and that must mean god exists is a terrible argument. It is more of a testament to the hard work of countless people who actually exist or have existed.
When I was younger I was in a car wreck without my seatbelt on and the windshield luckily held me in. If I had been flung out of the car I'd probably be dead or disabled. I attribute that "miracle" to man. Smart people figured out how to make better glass that does a great job of keeping people in cars during wrecks.
It seems to me crediting god discounts man and is that what we should be doing? If everyone thought that way I shudder to think of the society we would live in.
i went to the burn unit i was on after i was healed, and personally thanked them.. you know what they said? "Thank God."
they sent me a nice card in the mail later with all of there signatures.. that was really nice of them
This is a great story. I think you're right to hope/wonder about what God wants for you after having kept you around .
This is a great story. I think you're right to hope/wonder about what God wants for you after having kept you around .