For those who think Prime is useless at testing their machine stability...

xtreme2k

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This article is found within the Prime95 program itself... read it, and stop lying to youself.


STRESS TESTING YOUR COMPUTER

BACKGROUND
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Today's computers are not perfect. Even brand new systems from major
manufacturers can have hidden flaws. If any of several key components such
as CPU, memory, cooling, etc. are not up to spec, it can lead to incorrect
calculations and/or unexplained system crashes.

Overclocking is the practice of trying to increase the speed of the CPU and
memory in an effort to make a machine faster at little cost. Typically,
overclocking involves pushing their machine to the limits and then backing
off just a little bit.

For these reasons, both non-overclockers and overclockers need programs
that test the stability of their computers. This is done by running
programs that put a heavy load on the computer. Though not originally
designed for this purpose, this program is one of a few programs that
are excellent at stress testing a computer.


RESOURCES
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This program is a good stress test for the CPU, memory, caches, CPU
cooling, and case cooling. The torture test runs continuously, comparing
your computer's results to results that are known to be correct. Any
mismatch and you've got a problem! Note that the torture test sometimes
reads from and writes to disk but cannot be considered a stress test for
hard drives.

You'll need other programs to stress video cards, PCI bus, disk access,
networking and other important components. In addition, this is only one
of several good programs that are freely available. Some people report
better finding problems only when running two or more stress test programs
concurrently. You may need to raise prime95's priority when running two
stress test programs so that each gets about 50% of the CPU time.

Forums are a great place to learn about available stability test programs
and to get advice on what to do when a problem is found.

The currently popular stability test programs are (sorry, I don't have
web addresses for these):
Prime95 (this program's torture test)
3DMark2001
CPU Stability test
Sisoft sandra
Quake
Folding@Home
Seti@home
Genome@home

Several useful websites for help (look for overclocking community or forum):
http://www.hardocp.com
http://www.anandtech.com
http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.sharkyextreme.com
http://www.overclockers.com
Also try the alt.comp.hardware.overclocking Usenet newsgroup.

Utility programs you may find useful (I'm sure there are others - look around):
Motherboard monitor from http://mbm.livewiredev.com
Memtest86 from http://www.memtest86.com
TaskInfo2000 from http://www.iarsn.com/


WHAT TO DO IF A PROBLEM IS FOUND?
---------------------------------

The exact cause of a hardware problem can be very hard to find.

If you are not overclocking, the most likely cause is an overheating CPU
or memory SIMMs that are not quite up to spec. Another possibility is
you might need a better power supply. Try running MotherBoard monitor
and browse the forums above to see if your CPU is running too hot.
If so, make sure the heat sink is properly attached, fans are operational,
and air flow inside the case is good. For isolating memory problems, try
swapping memory SIMMs with a co-worker's or friend's machine. If the errors
go away, then you can be fairly confidant that memory was the cause of
the trouble.

If you are overclocking then try increasing the core voltage, reduce the
CPU speed, reduce the front side bus speed, or change the memory timings
(CAS latency). Also try asking for help in one of the forums above - they
may have other ideas to try.


CAN I IGNORE THE PROBLEM?
-------------------------

Ignoring the problem is a matter of personal preference. There are
two schools of thought on this subject.

It is likely that most programs you run will not stress your computer
enough to cause a wrong result or system crash. A few games stress your
machine and a system crash could result. Stay away from distributed
computing projects where an incorrect calculation might cause you to
return wrong results. You are not helping these projects by returning
bad data! In conclusion, if you are comfortable with a small risk of
an occasional system crash then feel free to live a little dangerously!

The second school of thought is, "Why run a stress test if you are going
to ignore the results?" These people want a guaranteed 100% rock solid
machine. Passing these stability tests gives them the ability to run
any program with confidence.


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
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Q) My machine is not overclocked. If I'm getting an error, then there must
be a bug in the program, right?

A) Unfortunately, no. The torture test is comparing your machines
results against KNOWN CORRECT RESULTS. If your machine cannot
generate correct results, you have a hardware problem.


Q) How long should I run the torture test?

A) I recommend running it for 24 hours. The program has been
known to fail only after several hours of operation. In most
cases though, it will fail within a few minutes on a flaky machine.

Q) Prime95 reports errors during the torture test, but other stability
tests don't. Do I have a problem?

A) Yes, you've reached the point where your machine has been
pushed just beyond its limits. Follow the recommendations above
to make your machine 100% stable or decide to live with a
machine that could have problems in rare circumstances.

Q) A forum member said "Don't bother with prime95, it always pukes on me,
and my system is stable!". What do you make of that?

or

We had a server at work that ran for 2 MONTHS straight, without a reboot
I installed Prime95 on it and ran it - a couple minutes later I get an error.
You are going to tell me that the server wasn't stable?

A) These users obviously do not subscribe to the 100% rock solid
school of thought. THEIR MACHINES DO HAVE HARDWARE PROBLEMS.
But since they are not presently running any programs that reveal
the hardware problem, the machines are quite stable. As long as
these machines never run a program that uncovers the hardware problem,
then the machines will continue to be stable.
 

Zebo

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Link for download please? I am up way to late to be doing this now...
 

Zebo

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xtreme


How the heck does this thing work? I run options>torture test and it just says test 1 lucas-lehmer iterations...... and never does anything else?
 

MrGrim

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So when it fails you can't blame the overclocking, unless you run it before you overclock and experience no errors.
 

xtreme2k

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Q) My machine is not overclocked. If I'm getting an error, then there must
be a bug in the program, right?

A) Unfortunately, no. The torture test is comparing your machines
results against KNOWN CORRECT RESULTS. If your machine cannot
generate correct results, you have a hardware problem.
 

xtreme2k

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<< xtreme


How the heck does this thing work? I run options>torture test and it just says test 1 lucas-lehmer iterations...... and never does anything else?
>>



It should be saying

Test 1, 400 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of Mxxxxxxx using 1024K FFT
then it continues with
Test 2...
Test 3...
Test 4...

If you can run it for a few hours, which it SHOULD... your system is fail stable.

 

BIGGDOG

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Thanks for the info. I have been running Sandra burn in and no problems but as soon as I let the system go they call me saying that they have incountered problems.

i will give it a try.
 

ArchAngel777

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I still think it is useless.

I have used a 24 hour loop on it. No errors, yet I play Quake3 for 10 minutes and it locks up... Yeah, great test Prime95 is...


That is not with this machine though. This was with my old celeron machine.
 

xtreme2k

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<< I still think it is useless.

I have used a 24 hour loop on it. No errors, yet I play Quake3 for 10 minutes and it locks up... Yeah, great test Prime95 is...


That is not with this machine though. This was with my old celeron machine.
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Since when does Prime95 test your 3d hardware....

Say I have a G2GTS default clock to 200/333. It is tested to be stable at 240/430.... but say I oc it to 250/440. It will certainly pass Prime since it arent doing any 3d functions... but once you get into Q3 which really stress your 3d hardware out... you get the problem...

Different program test different things...
 

Sleater

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<< I still think it is useless.

I have used a 24 hour loop on it. No errors, yet I play Quake3 for 10 minutes and it locks up... Yeah, great test Prime95 is...


That is not with this machine though. This was with my old celeron machine.
>>




Video card or sound card can cause a lockup in Q3. Prime95 just does math on your CPU.
 

Sleater

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<< So what's good to test the OC on your 3d card? >>



3dmark2001 is good for that

If your card is OCed too far you'll usually see weird textures and graphic's glitches on the screen
 

Special K

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How does Prime95 compare to RC5 as a stress tester? I heard that RC5 only stresses the CPU's ALU, is that correct? Does Prime95 use the ALU and FPU?
 

Sugadaddy

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<< How does Prime95 compare to RC5 as a stress tester? I heard that RC5 only stresses the CPU's ALU, is that correct? Does Prime95 use the ALU and FPU? >>




Don't know if it uses the ALU or FPU, but I know it's much tougher on a system than RC5...
 

Insane3D

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I like CPU stability test 6.0. It not only stresses the CPU like Prime, but also runs all the peripherals and memory subsystem through the ringer. Prime just stresses the CPU..
 

Aelus

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Prime refused to run on a system, later it turned out to be a bad DIMM, so apparently, it doesn't only stress the CPU.

Aelus
 

Lord Gwynz

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There was a program called BXBurn (or something like that) that seemed to stress my cpu even more than prime95 if cpu temps was any indication.

 

ArchAngel777

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<<< Prime refused to run on a system, later it turned out to be a bad DIMM, so apparently, it doesn't only stress the CPU. >>>

Yup.


Ok for starters, Prime95 does not test the 3D card. I understand that. But my lockups in Quake3, were not video/sound card related. It was due to memory errors. How do I know this? Well simple, because I changed memory timings and the lockups went away. When I changed them back, they started again...


Most of lockups in 3D games are not Video/sound card related... VERY few of them actually. System ram/timings is the problem 9 times out of 10.


So here we have an issue. You say it's supposed to test CPU, which often goes to system memory for calculations... But yet it does not test 3D? Perhaps not the 3D card, but it does 3D calculations, as your CPU needs to render before the VIDEO card can output it.


I think Prime95 is worthless. You don't need to run a 24 hour test on a CPU to see if it is stable... Unless of course you are running a mission critical server.


Call me bullheaded, but I think prime95 is a joke. No matter how big the readme of the author's is, to refute such claims.





 
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