Forbes: 'Gears of War: Ultimate Edition' On PC Is A Disaster For AMD Radeon Gamers

[PhonakV30]

hmm I didn't know that GoW uses HBAO+ ! yet they asked AMD users to disable "AMBIENT OCCLUSION" !!!

 

[Bacon1]

Is this going to be another disaster Windows 10 "app" like the new Tomb Raider where you can't even make the game proper full screen and use xfire/sli?

You can create custom SLI Profile with NVInspector for Rise of the Tomb Raider and it works, not sure if AMD allows you to do the same.

 

[Bacon1]

We have some Game developers here, just a question. How the f....ck would you release a game in such a poor state ??? Im a PC gamer since 1995, the last 2-3 years we have seen AAA titles released that were clearly in BETA, hell some of them were even worse. Why do developers release games in such a state the last 2-3 years ??

The "joy" of having updatable games. Instead of fixing before release its all day 1 patches and required drivers and a month of patches until its stable and performs well.

I remember joking about it back with early Battlefield games, as they always required a huge patch on launch day (After installing from disk). Now its even worse.

 

[crisium]

MS PC gaming is a joke. They keep trying to find ways to avoid Steam's 30% fee and each delivery platform is as bad as the last. Tomb Raider on the Windows Store is horrible compared to Steam in features and support. Then they cannot even optimize their games properly like Gears. Why do they bother when their only true relevance is Direct X.

 

[Madpacket]

We have some Game developers here, just a question. How the f....ck would you release a game in such a poor state ???

Not a game developer but work with developers almost daily. This is pretty easy to answer, mainly due to poor decisions by people with lots of power and little to no technical background who commit to unrealistic release dates to people with even more power who have to worry about quarterly earnings and stock prices.

 

[StereoPixel]

Driver Updates:

NVIDIA : GeForce Game Ready 362.00 WHQL driver for Far Cry Primal and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition Released
AMD : ???

 

[Madpacket]

You can create custom SLI Profile with NVInspector for Rise of the Tomb Raider and it works, not sure if AMD allows you to do the same.

Thanks, didn't know there was a workaround for SLI...

 

[Mahigan]

Hehehe, no worries. The game uses more than 6GB VRAM. This is fine for the R9 390 but without optimizations, will run poorly on the Fiji cards. AMD will simply fix that with a driver update. How? HBM is used like an embedded cache. So any textures/data needing to be rendered in a given frame, resides in the framebuffer (HBM). Any textures/data which is not needed, resides in the system RAM. So what the AMD driver does is use the PCIe bus to transfer data back and forth from the framebuffer to the system RAM and back again as needed. This requires game specific optimizations. This isn't new, AMD stated this back when they launched Fiji. So up to a week after launch, or if AMD get access to the game prior to launch, the issues will be resolved. NVIDIA will have to implement something similar for their GTX 980 Ti.

Have a read:
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/29/rise_tomb_raider_graphics_features_performance/4

 

[Paul98]

Not a game developer but work with developers almost daily. This is pretty easy to answer, mainly due to poor decisions by people with lots of power and little to no technical background who commit to unrealistic release dates to people with even more power who have to worry about quarterly earnings and stock prices.

This is it, it's also why it can be fixed quickly after release.

 

[Mahigan]

Driver Updates:

NVIDIA : GeForce Game Ready 362.00 WHQL driver for Far Cry Primal and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition Released
AMD : ???

Yeah,

Still some textures popping around. This is a rushed fix but better than nothing.

As for the frame rate cap, g-sync issues etc. That's a windows store issue which Microsoft said they will address.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Driver Updates:

NVIDIA : GeForce Game Ready 362.00 WHQL driver for Far Cry Primal and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition Released
AMD : ???

^^^^ Has been my main complaint with AMD for years and they have still yet to fix. AMD eventually releases drivers, but it is usually months later that they finally fix the issues. More and more I think it is a sign of their financial struggles. I think they simply just don't have the staffing needed to have developer teams working on testing major AAA titles and checking to see if their cards need some driver help to get it to run on their hardware.

 

[Bacon1]

Driver Updates:

NVIDIA : GeForce Game Ready 362.00 WHQL driver for Far Cry Primal and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition Released
AMD : ???

Quite shocking that a gameworks title like GOW doesn't have launch drivers for AMD... I'm simply amazed.

 

[monstercameron]

^^^^ Has been my main complaint with AMD for years and they have still yet to fix. AMD eventually releases drivers, but it is usually months later that they finally fix the issues. More and more I think it is a sign of their financial struggles. I think they simply just don't have the staffing needed to have developer teams working on testing major AAA titles and checking to see if their cards need some driver help to get it to run on their hardware.

This isn't a very truthful post, AMD releases tonnes of game ready drivers and beta drivers quite often.

 

[caswow]

^^^^ Has been my main complaint with AMD for years and they have still yet to fix. AMD eventually releases drivers, but it is usually months later that they finally fix the issues. More and more I think it is a sign of their financial struggles. I think they simply just don't have the staffing needed to have developer teams working on testing major AAA titles and checking to see if their cards need some driver help to get it to run on their hardware.

this is litteraly blown way out of proportion...

fact is amds drivers are good. they dont need game ready drivers. not even nvidias so called game ready drivers are ready for the games they release to...

 

[sxr7171]

this is litteraly blown way out of proportion...

fact is amds drivers are good. they dont need game ready drivers. not even nvidias so called game ready drivers are ready for the games they release to...

Those are just marketing. I played on both drivers and there is no difference I could find. They benchmark the same.

 

[StereoPixel]

This isn't a very truthful post, AMD releases tonnes of game ready drivers and beta drivers quite often.

The game was released today already. NV released the driver very quickly as lightning. Where is a new driver hotfix for AMD GPUs? When? A few days later? Or a couple of months?

 

[Stuka87]

^^^^ Has been my main complaint with AMD for years and they have still yet to fix. AMD eventually releases drivers, but it is usually months later that they finally fix the issues. More and more I think it is a sign of their financial struggles. I think they simply just don't have the staffing needed to have developer teams working on testing major AAA titles and checking to see if their cards need some driver help to get it to run on their hardware.

What you are saying is straight up false.

AMD releases tons of release day drivers, and beta drivers very often. However when it comes to game works games, AMD is often locked out of the dev process. This was the case with The Witcher 3, where CDPR straight up said "We wish we could help AMD, but we are not allowed to". Down the road a bit AMD cards were benching just as good, and in some cases better than nVidia cards.

Its not a matter of funding or staffing, its a matter of having early access to a game.

 

[HurleyBird]

We have some Game developers here, just a question. How the f....ck would you release a game in such a poor state ??? Im a PC gamer since 1995, the last 2-3 years we have seen AAA titles released that were clearly in BETA, hell some of them were even worse. Why do developers release games in such a state the last 2-3 years ??

I'm an indie, so I don't have quite the perspective you're looking for (although I do network with developers who have AAA experience) but in software development it is very rare that you're ever able to make a long term deadline without some form of compromise. For obvious reasons the further out the deadline, the less likely you are to meet it. Shipping a title *ahead* of time is almost unheard of (I'm sure there are examples somewhere, but I can't think of any off the top of my head). Developers for whatever reason, and I'm no exception, have a tendency to set deadlines that are unrealistic. It's almost like an informal law. While this is understood implicitly by most programmers it probably goes above the heads of a lot of business types.

 

[monstercameron]

The game was released today already. NV released the driver very quickly as lightning. Where is a new driver hotfix for AMD GPUs? When? A few days later? Or a couple of months?

even if they haven't released a driver for this specific title or any other title, why should/would they have to constantly release driver for every game launch?

seems like alot of work and would constantly introduce instability.

 

[caswow]

The game was released today already. NV released the driver very quickly as lightning. Where is a new driver hotfix for AMD GPUs? When? A few days later? Or a couple of months?

see you are the perfect example. in the title its says only amd has problems...which is not true. certain amd cards have problems as well as nvidia cards.

the title of this thread is straight up misleading and clickbait

 

[TXBPNT]

The game was released today already. NV released the driver very quickly as lightning. Where is a new driver hotfix for AMD GPUs? When? A few days later? Or a couple of months?

Nvidia has released a game ready driver for Far Cry Primal.Look if it has helped them in performance
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_primal_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html
A 290 is 5fps faster than a GTX 970

 

[PhonakV30]

AMD released driver only for Far cry Primal.

 

[sxr7171]

I'm an indie, so I don't have quite the perspective you're looking for (although I do network with developers who have AAA experience) but in software development it is very rare that you're ever able to make a long term deadline without some form of compromise. For obvious reasons the further out the deadline, the less likely you are to meet it. Shipping a title *ahead* of time is almost unheard of (I'm sure there are examples somewhere, but I can't think of any off the top of my head). Developers for whatever reason, and I'm no exception, have a tendency to set deadlines that are unrealistic. It's almost like an informal law. While this is understood implicitly by most programmers it probably goes above the heads of a lot of business types.

There's a great book out there "thinking fast and slow" which goes into detail on this issue.

 

[sxr7171]

even if they haven't released a driver for this specific title or any other title, why should/would they have to constantly release driver for every game launch?

seems like alot of work and would constantly introduce instability.

I believe seriously they just put in the game exe file in nv control panel so you can tweak it.

 

[atticus14]

Nice title OP. No agenda here right?