Force Fields

[everman]

Today I remembered hearing about how some guys at 3m accidentally created a force field, so I went and found what looks like a report about it. Link Sounds like what little I remember hearing a while ago, this was a facility where large spools of Polypropelene film on 50K ft rolls (20ft wide) were being transfered to smaller rolls by being cut.

The whole operation formed a cubical shaped tent, with two walls and a ceiling approximately 20ft square. The spools ran at 1000ft/min, or about 10MPH

Now when someone went under this area they were stopped by what seemed like a wall, they were able to repeat this the next day under the same conditions.

So my question is, has there been any further work in this area? Possibly creating a device which can make these force fields? (searched in ot and HT and found nothing).

 

[dejitaru]

How did they do it?

 

[everman]

What they did is in that link, but it sounds like they don't really even know how or why it did that.

 

[DannyBoy]

Thats ounds REALLY cool

 

[dejitaru]

Ah, that. Sounds nice.

I'd like to have the hardware to be able to do that at home.

 

[gururu]

the problem with the phenomenon is described; that is, they did not prove it was a wall. In my opinion, it is all about the medium.
we have electrical fences which are like force fields, but metal is necessary to conduct the energy. In the 3M case, maybe it was dense ,humid, negatively charged air. there needs to be a way to confine the medium to a space, upon which energy can be input to serve as a barrier. this will be very difficult to accomplish in open air or water.

i really don't ever see force fields materializing in my future.

 

[apoppin]

The "story" sounds "fake".

 

[Topher]

He commented that he "didn't know whether to fix it or sell tickets."

LOL!

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: Topher

He commented that he "didn't know whether to fix it or sell tickets."

LOL!

Sell tickets!

I used to work for Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing, why didnt I ever walk into any force fields :|

Dan

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrFiTTy

Originally posted by: Topher

He commented that he "didn't know whether to fix it or sell tickets."

LOL!

Sell tickets!

I used to work for Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing, why didnt I ever walk into any force fields :|

Dan

Obviously you haven't tried to get into their "secure R&D facilities" . . . if it isN'T fake, here is one practical 3M application.

What makes anyone here reading this that it is ISN'T just a " 'net story " ?

 

[Evadman]

There are strange forces when you deal with large amounts of sheet goods. My mother runs a wall paper printing plant that prints on vinyl for prebuilt homes, paneling, etc.

There is some wierd stuff going on in that building with electrical fields. One of the tools they have is called a "rewinder". this takes the printed vinyl and unspools it frolm one roll, and puts it on another. this is done so the print is on the outside of the roll. but anyway, this vinyl spins like the dickens and you can literaly see electrical discharges jump the 3' to the floor from the rolls. If you dim the lights the rolls seem to glow a little bit. A guy who has been working there since the place opened makes little paper guys and stands them up on the roll as it is spinning. the guy jumps around (standing straight up mind you) and looks like he is dancing. so somethign has to keep the 2 dimensional piece of paper standing up on a spinning roll. I am sure it is just ESD that is keeping it there, but who says you can not keep a person standing up like that against other forces?

There is also a section on each press that is just as this article explained. a "room" in the middle of the press with 2 walls and a roof. the vinyl is not being split though. From what I understand, this is for checking the ink colors and alignment. hell, it may just be there for walking between the presses as they are about 700' long. long way around

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Evadman
There are strange forces . . .

I see.

[cues eX-Files music]

(Why are you telling us? Trust No one!)

There is some wierd stuff going on in that building . . .

. . . A guy who has been working there since the place opened makes little paper guys and stands them up on the roll . . .

Ok . . . even if so, the "conclusion" you reach about ESD's effect on a person is quite a "reach" . . . :Q

 

[dejitaru]

Originally posted by: apoppin
The "story" sounds "fake".

No, it's real, just not quite a force field. They've been able to replicate this in laboratories.

 

[Evadman]

It wasn't a conclusion, it was a guess. There is quite a bit we do not understand, and I can easily see a "force field" as being something that may happen.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dejitaru

Originally posted by: apoppin
The "story" sounds "fake".

No, it's real, just not quite a force field. They've been able to replicate this in laboratories.

That seems reasonable . . . The conclusion of "force field" didn't seem to describe the "effect".

I'd be interested to see more research . . .

 

[everman]

As they described it, the guy had to actually back away from it, he could not turn is body around. Seems to indicate a stronger field more akin to a wall. as for authenticity, I did originally hear it on tech tv a while back (they're usually rather credible but certainly not an authority).

Anyways, if it is true, I wonder how far off we are to an actual device that can produce this effect. I can only imagine how interested the defense dept. would be.

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MrFiTTy

Originally posted by: Topher

He commented that he "didn't know whether to fix it or sell tickets."

LOL!

Sell tickets!

I used to work for Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing, why didnt I ever walk into any force fields :|

Dan

Obviously you haven't tried to get into their "secure R&D facilities" . . . if it isN'T fake, here is one practical 3M application.

What makes anyone here reading this that it is ISN'T just a " 'net story " ?

Secure R & D?

Nah I worked on there new offices in Bracknell where i live

Dan

 

[Shalmanese]

As always, 3M come up with a soultion that is way too technologically advanced for what it does. We've been able to create force fields for over 6000 years. There called "walls". If you want a transperant force-field, its called a "window".

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: Shalmanese
As always, 3M come up with a soultion that is way too technologically advanced for what it does. We've been able to create force fields for over 6000 years. There called "walls". If you want a transperant force-field, its called a "window".

Theres always one isnt there

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Shalmanese
As always, 3M come up with a soultion that is way too technologically advanced for what it does. We've been able to create force fields for over 6000 years. There called "walls". If you want a transperant force-field, its called a "window".

Yes, these "walls" and "windows" are old and therefore good.

 

[ReiAyanami]

open the door and see a door-to-door salesman, activate force field so he cannot turn but only can back away. open trap door....


a practical application already! and of course our latest starship fighters of the future will be armed with giant spinning vinyl spindles to generate force shields!

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
open the door and see a door-to-door salesman, activate force field so he cannot turn but only can back away. open trap door....


a practical application already! and of course our latest starship fighters of the future will be armed with giant spinning vinyl spindles to generate force shields!

I beg your pardon ?

 

[capybara]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
open the door and see a door-to-door salesman, activate force field so he cannot turn but only can back away. open trap door....


a practical application already! and of course our latest starship fighters of the future will be armed with giant spinning vinyl spindles to generate force shields!

future headline: Saddam captured and held prisoner by giant spinning rolls of polypropelene
war avoided and thousands of lives saved by secret force field

 

[joe4324]

Perhaps "walls" of charged particles (air) could be created with electricity in the fairly recent future. But what about sound waves? I've heard some "interesting" stories about all kinds of tests using sound waves as everything from sound-proofing. to weapons. I'd love to find more information on this.

 

[DannyBoy]

I also heard of sound waves being used as weapons. Not walls but weapons yea.

Its quite believeable that a sound wave can be used.

I mean after all a nuck's sound wave is enough to suck the air out your lungs, blow you off your feet, and deafen you in the space of a few Milliseconds.

Dan