Forced Healthcare

[Nebor]

http://cbs4denver.com/local/To...lett.All.2.625138.html

Officers Raid Home, Take 11-Year-Old To Hospital
NEW CASTLE, Colo. (AP) ? A tactical law enforcement team broke into Tom Shiflett's home and took his 11-year-old son to hospital for court-ordered medical treatment for a minor head injury.

Garfield County's All Hazards Response Team raided the home Friday night, a day after Jon Shiflett fell after grabbing the handle of a moving car. The child was returned to the family at about 2:30 a.m. Saturday, hours after the raid.

"Inappropriate is not nearly strong enough a word. It was gross irresponsibility and stupidity," said Ross Talbott, owner of the Apple Tree Mobile Home Park south of New Castle who rents to the Shifletts and who witnessed the raid. "Is this Russia? I don't know what we're coming to when they think your kid needs medical help and they send a SWAT team."

In the end, the injury wasn't as severe as caseworkers from the Garfield County Department of Social Services thought when they went before a judge seeking a search warrant and order for medical treatment.

The doctor recommended fluids, Tylenol and ice to treat the bruises, according to a copy of Jon's patient aftercare instructions.

Tom Shiflett, 62, who said he served as a medic in Vietnam, had told authorities that he had the skill to treat his son.

Garfield County sheriff's spokeswoman Tanny McGinnis said two deputies were first sent to notify Shiflett of a court order for his son's medical treatment and that Shiflett did not comply.

Caseworkers who visited the family Friday reported seeing injuries that including a "huge hematoma" and a sluggish pupil.

Six of Tom and Tina Shiflett's 10 children still live at home.

"In all there was not one shred of evidence found that we had done anything wrong or that Jon had not been properly cared for at home," Tina Shiflett said.

(© 2008 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

Police state update: We'll take your kids at gunpoint!

This is ridiculous. Every week we hear stories of SWAT teams using inappropriate force against people either mistakenly or wrongly. This is the result of the militarization of our police force, the establishment of thousands of SWAT teams, and the worthless War on Drugs.

Remember when Hillary said people would be compelled to see a doctor at least once a year under her UHC? Guess how you're getting there.... in handcuffs or a body bag.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is what Americans have asked for, this is what they get. I believe Karl Marx gave them the idea.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
This is what Americans have asked for.

Says who?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe Karl Marx gave them the idea.

what?

 

[OutHouse]

holy mother of God! i cant even tell you how pissed that makes me.

 

[Genx87]

You give the state the power, it will abuse it.

 

[senseamp]

Was it Elian Gonzalez?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Genx87
You give the state the power, it will abuse it.

:thumbsup:

 

[tidehigh]

fucking fuck fuckity fuck. I'd be dead if this happened at my house. gunfight vs SWAT team ftl

 

[CPA]

I heard this on the Michael Savage show last night. You socialist, power-hungry, universal healthcare whiners just got a glimpse of what it will be like with the government in control of your health.

I'd also like to know what credentials these nazi socialworkers have they qualify them to make a diagnosis of a "huge hematoma".

I hope this guy sues the bejeezus out of the state and the police department.

 

[1EZduzit]

Report for treatment or we'll kill you, LOL, talk about bizzaro world!!

The father is 62 years old, still has 6 kids at home and lives (rents?) a trailer?? I think this is what happens when the cost of medical treatment has been allowed to get so outrageous that a father defy's a court order rather then have to pay $500 for medical care that's not needed.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Government run amok.

 

[Carmen813]

This has nothing to do with Universal Healthcare and everything to do with police overstepping their bounds. Gimme a break people.

 

[techs]

Of course, if this had been a case where the parents were neglecting to care for their child this wouldn't have been an issue.
This was a mistake in judgement. NOT a mistake in the laws protecting minors.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: techs
Rudy Guiliani as President would be like throwing gasoline on a burning buildingq]

Fire! Fire!


Liar Liar Pants On . . .Whoa!

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: CPA
I heard this on the Michael Savage show last night. You socialist, power-hungry, universal healthcare whiners just got a glimpse of what it will be like with the government in control of your health.

I'd also like to know what credentials these nazi socialworkers have they qualify them to make a diagnosis of a "huge hematoma".

I hope this guy sues the bejeezus out of the state and the police department.

Wow, early runner for dumbest post of the year.

 

[alchemize]

It's been going on for a while...

 

[ranmaniac]

As long as enough people tolerate this, it will continue to happen. Need to have the person in charge of that police department fired, as apparently they're wasting taxpayer money sending SWAT teams for ice patches.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe Karl Marx gave them the idea.

what?

Taking children away from the negative influence of parents, having government raise/control the kids - etc.

Originally posted by: Carmen813
This has nothing to do with Universal Healthcare and everything to do with police overstepping their bounds. Gimme a break people.

Government must enforce its idea of healthcare, by force. Seems to be related. If you don?t do what they want, you?re abusing your children and thus the police are called in.

 

[newnameman]

"I like mandates" - Mitt Romney.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe Karl Marx gave them the idea.

what?

Taking children away from the negative influence of parents, having government raise/control the kids - etc.

Originally posted by: Carmen813
This has nothing to do with Universal Healthcare and everything to do with police overstepping their bounds. Gimme a break people.

Government must enforce its idea of healthcare, by force. Seems to be related. If you don?t do what they want, you?re abusing your children and thus the police are called in.

Does this happen in other countries with UHC? I certainly have never heard of it happening.

It has more to do with police being turned from public servants into a almost military force with insufficient oversight.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: CPA
I heard this on the Michael Savage show last night. You socialist, power-hungry, universal healthcare whiners just got a glimpse of what it will be like with the government in control of your health.

I'd also like to know what credentials these nazi socialworkers have they qualify them to make a diagnosis of a "huge hematoma".

I hope this guy sues the bejeezus out of the state and the police department.

Yep, our tax dollars at work. We pay for them to go in and create havoc. Then the guy sues (and rightfully so). Guess who gets to pay for this guys winnings?

 

[manowar821]

You idiot neo-cons do realize that fascism is primarily a RIGHT-wing problem, correct? Since we don't actually HAVE socialized healthcare, I don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about socialism. Under a NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system, you'd be fully able to choose whether or not you want to go to the doctor. That's not my point though, my point is... WHERE'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN POLICE RAIDS AND (non-existent) SOCIALIZED HEALTH-CARE??

SO... That being said, this is fricking crazy story.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: manowar821
You idiot neo-cons do realize that fascism is primarily a RIGHT-wing problem, correct? Since we don't actually HAVE socialized healthcare, I don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about socialism. Under a NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system, you'd be fully able to choose whether or not you want to go to the doctor. That's not my point though, my point is... WHERE'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN POLICE RAIDS AND (non-existent) SOCIALIZED HEALTH-CARE??

SO... That being said, this is fricking crazy story.

LOL - yah, there's never been any fascism under left wing ideologies. China, Russia, Cuba, etc. never really happened.

"NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system" Now there's an oxymoron.

Generally left wingers act like fascists when they invoke the nefarious "it's for the children!" clause.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: manowar821
You idiot neo-cons do realize that fascism is primarily a RIGHT-wing problem, correct? Since we don't actually HAVE socialized healthcare, I don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about socialism. Under a NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system, you'd be fully able to choose whether or not you want to go to the doctor. That's not my point though, my point is... WHERE'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN POLICE RAIDS AND (non-existent) SOCIALIZED HEALTH-CARE??

SO... That being said, this is fricking crazy story.

LOL - yah, there's never been any fascism under left wing ideologies. China, Russia, Cuba, etc. never really happened.

"NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system" Now there's an oxymoron.

Generally left wingers act like fascists when they invoke the nefarious "it's for the children!" clause.

I never said never.

GENERALLY, my point is valid. Also, it's not an oxymoron. Just ask the French, but quickly, before their new neo-con prick of a president destroys it.

Are you just playing dumb for the argument's sake?