Forced Healthcare

[OutHouse]

how the frick is a French president a Neo-con?

or are you just playing dumb for arguments sake?

 

[Siddhartha]

What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: manowar821
You idiot neo-cons do realize that fascism is primarily a RIGHT-wing problem, correct? Since we don't actually HAVE socialized healthcare, I don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about socialism. Under a NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system, you'd be fully able to choose whether or not you want to go to the doctor. That's not my point though, my point is... WHERE'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN POLICE RAIDS AND (non-existent) SOCIALIZED HEALTH-CARE??

SO... That being said, this is fricking crazy story.

Oh, ok. So I'll be able to fully choose not to pay for something I won't use then, right? Oh no wait, I don't pay and you send the SWAT team.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Citrix
how the frick is a French president a Neo-con?

or are you just playing dumb for arguments sake?

You're kidding, right?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: manowar821
You idiot neo-cons do realize that fascism is primarily a RIGHT-wing problem, correct? Since we don't actually HAVE socialized healthcare, I don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about socialism. Under a NON-athoritarian socialized healthcare system, you'd be fully able to choose whether or not you want to go to the doctor. That's not my point though, my point is... WHERE'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN POLICE RAIDS AND (non-existent) SOCIALIZED HEALTH-CARE??

SO... That being said, this is fricking crazy story.

Oh, ok. So I'll be able to fully choose not to pay for something I won't use then, right? Oh no wait, I don't pay and you send the SWAT team.

Hey, just like the federal income tax, right? How is this different? Well, except that the fed doesn't save lives, health-care COULD in theory.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Citrix
how the frick is a French president a Neo-con?

or are you just playing dumb for arguments sake?

You have to remember that, to people like manowar821, anyone to the "the right" of Chavez is an "evul neocon."

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I believe Karl Marx gave them the idea.

what?

Taking children away from the negative influence of parents, having government raise/control the kids - etc.

Originally posted by: Carmen813
This has nothing to do with Universal Healthcare and everything to do with police overstepping their bounds. Gimme a break people.

Government must enforce its idea of healthcare, by force. Seems to be related. If you don?t do what they want, you?re abusing your children and thus the police are called in.

That's every single law on the book, period. Again, not anything to do with universal healthcare.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Genx87
You give the state the power, it will abuse it.

The problem is, the majority didn't give it to them.

Between the Federal Government, State Governments, and Local Governments, they have twisted the law, used their courts to enforce them, to create the society we live in today.

There are just too many people who only survive because of the government, as a result they are willing to usurp your rights to maintain their free ride.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Citrix
how the frick is a French president a Neo-con?

or are you just playing dumb for arguments sake?

You have to remember that, to people like manowar821, anyone to the "the right" of Chavez is an "evul neocon."

Yeah, you got me. Couldn't have anything to do with being lying murderers who hide behind a fake veil of compassion and faith to rally the idiot masses against anything not status-quo, or anything. Yep. Yoouuu got me.

 

[alchemize]

Don't get me wrong, I support healthcare reform and (some forms) of universal healthcare. We need to find a national solution, hopefully implemented at the state level, that deals with the uninsured. If nothing more for the reason that uninsured people going to the emergency room drives up overall healthcare costs.

But it's sheer idiocy to think that there aren't plenty of well-intentioned socialists out there willing to trample over our rights in the name of "save the children" & "the greater good". This generally happens at the state and local level, and there's plenty of evidence of it in healthcare, in education choices (homeschooling/private schools), in social choices (smoking, rap lyrics), etc.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Citrix
how the frick is a French president a Neo-con?

or are you just playing dumb for arguments sake?

You have to remember that, to people like manowar821, anyone to the "the right" of Chavez is an "evul neocon."

Yeah, you got me. Couldn't have anything to do with being lying murderers who hide behind a fake veil of compassion and faith to rally the idiot masses against anything not status-quo, or anything. Yep. Yoouuu got me.

I don't even know wtf all of that garbage even means... what I do know is that you call everyone who disagrees with you an "Evul neocon."

now, as for this SWAT raid, I'd agree that it doesnt really have anything to do with UHC... but it's still incredibly fvcked up!

 

[Fern]

OK, this sounds so extreme and stupid there must be more to the story.

Why, or how, for example were case workers visiting this family etc.

If they judge issued an order for further treatment, why did the clerk of court etc not just call or have it served the normal way?

Etc.

Fern

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

WTF? the child DID NOT have a life threating head wound.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Fern
OK, this sounds so extreme and stupid there must be more to the story.

Why, or how, for example were case workers visiting this family etc.

If they judge issued an order for further treatment, why did the clerk of court etc not just call or have it served the normal way?

Etc.

Fern

The police use the SWAT team to serve warrants at their discretion. And as long as they spend a couple million a year on that SWAT team, they might as well use it, right?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

WTF? the child DID NOT have a life threating head wound.

My point is, if you thought the child's life was in danger what would you do?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

WTF? the child DID NOT have a life threating head wound.

My point is, if you thought the child's life was in danger what would you do?

Let the parents deal with it? Why must nanny staters like you insist that government hover over every living being ready to pounce?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

WTF? the child DID NOT have a life threating head wound.

My point is, if you thought the child's life was in danger what would you do?

Let the parents deal with it? Why must nanny staters like you insist that government hover over every living being ready to pounce?

Come on, you know the answer to that. For all the rhetoric about the wisdom of the common man, surely you must realize that people aren't always perfect and always responsible. The function of government is chiefly to make sure that the bad decisions people inevitably make don't affect everyone else. If you're injured and you don't want to go to the hospital, that's your choice. But you don't have the right to choose not to get your child medical care in a life or death situation any more than you have the right to drive 120 mph down the highway. If people are being irresponsible parents, you're damn right I think the government should step in.

Far right libertarianism is just as stupid as far left socialism. While it's dumb to complete trust the government, the average Joe isn't so great either. "Letting the parents deal with it" is a great idea in theory, but what about the parents that DON'T "deal with it"?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the average Joe isn't so great either.

Ah yes, there's that leftist disdain for the common man.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What do you think would be the appropriate actions if the child had a life threatening head wound?

Do nothing and let the child die?

WTF? the child DID NOT have a life threating head wound.

My point is, if you thought the child's life was in danger what would you do?

Let the parents deal with it? Why must nanny staters like you insist that government hover over every living being ready to pounce?

They put the American life over the American way of life.

 

[Siddhartha]

I personally would have an ethical problem with not trying to save a child's life

If I knew of a situation where a parent was endangering their child or anyone was endangering a child and I did not do anything and the child died I would live with that on my conscience for the rest of my life.

Some of you need to check your ethics, doing the right thing, on this one.

 

[rpanic]

Has to be a lot more to the story. Why are social workers going there in the first place? DFCS workers must have thought there was something potentially dangerous with the parents and were not able to do thier job, usually they would just take the child right on the spot to the hospital, I find it strange that they would leave the child there when they thought there might be a life threatening injury. This whole story sounds strange.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I personally would have an ethical problem with not trying to save a child's life

If I knew of a situation where a parent was endangering their child or anyone was endangering a child and I did not do anything and the child died I would live with that on my conscience for the rest of my life.

Some of you need to check your ethics, doing the right thing, on this one.

OK, this type of attitude is what is causing the problem. Basically the situation is worded such that no one can disagree with it without coming out looking inhuman. Its the standard game plan.

Abuses by DFCS workers is legendary. You can find articles everyday across the country. However the majority of their abuses slip by because they have the courts and police on their side. You on the otherhand are guilty until proven innocent.

This is the world created by people who wanted more control over other people's lives because these other people didn't think like them. The best method was to threaten the children of these people. So by highlighting real abuse cases they are able to craft laws which provide so much leeway than anything they need to define as abuse is abuse.

"for the children" should be a red flag in anyone's mind

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: CPA
I heard this on the Michael Savage show last night. You socialist, power-hungry, universal healthcare whiners just got a glimpse of what it will be like with the government in control of your health.

I'd also like to know what credentials these nazi socialworkers have they qualify them to make a diagnosis of a "huge hematoma".

I hope this guy sues the bejeezus out of the state and the police department.

Wow, early runner for dumbest post of the year.

So, it's okay for social workers to be making doorstep diagnoses? It's okay to have those some government employees request a raid on the house to have someone taken to the hospital.

I don't mind being criticized, but why don't you put up a counter-argument instead of being an asshat.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the average Joe isn't so great either.

Ah yes, there's that leftist disdain for the common man.

Ah yes, there's that libertarian disdain for common humanity. Help people? Not on my watch!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the average Joe isn't so great either.

Ah yes, there's that leftist disdain for the common man.

Ah yes, there's that libertarian disdain for common humanity. Help people? Not on my watch!

Yes, this example is a perfect for what happens when the govt helps.