Ford and Housing....

ericlp

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...nPEOVzfNnDE&refer=home

So ford profits 100 million...

And new home sales fall to the lowest sine 1990's!


Sheesh...

Ford Posts $100 Million Profit

Ford has cut 46,300 jobs in North America the past two years and in 2007 negotiated a new labor contract to reduce U.S. labor expenses. Most of the cost savings of the accord with the United Auto Workers haven't kicked in.

That agreement calls for Ford to shed retiree health-care obligations to a union-run fund that will be formed in 2010. Ford said today an additional 4,200 UAW-represented employees in the U.S. accepted buyouts during the first quarter.

The first-quarter results included $416 million in costs Ford considered one-time items. There were $223 million in job - cutting expenses and $108 million to reduce the number of U.S. dealers.


Isn't it funny how they say cut 46K jobs in North America like they don't want to tell you that 99% of all the jobs they cut were in the USA!







http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04...ess/24econ-web.html?hp

Mean while....

New-Home Sales Fall to Low Last Seen in 1990s..........

ales of new homes in March plummeted to the lowest level since the housing recession of the 1990s, the government said on Thursday, as inventories rose to the highest point in more than a quarter century.

Buyers vanished from the housing market last month at a swift rate. Sales of new homes fell 8.5 percent, a far sharper decline than economists had forecast.

Sales are running at an annual rate of 526,000 after adjusting for seasonal factors, the lowest point since October 1991.

Adding to the gloom, the Commerce Department lowered its initial estimate for February sales as well, to a 5.3 percent decline from 1.8 percent.

At the current sales rate, it will take 11 months for builders to work off the current backlog, the biggest inventory pile-up since 1981.

?The housing sector will continue to act as deadweight on overall growth throughout the remainder of 2008,? an economist at IdeaGlobal, Joseph Brusuelas, wrote in a note to clients.

Sales fell in every region of the country, with the Northeast suffering the steepest drop, 19.4 percent.

Prices continue to fall as well, which could discourage would-be buyers from entering the market. The median price of a new home dropped in March to $227,600, down 13.3 percent from a year ago. That drop followed price declines of 2.6 percent in February and 8.5 percent in January.

The housing slump, coupled with the current slowdown, have weighed heavily on manufacturing, as Americans shy away from large purchases.

Facing a sharp drop in demand, many businesses have become reluctant to make large investments in capital equipment. The government reported on Thursday that manufacturing orders fell again in March, the third consecutive monthly decline.


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OK, I find this a little troubling.........


Don't we need to keep jobs here? I mean........... How is one going to afford to buy a home with out a decent paying job? Anyone else see a relationship here?

So, is this a signal to the rest of the business ??? In order to make a profit start cutting jobs?

Is the US worker over paid? Are we going to cut back on the minimum wage? I dunno but this doesn't look good, as no new homes means plumbers, roofers, electricians, framers etc...etc.... that rely on the work not to mention the manufactures that produce the products are all going to be taking a hit ....

Dunno, the outlook isn't looking too good.




 

Genx87

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So what do you suggest? Ford be forced to overpay thier workforce and eventually fold shop sending everybody out of a job?

Many of the people laid off over the past couple of years have done it of their own free will through a buyout.

As for housing. There was a lot of people getting into homes they couldnt afford. Lots of people who bought homes to flip them and got burned. Lots of scams by financial institutions. Bubbles happen, the market needs a correction.

There was an interesting article in the Star and Sickle last week about the county I live in. It was a hot market about 2 years ago with annual appreciated at a bit over 8% per year. Now of course the speculators got burned and there are lots of empty homes.

The two examples they used in the article made it hard for me to feel sorry for them, eventhough they were duped into buying. One guy bought 1.2 millioon dollars worth of homes when he lives in a trailer. The hope was he would rent them and sell for a nice profit. It came crashing down and the guy has 12 months of missing payments and the banks are taking back the homes. Oh the few people who rented from him were evicted and utterly trashed the place. Who really got hurt here? That guy's credit is shot for at least 6 years. So he is hurt. The bank is hurt because it now has 1.2 million dollars in loans outstanding on homes now worth 800K. It was a simple example of his greed getting in the way of his judgement and people preying on that.

The other example was a man who bought and walked away from the closing with 40K in cash. You think he did the smart thing and reinvest that into the property? Nah he immediately went out and bought a truck. I cant feel sorry for people that effing stupid.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Genx87
So what do you suggest? Ford be forced to overpay thier workforce and eventually fold shop sending everybody out of a job?

Many of the people laid off over the past couple of years have done it of their own free will through a buyout.

I don't know the specifics of Ford's buyouts for their laid off workers but I'll bet they got a better deal than we did when they closed our office (our company got swallowed by a larger one). I had 18 1/2 years with a company and my severance was 2 weeks pay + 1 week for every year of service. The best part? It was capped at 8 weeks so anyone with 6 years got the same deal as those with 10, 15, 20, etc.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Genx87
So what do you suggest? Ford be forced to overpay thier workforce and eventually fold shop sending everybody out of a job?

Many of the people laid off over the past couple of years have done it of their own free will through a buyout.

I don't know the specifics of Ford's buyouts for their laid off workers but I'll bet they got a better deal than we did when they closed our office (our company got swallowed by a larger one). I had 18 1/2 years with a company and my severance was 2 weeks pay + 1 week for every year of service. The best part? It was capped at 8 weeks so anyone with 6 years got the same deal as those with 10, 15, 20, etc.

If I remember right the most senior people were getting in the range of 120-200K buyouts. People who were there about 5 years were getting 20-30K. I dont know about any benefits it included.
 

ericlp

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Well, the whole point to this... Was that I found it funny that they were BOTH in the news at the same time. Yeah this has been going on for a long time, layoffs and job cuts and low housing market. Just makes it ironic I guess to see the effects all in the same day. Maybe when we get 3-4 of these things happening in the news on the same day someone might take notice? who knows....


Apparently who cares.... It was bound to happen and will continue to happen -- Then everyone can say well the writing was on the wall.. As for the homes, this isn't about people getting scammed or duped into buying anything... the problem is the LACK of buyers... I guess you can feel sorry for the home builders losing their jobs but maybe not....
 

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Originally posted by: ericlp

Is the US worker over paid? Are we going to cut back on the minimum wage?

union job cuts were mostly voluntary buy outs. and autoworkers are paid way more than minimum wage.

As for the homes, this isn't about people getting scammed or duped into buying anything... the problem is the LACK of buyers... I guess you can feel sorry for the home builders losing their jobs but maybe not....
hard to buy with the way the credit markets have overreacted. it's really hard to get money for a house now. not to mention that in uncertain times people become conservative and hunker down. you're not going to buy a new house without some good economic motivator.
 

Fern

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Meh, I don't see the big connection with housing. Right, 40K people got laid off so it causes a nation-wide housing slump? Bwuhahaha.

But I'm completely astonished that Ford Motor Company managed a profit. Oh well. one less government bailout!

Fern
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Fern
Meh, I don't see the big connection with housing. Right, 40K people got laid off so it causes a nation-wide housing slump? Bwuhahaha.

But I'm completely astonished that Ford Motor Company managed a profit. Oh well. one less government bailout!

Fern

ford is actually doing quite well elsewhere. it's the north american area where it's struggling. medical costs being what they are and all.
 

chucky2

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Not sure about Management, but the Union buyout options topped out at like $130k or something like that...but you walked away from your medical bennies (you still kept your pension). That was only available to people close to retirement or who could retire.

When Ford did the first round of buyouts they had a lot of different offers, none of them frankly that good unless you were ready to retire already.

Giving someone $50k, which the government takes half of, and they're not back out on the street with $25k-$30k looking at jobs that don't pay close to what they were making, is not really Ford going out of their way.

You all can be assured of one thing however:

Top Management will continue to rake in Millions for basically lending no real value to the business, and FoMoCo vehicles will still cost the same....so.....where'd all that money go again????? Hmmmm......

Chuck
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Not sure about Management, but the Union buyout options topped out at like $130k or something like that...but you walked away from your medical bennies (you still kept your pension). That was only available to people close to retirement or who could retire.

When Ford did the first round of buyouts they had a lot of different offers, none of them frankly that good unless you were ready to retire already.

Giving someone $50k, which the government takes half of, and they're not back out on the street with $25k-$30k looking at jobs that don't pay close to what they were making, is not really Ford going out of their way.

You all can be assured of one thing however:

Top Management will continue to rake in Millions for basically lending no real value to the business, and FoMoCo vehicles will still cost the same....so.....where'd all that money go again????? Hmmmm......

Chuck

Sounds to me like it went to turn a profit like any corporation should stride to make.
 

dahunan

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Corporations don't do anything wrong.. only people who let them get so big are at fault :roll:
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: chucky2
Not sure about Management, but the Union buyout options topped out at like $130k or something like that...but you walked away from your medical bennies (you still kept your pension). That was only available to people close to retirement or who could retire.

When Ford did the first round of buyouts they had a lot of different offers, none of them frankly that good unless you were ready to retire already.

Giving someone $50k, which the government takes half of, and they're not back out on the street with $25k-$30k looking at jobs that don't pay close to what they were making, is not really Ford going out of their way.

You all can be assured of one thing however:

Top Management will continue to rake in Millions for basically lending no real value to the business, and FoMoCo vehicles will still cost the same....so.....where'd all that money go again????? Hmmmm......

Chuck

Sounds to me like it went to turn a profit like any corporation should stride to make.

If they wanted to turn a real profit, they could fire half their Upper Management, who are the ones that made the sh1t decisions that influenced their current and past vehicle line-ups that got them here in the first place, and then maybe the company would start making traction.

Chuck
 

rartech

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Here is one you should really be looking at:

Mobil/Exxon: $40.6 billion dollar profit (yes, that's Billion)
Gas prices: $3.50 - $4.00 (record highs)

Hmmmm.........
 
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