Ford Fusion Commercial

[Troll4Hire]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: spidey07
The fusion is a better car for less. What is so hard to understand about this?

If your gonna buy into one form of marketing, you better be prepared to be swung by another.

doesn't matter if it breaks down after 50k miles where the camry/accord will barely be broken in.

We have 1999 Contour that hasn't been on repair in full 4 yrs... sincethe day it was bought.

STFU - your generalization blows.

My 1991 Ford has only needed one repair: A new timing belt. And My 1986 needed A new Radiator and that is it.

 

[Troll4Hire]

Originally posted by: animalia
boycott ford! oh wait, I drive one.

????????

 

[spaceman]

I looked at the fusion the other day at the ford dealership.
sharp looking car.


I (L) ford trucks.

 

[spaceman]

the camry and accord have to two of the dullest cars going.
boring fwd sedans tho the new camry is a looker, i really cannot stand the honda accord.

 

[fisheerman]

I just bought a new 07 accord EX after testing most cars in this segment and have to say it wasn't even a hard decision. It actually came down to the Accord and the new 07 Altima. The rest of the cars were easily outclassed including the Fusion (my wife hated the way it drove... blah) which brings me to my point.

YOU GUYS ARE DEBATING THE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCES OF FAMILY MID SIZED CARS.

They are all designed to do the same things get your family safe from one place to the other not win the daytona 500.

Ford has shoot its own reputation to hell by ignoring the mid sized car segment for years while racking up in the pickup and suv market. Now it is trying to play catchup by offering more features on its cars for the same price as the LEADERS are (Accord & Camry).

When you buy an Accord or Camry you know what you are getting years of reputation. Buying a fusion is a gamble until it is proving.

Not with my money.

nuff said

-fish

 

[Troll4Hire]

Last year TOYOTA recalled more cars than they actually produced! In fact, TOYOTA's relability ratings have slipped and GM did a better job in the department of BUILD QUALITY

If you don't believe me, then fire up Windows media player and listen to this news source

 

[spaceman]

toyota and honda should team up and release the "camcordy"

 

[TraumaRN]

I'll toss a couple things out there.

My girlfriend has a 2006 Fusion V6 SEL AWD. I love the way it drives, handles, looks. Just a nice all around car.

That said, she works for Ford as an engineer and she claims the general word around the industry is that Toyota is slipping in quality, in upgrading parts(see their ancient suspension) and that the company is getting to conservative in styling, advertising etc. Not saying thats true or not but it seems pretty close.

I really think the Big 3 are making a hard push with new cars, crossovers, trucks etc and just because they have the GM, Ford or DCX logo they get overlooked....they have that poor perception despite having some really good new models coming...like the new DCX Sebring, Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, Ford Edge, Ford Fusion etc. I really hope the general public starts to realize that the domestic offer just as much or more than the imports in quality, performance, options...etc.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'll toss a couple things out there.

My girlfriend has a 2006 Fusion V6 SEL AWD. I love the way it drives, handles, looks. Just a nice all around car.

That said, she works for Ford as an engineer and she claims the general word around the industry is that Toyota is slipping in quality, in upgrading parts(see their ancient suspension) and that the company is getting to conservative in styling, advertising etc. Not saying thats true or not but it seems pretty close.

I really think the Big 3 are making a hard push with new cars, crossovers, trucks etc and just because they have the GM, Ford or DCX logo they get overlooked....they have that poor perception despite having some really good new models coming...like the new DCX Sebring, Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, Ford Edge, Ford Fusion etc. I really hope the general public starts to realize that the domestic offer just as much or more than the imports in quality, performance, options...etc.

Here are a couple of real reliablity story for ya................

I got a 95 Honda Civic EX for a commuter car and it had about 110K miles on it. I basically welded the hood shut when I got it and it has 199K miles 5 years later and still going strong. 36+ miles to the gallon

Other than a couple of tires and a set of brakes i ain't done squat to it. no oil changes, no filters no timing belts nada. oh yeah there was the time that the engine got really hot and overheated but that was a pinhole leak in the radiator hose (ducktaped 2years) so i had to add some water. the ducktape is still holding strong

I did this exact scenerio to a car that I had before the civic it was a 96 corolla that had 140K on it when i got it....again welded the hood shut (no maintenance)........ it blew up at about 235K but basically the freeze plug in front of the block rusted away and all of the water ran out. overheated.

Now these are used pieces of crap and they run like this....very few cares designed can do this...........

-fish

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'll toss a couple things out there.

My girlfriend has a 2006 Fusion V6 SEL AWD. I love the way it drives, handles, looks. Just a nice all around car.

That said, she works for Ford as an engineer and she claims the general word around the industry is that Toyota is slipping in quality, in upgrading parts(see their ancient suspension) and that the company is getting to conservative in styling, advertising etc. Not saying thats true or not but it seems pretty close.

I really think the Big 3 are making a hard push with new cars, crossovers, trucks etc and just because they have the GM, Ford or DCX logo they get overlooked....they have that poor perception despite having some really good new models coming...like the new DCX Sebring, Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, Ford Edge, Ford Fusion etc. I really hope the general public starts to realize that the domestic offer just as much or more than the imports in quality, performance, options...etc.

Here are a couple of real reliablity story for ya................

I got a 95 Honda Civic EX for a commuter car and it had about 110K miles on it. I basically welded the hood shut when I got it and it has 199K miles 5 years later and still going strong. 36+ miles to the gallon

Other than a couple of tires and a set of brakes i ain't done squat to it. no oil changes, no filters no timing belts nada. oh yeah there was the time that the engine got really hot and overheated but that was a pinhole leak in the radiator hose (ducktaped 2years) so i had to add some water. the ducktape is still holding strong

I did this exact scenerio to a car that I had before the civic it was a 96 corolla that had 140K on it when i got it....again welded the hood shut (no maintenance)........ it blew up at about 235K but basically the freeze plug in front of the block rusted away and all of the water ran out. overheated.

Now these are used pieces of crap and they run like this....very few cares designed can do this...........

-fish

Blah blah blah 1995 blah blah blah 1996 blah blah blah who gives a crap. We are talking about 2007 here not the mid 90s. I can name a bunch of 80s-00s domestics in my family that made it will over 200k miles without much work too. Big deal.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
My understanding was that because of new EU restrictions on fuel economy, that US automakers would not be allowed to sell their cars in Europe (barring unfathomably drastic improvements) within the next 5-10 years. When California tried to impose much less drastic restrictions, GM sued the state of California. That would suggest to me that GM and other US mfgr's are unwilling to even try to make a car that could be sold in Europe, and are willing to sue US states that are trying more gently to nudge them in the right direction.

What are you talking about? GM has been and is currently selling cars in Europe under Opel and Vauxhall.

 

[Dritnul]

Originally posted by: spidey07
The fusion is a better car for less. What is so hard to understand about this?

If your gonna buy into one form of marketing, you better be prepared to be swung by another.

I have to say it Its american made so the quality will be less on the fusion

although now most of the camry's are made in america(so their quality is dropping)

(my sis is the only one in our family w/ an american car and the only one who has car troubles)

 

[0roo0roo]

think i saw a similar commercial for a gm car, forget which one. they talked about how good it was and how everyone thought so...but the pictures of car weren't close ups and just flashed by in the background. such a sad commercial, if your car looks good the picture should speak for itself. and no, it didnt look good, so it was just dishonest and sad looking. they gotta fire whatever ad agencies they are using.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: senseamp
Why is Toyota not offering AWD on the Camry or Honda on Accord?

honda has decided that AWD will be for acura.

toyota... i dunno... they have a transverse mount AWD system for the highlander/harrier/RX. the lack of AWD doesn't seem to be hurting sales much.

in the late 80's/early 90's they had awd camrys. that i remember, but i guess theres not enough advantage to bother. maintenance/cost/mileage are all negatives big time negatives for that car segment.

i think there was an alltrack corolla too



found it

"The big news for the 1988 Camry was a V6 engine option and the availability of all-wheel drive (AWD). The 2.5-liter V6 boasted double-overhead cams (DOHC) with four valves per cylinder and kicked out 153 horsepower. This refined powerplant provided strong acceleration as well as very smooth and quiet operation. The AWD system, dubbed "All-Trac" and available only with the manual transmission, provided additional grip for those who lived in areas of the country prone to slippery driving conditions, such as the Northeast and the Midwest."
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=46002
generation pics on the site.

 

[Troll4Hire]

Originally posted by: Dritnul

Originally posted by: spidey07
The fusion is a better car for less. What is so hard to understand about this?

If your gonna buy into one form of marketing, you better be prepared to be swung by another.

I have to say it Its american made so the quality will be less on the fusion

although now most of the camry's are made in america(so their quality is dropping)

(my sis is the only one in our family w/ an american car and the only one who has car troubles)

So you are saying that American Workers are crap?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'll toss a couple things out there.

My girlfriend has a 2006 Fusion V6 SEL AWD. I love the way it drives, handles, looks. Just a nice all around car.

That said, she works for Ford as an engineer and she claims the general word around the industry is that Toyota is slipping in quality, in upgrading parts(see their ancient suspension) and that the company is getting to conservative in styling, advertising etc. Not saying thats true or not but it seems pretty close.

I really think the Big 3 are making a hard push with new cars, crossovers, trucks etc and just because they have the GM, Ford or DCX logo they get overlooked....they have that poor perception despite having some really good new models coming...like the new DCX Sebring, Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, Ford Edge, Ford Fusion etc. I really hope the general public starts to realize that the domestic offer just as much or more than the imports in quality, performance, options...etc.

Wow, the word from Ford is that Toyota is slipping in quality? That could be true, but they would have to slip a long way to equal Ford. Ford, and Detroit in general have been selling junk to Americans for decades. Having a bunch of magazines, which make their money from car advertising, tout the latest and greatest from Detroit does not make it so.
Toyota has always stressed reliability, and have pretty much been reliable. Sure many japanese cars have a crappy, cheap interior, but how does that nice GM or Ford interior help you when you are by the side of the road.
Based on years of experience, American drivers know that japanese cars are reliable.
Also based on years of experience, they know that Fords are unreliable. It's going to be difficult to change this perception. They need something fantastic to set themselves apart from everyone else. I don't think this is it.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: spidey07
The fusion is a better car for less. What is so hard to understand about this?

If your gonna buy into one form of marketing, you better be prepared to be swung by another.

doesn't matter if it breaks down after 50k miles where the camry/accord will barely be broken in.

So you can see into the future?

Looks like you're just buying into the image.

see sig. sometimes the image is justified. my co-worker is driving a 1998 Accord with 260,000 miles on it. in my extended family, there are six hondas or toyotas with over 150,000 miles. i've seen current-generation accords selling on craigslist with over 200,000 miles on them (i shudder to think of the seller's commute). articles in the washington post and san jose mercury news report on million-mile accords and 500,000 mile celicas. the point is, the "perception" that honda and toyota quality is faltering is more of a myth than any "perception" that ford's or mazda's quality is improving. and with resale values more than covering any difference in initial price, there's just no reason to subject yourself to a Ford, Mazda underpinnings or not.

the fusion was a product of Ford at its absolute lowest point, right before all the changes that are currently taking place. its undisputed that Ford was designing and selling dog turds. even the focus was marginal at best. everyone thought it was a triumph that after nearly a decade, ford was able to coax them up to 150,000 mile cars. sorry, that doesn't infuse me with a positive vision of the future for a new fusion. i will be curious what ford releases in 5 to 10 years, after the changes. but for now, you're still getting a car designed and produced by a highly dysfunctional company.

most of the new domestics i've been in recently have this in common: vastly improved interior styling. hey, they look great, you can't deny it. they even have occasionally improved materials. but they also share something else: shoddy contruction. that gorgeous piece of "aluminum?" it bends with the lightest touch of your hand. that soft-looking armrest console? careful, it will creak, groan, and deform visibly from the weight of your arm. hmm, stereo looks nice... too bad the buttons come off in my hand and the entire unit can be rattled in the dash without much effort. when you consider that every panel and control in the bottom-feeder Honda Fit feels like it is carved from marble, you realize that some changes are only skin-deep.

and i hate to break to you guys, but the accord is a pretty fun car to hussle around a back-road. i've had the chance to drive 911's, S2000's, mustangs, etc, so i know what a fun car feels like. i've also driven every generation of accord since 1990, in various V6, 4-banger, 5/6-speed, and auto configurations. and really I love to drive. I agree whole-heartedly that the Camry is more boring than C-SPAN (I've driven them, and they really are dull). But the Accord and Camry and truely apples and oranges in the driving department. there's a reason the Accord took top honors in C&D's recent comparo and the Camry was next to last. C&D heavily weight driving pleasure, and as far as family sedans go, the accord is a fun car.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'll toss a couple things out there.

My girlfriend has a 2006 Fusion V6 SEL AWD. I love the way it drives, handles, looks. Just a nice all around car.

That said, she works for Ford as an engineer and she claims the general word around the industry is that Toyota is slipping in quality, in upgrading parts(see their ancient suspension) and that the company is getting to conservative in styling, advertising etc. Not saying thats true or not but it seems pretty close.

I really think the Big 3 are making a hard push with new cars, crossovers, trucks etc and just because they have the GM, Ford or DCX logo they get overlooked....they have that poor perception despite having some really good new models coming...like the new DCX Sebring, Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, Ford Edge, Ford Fusion etc. I really hope the general public starts to realize that the domestic offer just as much or more than the imports in quality, performance, options...etc.

Wow, the word from Ford is that Toyota is slipping in quality? That could be true, but they would have to slip a long way to equal Ford. Ford, and Detroit in general have been selling junk to Americans for decades. Having a bunch of magazines, which make their money from car advertising, tout the latest and greatest from Detroit does not make it so.
Toyota has always stressed reliability, and have pretty much been reliable. Sure many japanese cars have a crappy, cheap interior, but how does that nice GM or Ford interior help you when you are by the side of the road.
Based on years of experience, American drivers know that japanese cars are reliable.
Also based on years of experience, they know that Fords are unreliable. It's going to be difficult to change this perception. They need something fantastic to set themselves apart from everyone else. I don't think this is it.

I've never really had a problem with any of our domestic vehicles. My 95 Taurus has 160K miles on it and still runs pretty good considering it's been in 2 accidents and all the repairs were made because of the accident...otherwise it had been the routine changing oil, fluids, belts, filters as per usual. We had a 93 Explorer that had 200K miles on it before we sold it. Couple family members own domestic trucks with over 200K miles on them, again no problem besides routine maintenance. Heck my 02 Taurus has 98K miles on it and never had a problem.

For all the reliability of Japanese cars many domestics have them too. Again it's just perception of the public which isnt always reality

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dritnul

Originally posted by: spidey07
The fusion is a better car for less. What is so hard to understand about this?

If your gonna buy into one form of marketing, you better be prepared to be swung by another.

I have to say it Its american made so the quality will be less on the fusion

although now most of the camry's are made in america(so their quality is dropping)

(my sis is the only one in our family w/ an american car and the only one who has car troubles)

Oi... the problem is not that Americans can't handle inserting tab A into slot B - building the car goes just fine, as evidenced by the fact that they generally function when they roll off the assembly line. Poor long-term reliability is more indicative of poor design and/or poor materials.

 

[QueBert]

American auto makers have been selling us "junk" cars for the past few decades eh? I won't argue that they're not as reliable *for the most part* but to call them junk is a bit of a stretch. I only drive Fords and I've had few problems. Junk to mean would be a car that constantly breaks down. I know very few people who are unhappy with their "junky American cars"

and hay my mom works for a big tow truck company in So Cal, if your Camry or Accord ever break down, call them up and they'll send a FORD truck to come tow you

Ford makes the best trucks, period end of story
Ford makes decent cars, I'll get a Fusion before I get any import. But of course Ford had the Probe which was pretty sh!tty so that automatically means every Ford is crap I forgot!

using the logic from this thread, one should also avoid Maxtor HD's, because at one time they sucked, and stay away from ATI because they had crummy drivers 3 years ago! *scratches head*

get with the times Ford makes good cars, I love my Taurus, and when they release the Hybrid Fusion I think I might upgrade...

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Dritnul

I have to say it Its american made so the quality will be less on the fusion

This is the problem American car companies are having. People just don't go to their dealerships because of a PERCEPTION that domestic cards are inferior, when in fact, they have vastly improved in recent years, but you don't see the cars being driven by the masses because of people's misguided notions of quality.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
see sig. sometimes the image is justified. my co-worker is driving a 1998 Accord with 260,000 miles on it.

You're talking about late '90s cars, this is about '07 cars. I'm not saying that Accords or Camrys are bad, just that you people are outright dismissing Fords (and other domestics) as crap, when in fact they have made great strides in quality/features over the past 10-15 years. The domestics of today are not the domestics of the 80s.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I actually like the Fusion and think it looks better than the Camry or Accord. I'd probably consider buying one if I were in the market for that type of car and could get a good deal on one.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
see sig. sometimes the image is justified. my co-worker is driving a 1998 Accord with 260,000 miles on it.

You're talking about late '90s cars, this is about '07 cars. I'm not saying that Accords or Camrys are bad, just that you people are outright dismissing Fords (and other domestics) as crap, when in fact they have made great strides in quality/features over the past 10-15 years. The domestics of today are not the domestics of the 80s.

see here

 

[QurazyQuisp]

I feel bad for those people who cannot overcome OMG JAPANESE CARS ARE THE SHEIT!

I have a friend who's dad who would only purchase Toyota/Lexus cars. Up until he bought a newer Toyota Avalon (I think 05 or 06) and put no more then 6k miles on it and has had a number of problems... sounds coming from weird places, the car pulling to one side of the road even though the tires are aligned and balanced and so on. He's brought it to toyota, they deny anything is wrong with it. He's since sold it, and his other two cars (a toyota & lexus) He told me he won't be buying another one for several years to come. Right now he has a VW and a BMW, while he has yet to have anything mechanically go wrong, he has had one electrical problem, but VW was quick to fix it, and actually acknowledged the problem.

As for Fords/GMs I believe that their cars are now on par, if not better mechanically than Japanese cars. I also think that most people who drive american made cars realize that if there is a weird sound coming, it's time to bring it in. Where as Japanese lovers think that the noise is supposed to be there. My aunt and uncle own an acura mdx either '03 or '04 and there was a noise coming from the transmission, they kept driving because they figured it was normal. (this sound was heard for a few months) Then finally the transmission died. When they talked to the Acura dealership they said that the ticking noise was a known issue and that they were just replacing the transmissions of all the cars that had experienced it.