Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Attention Ford/Toyota riders of sack:
No manual transmission, no fscking care.
Give me a six-speed on the V6 models of the Fusion and Camry, and we can talk.
- M4H
Ford makes a v6 one with a manual but they call it a mazda 6, also a turbo charged AWD one .
212 HP not enough balls
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Attention Ford/Toyota riders of sack:
No manual transmission, no fscking care.
Give me a six-speed on the V6 models of the Fusion and Camry, and we can talk.
- M4H
Ford makes a v6 one with a manual but they call it a mazda 6, also a turbo charged AWD one .
212 HP not enough balls
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Attention Ford/Toyota riders of sack:
No manual transmission, no fscking care.
Give me a six-speed on the V6 models of the Fusion and Camry, and we can talk.
- M4H
Ford makes a v6 one with a manual but they call it a mazda 6, also a turbo charged AWD one .
212 HP not enough balls
Then step up the speed 6 and get 270hp and 280ft-lbs its price right around a fully loaded camry/accord.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
fusion is getting a best in class 3.5 very soon
Originally posted by: ElFenix
BMW does do exactly that.Originally posted by: sniperruff
i'd feel the same if BMW put out the same commercial and declares that their cars are better than audi and mercedes. it just makes you look cheap and lose all your credibility.
you really don't get what i'm saying don't you. fenixgoon already did. i actually like some cars that ford makes and IMO the fusion is a big improvement over the taurus.
as for saying that they should just spend their money elsewhere... look at hyundai and mazda. they bounced back not only because they advertised a lot (but none quite obvious as the ones by ford), but they also started making better cars. ford has been rehashing the same focus for SEVEN years, the five hundred looks boring and falls behind by a mile in terms of power when compared to other full size, and as much as the fusion is better than the taurus, IT STILL HAS INFERIOR SPECS compared to the V6 accord (which is in its last model years), and is certainly significantly inferior to the new V6 camry in terms of power.
and hello, the fusion is a mazda6.
--- is the 300C a mercedes E class?
ford can't make money selling a compact car for $12000, which is why they keep the same focus around (nevermind that it has a much nicer interior and subtly different bodywork than the original, and next year gets a pretty serious upgrade... if you want the euro focus so bad just go buy a mazda3).
--- then how can other car companies make money by selling compacts? i don't see hyundai selling the same elantra for 8 years. also, why not just close the ford brand altogether because mazda is selling better cars anyway?
fusion is getting a best in class 3.5 very soon, for those that care about specs more than substance (such as yourself)
--- so you are saying the accord, camry, sonata, and altima has no substance? and very soon... every other car company will make a superior product by then. hell very soon there will be flying cars :roll:
the same 3.5 is coming to the five hundred soon as well (yes, it's boring, but then so is the avalon).
--- again with the very soon. with a V6 putting out 200bhp and a price tag of $24k, i can't see why anyone would buy that over an avalon with much more power for $26k. and lets not mention substance again.
ford is making better cars but you can't just wait for word of mouth. the mazda6 sold pretty poorly at first, well below expectations, until word of mouth started to pick up. ford can't wait that long.
--- who's to blame for making inferior cars for years and years? toyota and honda?
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: ElFenix
BMW does do exactly that.Originally posted by: sniperruff
i'd feel the same if BMW put out the same commercial and declares that their cars are better than audi and mercedes. it just makes you look cheap and lose all your credibility.
you really don't get what i'm saying don't you. fenixgoon already did. i actually like some cars that ford makes and IMO the fusion is a big improvement over the taurus.
as for saying that they should just spend their money elsewhere... look at hyundai and mazda. they bounced back not only because they advertised a lot (but none quite obvious as the ones by ford), but they also started making better cars. ford has been rehashing the same focus for SEVEN years, the five hundred looks boring and falls behind by a mile in terms of power when compared to other full size, and as much as the fusion is better than the taurus, IT STILL HAS INFERIOR SPECS compared to the V6 accord (which is in its last model years), and is certainly significantly inferior to the new V6 camry in terms of power.
and hello, the fusion is a mazda6.
--- is the 300C a mercedes E class?
ford can't make money selling a compact car for $12000, which is why they keep the same focus around (nevermind that it has a much nicer interior and subtly different bodywork than the original, and next year gets a pretty serious upgrade... if you want the euro focus so bad just go buy a mazda3).
--- then how can other car companies make money by selling compacts? i don't see hyundai selling the same elantra for 8 years. also, why not just close the ford brand altogether because mazda is selling better cars anyway?
fusion is getting a best in class 3.5 very soon, for those that care about specs more than substance (such as yourself)
--- so you are saying the accord, camry, sonata, and altima has no substance? and very soon... every other car company will make a superior product by then. hell very soon there will be flying cars :roll:
the same 3.5 is coming to the five hundred soon as well (yes, it's boring, but then so is the avalon).
--- again with the very soon. with a V6 putting out 200bhp and a price tag of $24k, i can't see why anyone would buy that over an avalon with much more power for $26k. and lets not mention substance again.
ford is making better cars but you can't just wait for word of mouth. the mazda6 sold pretty poorly at first, well below expectations, until word of mouth started to pick up. ford can't wait that long.
--- who's to blame for making inferior cars for years and years? toyota and honda?
and all im saying is that commercials such as this one and the pepsi challenge make me puke. they are almost as disgusting as those political ad's. all of a sudden domestic fanboys started jumping on my face.
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Crazyfool/domesticEthug.jpg
Originally posted by: ElFenix
ford can't make a car profitably for $12000 because ford has much higher overhead than toyota/honda/hyundai. can't close ford brand because of the union contracts, they have to have a certain number of jobs, blah blah... i'm not sure how you could visit atot over the last 4 years and not know that yet.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ElFenix
ford can't make a car profitably for $12000 because ford has much higher overhead than toyota/honda/hyundai. can't close ford brand because of the union contracts, they have to have a certain number of jobs, blah blah... i'm not sure how you could visit atot over the last 4 years and not know that yet.
While true, Ford is working on it. As Toyota/Honda/Hyundai shift more manufacturing plants into the US, Ford, GM, and Chrysler are shifting them to Mexico. The Fusion and the Ford Five Hundred are made in Mexico.
Originally posted by: edro
Have you guys seen the commercial where random people are test driving the Ford Fusion and they say how they liked it better than the Camry and Accord?
They say that is surprised the drivers, but it didn't surprise Car and Driver.
IT'S FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! You can't compare apples to oranges.
Anyone with at least a little sense knows that the Camry and Accord are both twice the car the Fusion is.
Ok, I'm done.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Even with AWD it's still several thousand cheaper than Camry and a little bit less than the Accord.
Why can't it be compared? It's not Ford's problem the others don't offer it.
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: edro
Have you guys seen the commercial where random people are test driving the Ford Fusion and they say how they liked it better than the Camry and Accord?
They say that is surprised the drivers, but it didn't surprise Car and Driver.
IT'S FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! You can't compare apples to oranges.
Anyone with at least a little sense knows that the Camry and Accord are both twice the car the Fusion is.
Ok, I'm done.
How so? Face it, Ford did a terrific job on the Fusion, the only thing holding it back is the emblem on the grill.
I've test driven Fusion non-AWD version and was really impressed.
Perception FTL.
Originally posted by: Aftermath
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ElFenix
ford can't make a car profitably for $12000 because ford has much higher overhead than toyota/honda/hyundai. can't close ford brand because of the union contracts, they have to have a certain number of jobs, blah blah... i'm not sure how you could visit atot over the last 4 years and not know that yet.
While true, Ford is working on it. As Toyota/Honda/Hyundai shift more manufacturing plants into the US, Ford, GM, and Chrysler are shifting them to Mexico. The Fusion and the Ford Five Hundred are made in Mexico.
But still, the big 2.5 still employ far, far, far more Americans than Toyota/Honda/Hyundai, combined.
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
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FFS the Fusion IS a better car, get over it and stop making excuses. Fing idiots still believe that imports have a better quality than domestic.
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
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FFS the Fusion IS a better car, get over it and stop making excuses. Fing idiots still believe that imports have a better quality than domestic.
Originally posted by: dbk
I don't understand why they put that line at the end about Car & Driver. It's an obvious shot at the magazine for not picking the Ford Fusion. I think those guy know what they're talking about more than the average consumer.
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: sniperruff
just for the fact that ford has to put a commercial with actors saying their car is better than honda's and toyota's has already branded them as losers.
i don't see BMW, toyota and honda putting out commercials saying their cars are better than such and such.
No, having people judge your product against the competition is what you do when you're losing the race with a product that you know to be better.
Case in point: Pepsi.
You people let your anti-dometic car attitude influence you too much.
it's a commercial... i'd want to see the features of a car and how special they are. i can be my own judge and find out whether the fusion is better than other cars. i don't need a bunch of actors telling me that it's better.
which is a shame really. i do think the fusion has decent looks and is mechanically sound.
They need a commercial like that to overcome people's prejudged notion that Ford makes inferior cars. Most Honda and Camry owners wouldn't even bother to LOOK at the Fusion's specs, and that's what they're trying to get past with that commercial.
and IIRC pepsi has been winning and making lots of profits compared to coca cola.
If you didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned Pepsi, you must be really young. Don't you remember the Pepsi Challenge?
but what im saying is that by making such a commercial does NOT help...
and i remembered the pepsi challenge. my reaction was "oh give me a break you expect me to drink pepsi instead of coke because of actors say that it tastes better...."
so, this ford commercial has done the same to me, and i can imagine to a lot other people. it just looks like a cheap shot propaganda.
instead they could have spent the money and effort in making the european focus cheaper, or bring over the mondeo, or just improving their own damn cars instead of a commercial that essential says "hey look at me i'm better than toyota and honda"
I don't know why you keep mentioning actors, because I think it's far more likely that you're wrong than that you're right. Think about it - why use actors and risk having that exposed? A much more valid criticism would be that they selectively show only the people that prefer Pepsi or Ford, and that doesn't necessarily prove that the majority prefer it.
As far as Pepsi taking better than Coke or vice versa - for proof look no further than Diet Coke. It tastes more similar to Pepsi than Coke. That is intentional - they were losing market share to Pepsi, largely because people preferred the taste of Pepsi. Need more proof? Look at New Coke. They made that taste more like Pepsi/Diet Coke for the same reason. Of course they did blind taste tests and people prefered the new formula over the old - but then they released it and it was a huge failure, because many people buy products for reasons other than it being the best product. Like a dislike of the product's ads, for instance.
Saying they should have spent marketing money on making the European Focus cheaper... yeah that makes no sense. It doesn't matter how good or how cheap your product is, marketing has a huge impact on sales. And they are improving their cars. And if they've improved the Fusion to be better than Toyota and Honda, then I really don't see why you'd fault them for bragging about it unless you're a Honda/Toyota fanboy.
you really don't get it... to me that commercial is a "test" that "proved" that the fusion is better than the accord and camry in styling and performance. but who the hell can tell me that? certainly not a bunch of "car enthusiasts" in a TV commercial. why would i need a commercial saying that such and such is better when i can check them out myself???
i'd feel the same if BMW put out the same commercial and declares that their cars are better than audi and mercedes. it just makes you look cheap and lose all your credibility.
you really don't get what i'm saying don't you. fenixgoon already did. i actually like some cars that ford makes and IMO the fusion is a big improvement over the taurus.
as for saying that they should just spend their money elsewhere... look at hyundai and mazda. they bounced back not only because they advertised a lot (but none quite obvious as the ones by ford), but they also started making better cars. ford has been rehashing the same focus for SEVEN years, the five hundred looks boring and falls behind by a mile in terms of power when compared to other full size, and as much as the fusion is better than the taurus, IT STILL HAS INFERIOR SPECS compared to the V6 accord (which is in its last model years), and is certainly significantly inferior to the new V6 camry in terms of power.
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
If you haven't noticed the Focus is one hell of a lot better than they were in 2000/2001 when they went into production.
Now kindly STFU and go back to driving your Honda/Toyota and pretending that your ****** doesn't stink.
I recently rented a Focus............very much NOT an import-competitive car. A Corolla/Civic are much more car (and important to me, much more refined) than the Ford.
I almost get the impression that Ford (domestics in general?) are too proud to simply take a "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude and start refining their vehicles to the quality of imports.
I drive a Gen4 Camry I-4 that is STILL (imho) more refined than the domestic equivalents 8 years newer.
Maybe more then average but not much more then that. I have read articles where the editors made wrong speculations and the answer was right there in the owners manual.Originally posted by: dbk
I don't understand why they put that line at the end about Car & Driver. It's an obvious shot at the magazine for not picking the Ford Fusion. I think those guy know what they're talking about more than the average consumer.
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
If you haven't noticed the Focus is one hell of a lot better than they were in 2000/2001 when they went into production.
Now kindly STFU and go back to driving your Honda/Toyota and pretending that your ****** doesn't stink.
I recently rented a Focus............very much NOT an import-competitive car. A Corolla/Civic are much more car (and important to me, much more refined) than the Ford.
I almost get the impression that Ford (domestics in general?) are too proud to simply take a "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude and start refining their vehicles to the quality of imports.
I drive a Gen4 Camry I-4 that is STILL (imho) more refined than the domestic equivalents 8 years newer.
"Refined" is a buzzword. What do you mean by that? Because I own a Civic, and there's really nothing special about it. The only significant difference between my Civic and the Fords I've been in is that my Civic has fuzzy fabric seats and the Fords I've been in have had more smooth seats. I actually prefer the smooth seats. I didn't buy the Civic because it's more "refined", I bought it for long-term reliability - it hasn't been to a mechanic in it's 65k miles.