Ford says only Mustang & Focus will live on in North America as it drops slow-selling sedans

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rstrohkirch

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Here I am thinking what my next vehicle will be in a bit over a year and contemplating going with a car. Apparently I shouldn't leave my SUV bubble.
 

Yuriman

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We'll see. Gas prices are on the rise. I'm starting to see it in the news.



Nothing quite like rising fuel prices just when US automakers decide to discontinue their fuel efficient vehicles to instigate another government bailout.
 
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We'll see. Gas prices are on the rise. I'm starting to see it in the news.



Nothing quite like rising fuel prices just when US automakers decide to discontinue their fuel efficient vehicles to instigate another government bailout.

Ford didn't get bailed out last time. We'll see what happens.
 

A5

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Based on last time, the pain point seems to be near $4. We'll see if it gets that high.
 

Yuriman

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It will, it's just a matter of when. I'm going to guess 2-3 years, but we might move into a recession before then, with the amount of student debt and subprime loans being made right now to extend the bubble.
 

Imported

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$3.85 for regular yesterday..

This kinda sucks. I'm looking for a AWD sedan in the next two years (moving to snow country) and had a Fusion on my list.
 

Yuriman

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Point taken. The Imprezza (admittedly nowhere near as nice inside) is rated for 26 city 38 highway. The AWD Honda HR-V (SUV) is rated for 27 city / 31 highway. Rav4 Hybrid is 34/30.
 

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$3.85 for regular yesterday..

This kinda sucks. I'm looking for a AWD sedan in the next two years (moving to snow country) and had a Fusion on my list.

Aside from a failing transmission, one of the big catalysts for me trading in my Volvo S80 for my last Kia Soul was when gas prices spiked & it cost me $85 to put a full tank of premium gas into it. I can't wait to get an electric car, lol.
 

XavierMace

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Historically gas prices hasn't stopped American's from buying pickups and SUV's, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect any different this time.
 
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Historically gas prices hasn't stopped American's from buying pickups and SUV's, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect any different this time.

That's not entirely true - we start buying small cars whenever gas prices get "high." But what counts as "high" changes over time and we have really short memories.
 
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XavierMace

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That's not entirely true - we start buying small cars whenever gas prices get "high." But what counts as "high" changes over time and we have really short memories.

"We" as a whole don't. Some people do shift, yes, but not the majority. 2012 was our highest gas price year on record even adjusting for inflation. As mentioned 2 pages ago, trucks/SUV's that year took #1 (F series), #2 (Silverado), #7 (Ram), #9 CR-V (admittedly barely an SUV), and #10 (Escape). At #7 the RAM still in between the Altima and Corolla. Even if you try to exclude fleet sales and knock the F series down by 35%, it still takes first. Camry/Altima did see a jump, but not enough to move up a spot. The F150's fuel economy has been improving so I'm not sure you can expect to see the same movement this time around. 2013 was a high gas price year as well, and the F series's lead was even larger. 2014 the gas prices had dropped a bit more but was actually the narrowest gap between the F Series and Camry. 2015 gas prices dropped and RAM moved all the way up to 3rd. The 4 top non-trucks have been the same 4 vehicles for ages, regardless of gas prices.
 

ponyo

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$3.85 for regular yesterday..

This kinda sucks. I'm looking for a AWD sedan in the next two years (moving to snow country) and had a Fusion on my list.
I paid $2.52 for regular this morning at QT in South Carolina. $1.33 more you're paying is all gas tax levied by your state and local government.
 
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I paid $2.52 for regular this morning at QT in South Carolina. $1.33 more you're paying is all gas tax levied by your state and local government.

No it's not. The tax difference is pennies.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-gasoline-tax-rates-2017/

Different states have different blends, coming from different refineries, which take different routes to get to your gas station. Transport cost is a factor. So is availability of specific blends at particular times.
 

ponyo

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No it's not. The tax difference is pennies.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-gasoline-tax-rates-2017/

Different states have different blends, coming from different refineries, which take different routes to get to your gas station. Transport cost is a factor. So is availability of specific blends at particular times.
True. Transport cost is also big factor. But that's helpful chart in regards to gas tax. I didn't know South Carolina had the second lowest gas tax after Alaska. That explains why gas is so cheap there compared to Georgia since GA drivers pay almost twice the gas tax in addition to sales tax.
 
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$3.85 for regular yesterday..

This kinda sucks. I'm looking for a AWD sedan in the next two years (moving to snow country) and had a Fusion on my list.
AWD will obviously help, but are you committed to a sedan? If you want the optimal ability to go in the snow, you also need better ground clearance like a crossover or SUV provides. I live in snow country, (although in the city where roads are plowed within a couple of days) and the only times I have been stuck was when I got "high centered" with snow packed so tightly under the car that the wheels could not reach the road.
 
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"We" as a whole don't. Some people do shift, yes, but not the majority. 2012 was our highest gas price year on record even adjusting for inflation. As mentioned 2 pages ago, trucks/SUV's that year took #1 (F series), #2 (Silverado), #7 (Ram), #9 CR-V (admittedly barely an SUV), and #10 (Escape). At #7 the RAM still in between the Altima and Corolla. Even if you try to exclude fleet sales and knock the F series down by 35%, it still takes first. Camry/Altima did see a jump, but not enough to move up a spot. The F150's fuel economy has been improving so I'm not sure you can expect to see the same movement this time around. 2013 was a high gas price year as well, and the F series's lead was even larger. 2014 the gas prices had dropped a bit more but was actually the narrowest gap between the F Series and Camry. 2015 gas prices dropped and RAM moved all the way up to 3rd. The 4 top non-trucks have been the same 4 vehicles for ages, regardless of gas prices.

True, but I also remember when gas prices were high, economical cars were in very high demand as well. For example, Honda Fit was selling at over list. Also, the high fuel prices did not last very long, so I dont think we saw the full effect they could have. But lets face it, those trucks are very expensive vehicles, and anyone who can afford one can most likely afford an extra dollar or two per gallon of gas. What would really drive down sales of low mileage vehicles would be a supply shortage of gas, like the crisis of the 70s. I dont see that happening, but with the abandoning of the Iran deal, Trumps antipathy to Muslims, and his in your face support of Israel, anything could happen.
 
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