Ford to scrap Mexico plant, invest in Michigan due to Trump policies

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brycejones

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Keeping it real. sorry if that does not comply with your hate towards american jobs.

I don't hate American jobs, I hate people who spin bullshit into some story that isn't accurate. Focus production is till moving south of the border so ZERO American jobs related to Focus production have been saved by this announcement. Ford is investing in and adding jobs for completely different products. Trump has saved zero jobs since he was harping on Ford to not move Focus production.
 

bshole

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Hey Ford...big mistake! Go to Mexico...you're going to get killed by labor costs in the U.S.! Ford management knows nothing...says a pathetic hack who has it all figured out at just how fucking stupid they are.

I agree. They don't know a damn thing. It costs twice as much money to maintain a Ford vs a Toyota. Ford hasn't gotten a step closer to matching Japanese quality since I stopped purchasing their vehicles 15 years ago. I suspect they would do better if they shipped engineering/management over to Japan. American engineering/management is simply unable to match Asian engineering/management on any level. What is so difficult to understand? Quality matters..... just not to Ford and other American manufacturers.

I am constantly amazed that people still purchase Ford's wretched products....

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin
 

MooseNSquirrel

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It's good news when jobs and industry stays in the United States, it's also good news when i get to drink the tears of the fskholes that are foaming and spitting in rage. Rage on lefties, rage on.

Pigs can't swim and pigs can't fly
But pigs can see the wind go by
Pigs make lovely household friends
When winter comes and summer ends
 
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How do you make the logical leap from what I said: "the CEO is lying and just looking out for himself" to thinking what I actually said was "the CEO is an idiot"? Oh that's right ... CBD. Sorry, I shouldn't make fun of your handicap.
See Post #4 where you're effectively saying Ford are idiots due to high U.S. labor costs. Such a short memory. Beginning onset of Alzheimer's?
 

dank69

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See Post #4 where you're effectively saying Ford are idiots due to high U.S. labor costs. Such a short memory. Beginning onset of Alzheimer's?
I didn't say they are idiots, I said they are lying about their motives because there is no policy that Trump can implement to make American labor competitive with foreign labor. Why do you even bother to participate when you have such a hard time even interpreting people's posts?
 

agent00f

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only in P&N will the looney left snub their noses at Americans keeping their jobs.

its down right disgusting.

I supported much of what Obama did in the last 8 years. I'm positive nothing Trump will accomplish will be good enough for you. That being said, please enjoy your anger and misery.

I'm sure these low-T beta cucks conservatives were just as ecstatic every time 700 murican jobs were save. Remember your posts here are archived for posterity. Must be a shitton of comments concerning the millions of jobs saved via the auto bailouts alone. A million divided by 1000 is a rather high ratio to live up to though.

Really shows just how pathetically worthless these sorts are.
 

dank69

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I'm sure these low-T beta cucks conservatives were just as ecstatic every time 700 murican jobs were save. Remember your posts here are archived for posterity. Must be a shitton of comments concerning the millions of jobs saved via the auto bailouts alone. A million divided by 1000 is a rather high ratio to live up to though.

Really shows just how pathetically worthless these sorts are.
Haha. Economy added 200k jobs in one month under Obama? Books are cooked. Ford execs suck up to Trump by giving him credit for decisions they already made? Finally a President bringing the jobs back!
 

HomerJS

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Just a question...

Why was the proposed investment in Mexico 1.3 B but the same plant here is 700M?

Also since both Trump and the head of Ford made promises that they later changed why is this considered a done deal?

BTW - I hope for the best for this country no matter who is President.
 

brycejones

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Just a question...

Why was the proposed investment in Mexico 1.3 B but the same plant here is 700M?

Also since both Trump and the head of Ford made promises that they later changed why is this considered a done deal?

BTW - I hope for the best for this country no matter who is President.

See post #39. Completely different plants and product lines, and anyone working on building the Focus in the US is still out of that job. They may have some other job at Ford after this but the jobs related to building the Ford Focus are still headed to Mexico.
 

stormkroe

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Yeah, I can scribble you a diagram. This CEO passes most of the additional cost on to consumers and eats a tiny hit to profit and instead benefits from an even smaller personal tax bill thus netting more for himself.
Not disagreeing with you at all, but isn't this the argument that the left rails against when righties point out the ignorance of doubling the minimum wage? (I'm making no claims that you, personally, have done this wrt $15hr min wage... I can't remember and search sucks on my phone).
 
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See post #39. Completely different plants and product lines, and anyone working on building the Focus in the US is still out of that job. They may have some other job at Ford after this but the jobs related to building the Ford Focus are still headed to Mexico.
There were no net job losses resulting from moving Focus production to Mexico. Meanwhile the Flat Rock expansion equates to 700 new jobs. Hard to spin this as a negative...but damned if you don't try.
 

agent00f

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There were no net job losses resulting from moving Focus production to Mexico. Meanwhile the Flat Rock expansion equates to 700 new jobs. Hard to spin this as a negative...but damned if you don't try.

This is just smart businesses throwing any possible credit for anything to the strongman (ie higher up) because they know that's the sort to reciprocate. I'm sure you've seen this in workplace politics even if you're too weak to say anything negative about your superiors there same as here.
 

brycejones

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There were no net job losses resulting from moving Focus production to Mexico. Meanwhile the Flat Rock expansion equates to 700 new jobs. Hard to spin this as a negative...but damned if you don't try.

But damn if you don't pretend that moving Focus production to Mexico doesn't mean there will be fewer people working for Ford in the US than there would have been otherwise.
 
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I'm sure these low-T beta cucks conservatives were just as ecstatic every time 700 murican jobs were save. Remember your posts here are archived for posterity. Must be a shitton of comments concerning the millions of jobs saved via the auto bailouts alone. A million divided by 1000 is a rather high ratio to live up to though.

Really shows just how pathetically worthless these sorts are.
Conservatives want our good paying jobs to stay in the U.S....is this concept really that hard for you to understand?
 
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There were no net job losses resulting from moving Focus production to Mexico. Meanwhile the Flat Rock expansion equates to 700 new jobs. Hard to spin this as a negative...but damned if you don't try.
I love the contempt the lefties here in this forum have for the
Pigs can't swim and pigs can't fly
But pigs can see the wind go by
Pigs make lovely household friends
When winter comes and summer ends
Wrong again, pigs can swim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbxPXTrGYUU
https://www.reference.com/pets-animals/can-pigs-swim-17eaffb03a842e23
 
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But damn if you don't pretend that moving Focus production to Mexico doesn't mean there will be fewer people working for Ford in the US than there would have been otherwise.
Dude, I'm not pretending anything...there was ZERO net effect on US jobs regarding the Focus move.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/15/ford-move-mexico-trump/

"We're going forward with our plan to move production of the Ford Focus to Mexico , and importantly that's to make room for two very important products we'll be putting back into Michigan plants," Fields said in an interview on the sidelines of the Los Angeles Auto Show. "There will be no job impact whatsoever with this move."
 

agent00f

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Conservatives want our good paying jobs to stay in the U.S....is this concept really that hard for you to understand?

It's absolutely trivial to understand how loyalist cheerleading works, even you've got a pretty good handle on it.

I do wonder why you choose to appear stupid and dishonest when you're clear smart enough to figure this situation out.
 

brycejones

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Dude, I'm not pretending anything...there was ZERO net effect on US jobs regarding the Focus move.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/15/ford-move-mexico-trump/

For the sake of argument let's say 500 workers build the focus in the US. Those 500 jobs are going to Mexico. Ford identified other work for those 500 workers in the US so yes the net job loss is zero. However if Focus production wasn't moved to Mexico and Ford still moved forward with their other plans then there would be a net gain of 500 jobs in the US.

Trump was pushing Ford to keep Focus production in the US. He has failed.
 
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For the sake of argument let's say 500 workers build the focus in the US. Those 500 jobs are going to Mexico. Ford identified other work for those 500 workers in the US so yes the net job loss is zero. However if Focus production wasn't moved to Mexico and Ford still moved forward with their other plans then there would be a net gain of 500 jobs in the US.

Trump was pushing Ford to keep Focus production in the US. He has failed.
Economics trumped Trump regarding the Focus. But those US jobs weren't lost, they were allocated to other models. I'm glad to see that he was a major factor regarding 700 new jobs though. Real people, real jobs.
 
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