Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Matt2

The ability to have advanced sections that could control AA/AF, resolution, etc - all of the minimal things that are normally activated in a PC's graphic card driver. Such options could be used under an advanced tab in a console's / game's UI.

They dont let you do it because it would ruin the game. PC games allow you to control every aspect of the graphics because there is a lot of performance overhead when using a PC. Game developers have to code the game to run on a $85 7600GT, so of course when you have a $550 8800GTX you're going to be able to up the eye candy.

OTOH, console games are coded to take advantage of every last drop of horsepower out of the console because everyone is running the same hardware. If you could be allowed to turn AA and AF up, you would be crippling performance.

While I agree with Matt2 on the logic of owning a console over a PC, I sure hope the console games are not maxing out on every last drop of horsepower. I've played Gears of War and I certainly hope the 360 figures out how to use AA. My eyes hurt SO much from playing that game. If Gears was pushing the 360 to it's limits then I think I will stay with my PC for a bit longer. At least until they get AA.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Matt2

The ability to have advanced sections that could control AA/AF, resolution, etc - all of the minimal things that are normally activated in a PC's graphic card driver. Such options could be used under an advanced tab in a console's / game's UI.

They dont let you do it because it would ruin the game. PC games allow you to control every aspect of the graphics because there is a lot of performance overhead when using a PC. Game developers have to code the game to run on a $85 7600GT, so of course when you have a $550 8800GTX you're going to be able to up the eye candy.

OTOH, console games are coded to take advantage of every last drop of horsepower out of the console because everyone is running the same hardware. If you could be allowed to turn AA and AF up, you would be crippling performance.

While I agree with Matt2 on the logic of owning a console over a PC, I sure hope the console games are not maxing out on every last drop of horsepower. I've played Gears of War and I certainly hope the 360 figures out how to use AA. My eyes hurt SO much from playing that game. If Gears was pushing the 360 to it's limits then I think I will stay with my PC for a bit longer. At least until they get AA.

Were you playing at 1080P?

I find my games look great on 1080P. AA would be better, but not having it certainly didnt make my eyes hurt. I normally demand at least 4x/16x AA/AF in my PC games too.

 

[redbox]

I'm not for certain. It was on an older HDTV so that may have been the problem. Does it make that dramatic of a difference cause I was really turned off with how Gears looked. Going from my PC gaming rig to the 360 didn't look to appealing. I would have had to put money into a HDTV and a 360 and still have lower quality games. And, well I already had the computer.

The wii on the other hand has me excited. I was a big fan of Zelda and can't wait to play that game AA or not.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: redbox
I'm not for certain. It was on an older HDTV so that may have been the problem. Does it make that dramatic of a difference cause I was really turned off with how Gears looked. Going from my PC gaming rig to the 360 didn't look to appealing. I would have had to put money into a HDTV and a 360 and still have lower quality games. And, well I already had the computer.

The wii on the other hand has me excited. I was a big fan of Zelda and can't wait to play that game AA or not.

You could always hook up the 360 to your computer monitor.

 

[josh6079]

The developers throw in all the goodies possible whilst retaining "good enough" performance, the resulting magic number probably depends on the particular game in question. IIRC, all 360 games are supposed to have a minimum of 2xAA. Basically, options don't exist because the hardware is already maxed out. That's the beauty of it.

If that's the case, then the consoles I'm thinking about were weaker than I thought.

 

[redbox]

My computer monitor doesn't do 1080p. It's 1680X1050. IIRC 1080p is 1920X1080.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Rental is a big ripoff ... try renting Oblivion for your 360 ... it's ok for really short games or to 'demo' them ... us PCer's have free *demos* for many good games
--beats' 'rental'

Xbox Live users get demos too poppy. Plus services like GameFly make renting much more attractive. You can play and finish as many games as you want for a small monthly fee.

you did ask me about *renting* PC games ... i don't need to

1) You pay $1,000 more for console games over 5 years if you play 20 games a year

I'd pay more than $1000 in video card upgrades during those 5 years, so I think it about evens out.[/quote]rubbish ... each of my upgrades cost less than $150 net ... try less than $500

Your console HW is NOT upgradable ... you sell or toss it when you buy the nextGen

How is that different from a video card? For roughly the same price, you get 2x the useful life with a console... at least.[/quote]the video card is an *incremental* upgrade ... i usually upgrade my GPU after 1 to 2 years ... *each time* i get a noticeable upgrade with greatly improved detail and frame rate

the console - after the first year - looks a little worse than a decent gaming rig ... after 2 years it looks progressively worse and after 3 years, the load times get longer and the FPS drop ... you are lucky really to get 30 ... on a demanding game ... in the last year of your console's useful life

This may be true, however for this to in fact be true, I'll have to keep buying video cards or else sacrifice IQ settings. At least with the 360 I can enjoy my games in full 1080P and not have to spend a dime on upgrading my machine.[/quote]it IS true ... you only have a console that competes with a PC for 2 of 5 years ... then it gets s-l-o-w and you "put up" with it

there are no mods or user-created content for consoles ... KB+M is not implemented on consoles and - for PC games, you *can* use a USB controller [i AM playing RE4 with a controller

I agree with user created content being a big plus for PC games, but consoles have downloadable content too. Map packs, etc...[/quote]not even *close*

After being a hardcore PC gamer for the past decade, I thought I'd never give up the KB + M, but you know what? If you're truly a gamer, you will adapt and master the controller just as you have the KB + M. I did. PLus the controller being so difficult adds another level to the game. Anyone can master the KB + M, but you REALLY have to be good to maintain a high level of play (especially online) when using the controller.[/quote]i *have* a controller for my PC - playing RE4 now - you *don't* have a KB+Mouse

The ability to have advanced sections that could control AA/AF, resolution, etc - all of the minimal things that are normally activated in a PC's graphic card driver. Such options could be used under an advanced tab in a console's / game's UI.

They dont let you do it because it would ruin the game. PC games allow you to control every aspect of the graphics because there is a lot of performance overhead when using a PC. Game developers have to code the game to run on a $85 7600GT, so of course when you have a $550 8800GTX you're going to be able to up the eye candy.

OTOH, console games are coded to take advantage of every last drop of horsepower out of the console because everyone is running the same hardware. If you could be allowed to turn AA and AF up, you would be crippling performance.[/quote]
you console is *already* MAXED OUT ... next year it gets *worse*
the PC *wins*

 

[manowar821]

Consoles = Obsolete on arrival.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Consoles = Obsolete on arrival.

more like *mediocrity* on arrival - for the "average" gamer
... i didn't say lamer


oh my!
:Q



:roll:

and console gamers ALSO get the *privilege* of paying TEN dollars more for each game - over PC games - to get the *same* enforced mediocrity as other consolers ... that extra $1000 is hard for me to justify
--giving up my PC *upgrades*

OTOH, IF you bought your console for the games ... that IS the best reason
-imo

and no 'excuses' are needed ... just don't say PC gaming is *more expensive*

it is NOT

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: manowar821
Consoles = Obsolete on arrival.

more like *mediocrity* on arrival - for the "average" gamer
... i didn't say lamer


oh my!
:Q



:roll:

and console gamers ALSO get the *privilege* of paying TEN dollars more for each game - over PC games - to get the *same* as other consolers ... that extra $1000 is hard for me to justify
--giving up my PC *upgraded*

OTOH, IF you bought your console for the games ... that IS the best reason
-imo

and no 'excuses' are needed ... just don't say PC gaming is *more expensive*

it is NOT

:laugh: :thumbsup:

 

[Matt2]

apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2
apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

i think the *positives* of consoles have been extolled enough
- at the *expense* of the PC

to my knowledge, this is the *first* thread - anywhere on ATF - that has predicted the "death of console gaming"

EVERY *other* thread was about the PC 'slipping' as a gaming machine ... that its *death* is imminent [with every new console launch] ... or that it is *expensive*

it is NOT expensive ... over the same five years a relatively 'hardcore' PC gamer and a console gamer will spend about *the same* .. counting games and HW costs.

this is also the *first* time i see ONE of the big three with a 'perceived' big turd of a console - at least in its showing to date ... and i don't see a nextGen from them at all
:shocked:

finally, this is the first time the xbox and PS3 launched with arguably "identical" gfx capabilities ... you have GoW and we have Oblivion - *both* are awesome graphically .... but next year i predict the PC will simply *blow away* the consoles both in performance and in graphics

that hasn't happened before ... at anytime of PC vs. Comparable Console ... only much closer to the 'end-of-life for a console's gen.

anyway, although i am replying to *you* - MattTwo - my replies are very "generalized" as i am pointing out the advantages - and coming advantages - of PC gaming
--i don't intend to be "fair and balanced"


imo, this is just beginning to address the imbalance

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Matt2
apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

i think the *positives* of consoles have been extolled enough
- at the *expense* of the PC

to my knowledge, this is the *first* thread - anywhere on ATF - that has predicted the "death of console gaming"

EVERY *other* thread was about the PC 'slipping' as a gaming machine ... that its *death* is imminent [with every new console launch] ... or that it is *expensive*

it is NOT expensive ... over the same five years a relatively 'hardcore' PC gamer and a console gamer will spend about *the same* .. counting games and HW costs.

this is also the *first* time i see ONE of the big three with a 'perceived' big turd of a console - at least in its showing to date ... and i don't see a nextGen from them at all
:shocked:

finally, this is the first time the xbox and PS3 launched with arguably "identical" gfx capabilities ... you have GoW and we have Oblivion - *both* are awesome graphically .... but next year i predict the PC will simply *blow away* the consoles both in performance and in graphics

that hasn't happened before ... at anytime of PC vs. Comparable Console ... only much closer to the 'end-of-life for a console's gen.

anyway, although i am replying to *you* - MattTwo - my replies are very "generalized" as i am pointing out the advantages - and coming advantages - of PC gaming
--i don't intend to be "fair and balanced"


imo, this is just beginning to address the imbalance

Consoles are more dynamic than you think. The fact that they use custom APIs and have no OS overhead will allow consoles to keep up for longer.

Just because the xbox360 isn't DX10 doesnt mean that the CryTek team can't write the xbox360 version to create the same type of visual effects. While the execution and implementation may be different from how the PC version does things, we're going to end up with basically the same picture.

Now I'm not saying that PC games wont look better because they will, but is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA?

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Matt2
apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

I will agree the Wii isn't about visuals, but it doesn't try to be. I view the gaming experence Gears of War and Zelda provide differently. One is a FPS and those are mainly based on providing the most realistic visuals the hardware can do. Mainly because the aim in FPS is to aim correctly (cheesy pun intended). To do that you need very sharp pictures and a high framerate.

Zelda on the other hand deals more with puzzles, and doesn't require the fine tuned pictures that a FPS would require.

This is why I think the Wii is a much better suited console for me. I already have a high-end pc. If I want to play a FPS I can do it with the best machine for those games. If I want to play a platform game i.e. Zelda, Mario Kart, Super Smash. Then I can do that on one of the best platforms for fun games IMO.

I will probably pick up a 360 though just because of Halo. I have enjoyed the Halo series all most as much as some of the Nintendo greats.

Realy though there are pros and cons to each genre. PC will not push console out and console will not push PC out. There will always be people who perfer one or the other -- or heck both; like some of us here.

Cheers! and remember guys it's just games here, the idea is to have fun. Sometimes I think we forget that.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Matt2
apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

i think the *positives* of consoles have been extolled enough
- at the *expense* of the PC

to my knowledge, this is the *first* thread - anywhere on ATF - that has predicted the "death of console gaming"

EVERY *other* thread was about the PC 'slipping' as a gaming machine ... that its *death* is imminent [with every new console launch] ... or that it is *expensive*

it is NOT expensive ... over the same five years a relatively 'hardcore' PC gamer and a console gamer will spend about *the same* .. counting games and HW costs.

this is also the *first* time i see ONE of the big three with a 'perceived' big turd of a console - at least in its showing to date ... and i don't see a nextGen from them at all
:shocked:

finally, this is the first time the xbox and PS3 launched with arguably "identical" gfx capabilities ... you have GoW and we have Oblivion - *both* are awesome graphically .... but next year i predict the PC will simply *blow away* the consoles both in performance and in graphics

that hasn't happened before ... at anytime of PC vs. Comparable Console ... only much closer to the 'end-of-life for a console's gen.

anyway, although i am replying to *you* - MattTwo - my replies are very "generalized" as i am pointing out the advantages - and coming advantages - of PC gaming
--i don't intend to be "fair and balanced"


imo, this is just beginning to address the imbalance

Consoles are more dynamic than you think. The fact that they use custom APIs and have no OS overhead will allow consoles to keep up for longer.

Just because the xbox360 isn't DX10 doesnt mean that the CryTek team can't write the xbox360 version to create the same type of visual effects. While the execution and implementation may be different from how the PC version does things, we're going to end up with basically the same picture.

Now I'm not saying that PC games wont look better because they will, but is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA?

consoles *used to be* more 'dynamic'
.... frankly, the 360 and PS3 were outmoded before they were launched - UNLIKE the original xbox and PS2 - and they fell waaay far short of their creators' original plans because of PC's HW passing it right by while it was still in it's long development.

and PC HW is getting faster and cheaper still with multicore.

sure ... CryTek's team will have the Same 'effect' - will it even be the same game? ... FC was never "ported" to xbox ... you got some 'lame' ugly game instead
...and your Console will *never* run it any better then it does on day one ... otoh, PC gamers can return to games over-and-over - often with new user-made content, years later that will run and look better then ever before ... FC *still* is a great looking game with the new mods ... your 'FC clone' still runs like crap on any xbox.

so now we're agreed that "that PC games wont look better because they will" ... and then you ask ...
"is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA? "

a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

and the gap is gonna get wider ... day by day and with each new generation of game released .... and next year i don't think we are gonna hear any consolers bragging about their *experience* ... as Devs *struggle* to keep-up withe the PC's visuals ... your experience continually degrades ... exactly what happened with xbox and PS2 ... only now it is happening a couple of years "prematurely"

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Todd33

$600 on the PC won't even buy you a CPU and graphics card, let alone a OS, HD, memory, etc. For $400-$600 the 360 and PS3 are a better hardware value. As far as software, games do cost more on the consoles if you buy them as new releases, but more and more games developers are moving to the consoles, so the PC is not the king anymore.

PC Gaming

Case: $50
PSU: $40 Forton 350watt
CPU: AMD x2 3600+, $60
RAM: 1gb ddr2 $60
Video card: x1950pro $135
OS: Windows XP $90
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 200gb $65
Motherboard: $50
DVDrom: $20

Total: $570

Console Gaming

PS3 or Xbox360: $500-600
Dell/HP/Emachines computer for web browsing, doing work (GASP!), etc: $300

Total: $800-$900

And that's without an xbox live subscription, HDTV to enjoy resolutions higher than 640*480, etc.

Nice computer for games two years ago. I was assuming something for todays games, but ok. If you "need" a $1500 HDTV for a console, you "need" one for a computer too, both can use the same output devices.

umm, the x1950pro wasnt even out two years ago

good luck finding a game that system cant run :roll:

why do you need a $1500 HDTV for a comptuer when you can get a LCD Monitor with a higher resolution for less? Silly console players getting all excited about 720p... pc gamers have been gaming at higher than that resolution for the past five years

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: redbox
My computer monitor doesn't do 1080p. It's 1680X1050. IIRC 1080p is 1920X1080.

And? you dont need 1080p atm.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Matt2
apoppin-

Who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

I already have the best of both worlds and I enjoy that luxury immensely. I'm simply pointing out the positives of consoles.

Redbox- If Gears of War hurt your eyes on an HDTV, then I would stay far far away from the Wii(k). You're not going to get a resolution higher than 720x480 with absolutely no AA.

i think the *positives* of consoles have been extolled enough
- at the *expense* of the PC

to my knowledge, this is the *first* thread - anywhere on ATF - that has predicted the "death of console gaming"

EVERY *other* thread was about the PC 'slipping' as a gaming machine ... that its *death* is imminent [with every new console launch] ... or that it is *expensive*

it is NOT expensive ... over the same five years a relatively 'hardcore' PC gamer and a console gamer will spend about *the same* .. counting games and HW costs.

this is also the *first* time i see ONE of the big three with a 'perceived' big turd of a console - at least in its showing to date ... and i don't see a nextGen from them at all
:shocked:

finally, this is the first time the xbox and PS3 launched with arguably "identical" gfx capabilities ... you have GoW and we have Oblivion - *both* are awesome graphically .... but next year i predict the PC will simply *blow away* the consoles both in performance and in graphics

that hasn't happened before ... at anytime of PC vs. Comparable Console ... only much closer to the 'end-of-life for a console's gen.

anyway, although i am replying to *you* - MattTwo - my replies are very "generalized" as i am pointing out the advantages - and coming advantages - of PC gaming
--i don't intend to be "fair and balanced"


imo, this is just beginning to address the imbalance

Consoles are more dynamic than you think. The fact that they use custom APIs and have no OS overhead will allow consoles to keep up for longer.

Just because the xbox360 isn't DX10 doesnt mean that the CryTek team can't write the xbox360 version to create the same type of visual effects. While the execution and implementation may be different from how the PC version does things, we're going to end up with basically the same picture.

Now I'm not saying that PC games wont look better because they will, but is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA?

consoles *used to be* more 'dynamic'
.... frankly, the 360 and PS3 were outmoded before they were launched - UNLIKE the original xbox and PS2 - and they fell waaay far short of their creators' original plans because of PC's HW passing it right by while it was still in it's long development.

and PC HW is getting faster and cheaper still with multicore.

sure ... CryTek's team will have the Same 'effect' - will it even be the same game? ... FC was never "ported" to xbox ... you got some 'lame' ugly game instead
...and your Console will *never* run it any better then it does on day one ... otoh, PC gamers can return to games over-and-over - often with new user-made content, years later that will run and look better then ever before ... FC *still* is a great looking game with the new mods ... your 'FC clone' still runs like crap on any xbox.

so now we're agreed that "that PC games wont look better because they will" ... and then you ask ...
"is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA? "

a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

and the gap is gonna get wider ... day by day and with each new generation of game released .... and next year i don't think we are gonna hear any consolers bragging about their *experience* ... as Devs *struggle* to keep-up withe the PC's visuals ... your experience continually degrades ... exactly what happened with xbox and PS2 ... only now it is happening a couple of years "prematurely"

Yet they Sell so damn well.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin
a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

Well for those like me on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, PC gaming is indeed far more expensive.

I'm going to need to buy a $550 video card just to enjoy my PC games.

That's already $200 more than I paid for my Xbox360 premium WITH Gears of War (Dont ask me where I got it).

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you need a $1500 HDTV for a comptuer when you can get a LCD Monitor with a higher resolution for less? Silly console players getting all excited about 720p... pc gamers have been gaming at higher than that resolution for the past five years

Or you could buy a 24" monitor and enjoy 1080P on both and kill 2 birds with one stone. Like me!

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

Well for those like me on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, PC gaming is indeed far more expensive.

I'm going to need to buy a $550 video card just to enjoy my PC games.

That's already $200 more than I paid for my Xbox360 premium WITH Gears of War (Dont ask me where I got it).

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you need a $1500 HDTV for a comptuer when you can get a LCD Monitor with a higher resolution for less? Silly console players getting all excited about 720p... pc gamers have been gaming at higher than that resolution for the past five years

Or you could buy a 24" monitor and enjoy 1080P on both and kill 2 birds with one stone. Like me!

dude that sounds like a awsome idea. if i can get a 24inch for around 600$ i can go pick up a xbox 360

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

Well for those like me on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, PC gaming is indeed far more expensive.

I'm going to need to buy a $550 video card just to enjoy my PC games.

That's already $200 more than I paid for my Xbox360 premium WITH Gears of War (Dont ask me where I got it).

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you need a $1500 HDTV for a comptuer when you can get a LCD Monitor with a higher resolution for less? Silly console players getting all excited about 720p... pc gamers have been gaming at higher than that resolution for the past five years

Or you could buy a 24" monitor and enjoy 1080P on both and kill 2 birds with one stone. Like me!

dude that sounds like a awsome idea. if i can get a 24inch for around 600$ i can go pick up a xbox 360

I know, it's great. I highly recommend this route to anyone. Just make sure you get a 24" with 1:1 pixel mapping for the xbox360 because it will only output 1920x1080. So if you use it with a monitor without 1:1 pixel mapping your picture is going to be stretched vertically.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

Well for those like me on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor, PC gaming is indeed far more expensive.

I'm going to need to buy a $550 video card just to enjoy my PC games.

That's already $200 more than I paid for my Xbox360 premium WITH Gears of War (Dont ask me where I got it).

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you need a $1500 HDTV for a comptuer when you can get a LCD Monitor with a higher resolution for less? Silly console players getting all excited about 720p... pc gamers have been gaming at higher than that resolution for the past five years

Or you could buy a 24" monitor and enjoy 1080P on both and kill 2 birds with one stone. Like me!

dude that sounds like a awsome idea. if i can get a 24inch for around 600$ i can go pick up a xbox 360

I know, it's great. I highly recommend this route to anyone. Just make sure you get a 24" with 1:1 pixel mapping for the xbox360 because it will only output 1920x1080. So if you use it with a monitor without 1:1 pixel mapping your picture is going to be stretched vertically.

How about the dell 2407? pm me

btw save your efforts, your just wasting your time. Remember this is AT and its made up of PC users so there are gonna be a crap load of pc fanboys who never touched a console. Even if they say they did most likely bsing. Let them keep there 1 platform while we enjoy multiple.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: apoppin

i think the *positives* of consoles have been extolled enough
- at the *expense* of the PC

to my knowledge, this is the *first* thread - anywhere on ATF - that has predicted the "death of console gaming"

EVERY *other* thread was about the PC 'slipping' as a gaming machine ... that its *death* is imminent [with every new console launch] ... or that it is *expensive*

it is NOT expensive ... over the same five years a relatively 'hardcore' PC gamer and a console gamer will spend about *the same* .. counting games and HW costs.

this is also the *first* time i see ONE of the big three with a 'perceived' big turd of a console - at least in its showing to date ... and i don't see a nextGen from them at all
:shocked:

finally, this is the first time the xbox and PS3 launched with arguably "identical" gfx capabilities ... you have GoW and we have Oblivion - *both* are awesome graphically .... but next year i predict the PC will simply *blow away* the consoles both in performance and in graphics

that hasn't happened before ... at anytime of PC vs. Comparable Console ... only much closer to the 'end-of-life for a console's gen.

anyway, although i am replying to *you* - MattTwo - my replies are very "generalized" as i am pointing out the advantages - and coming advantages - of PC gaming
--i don't intend to be "fair and balanced"


imo, this is just beginning to address the imbalance

Consoles are more dynamic than you think. The fact that they use custom APIs and have no OS overhead will allow consoles to keep up for longer.

Just because the xbox360 isn't DX10 doesnt mean that the CryTek team can't write the xbox360 version to create the same type of visual effects. While the execution and implementation may be different from how the PC version does things, we're going to end up with basically the same picture.

Now I'm not saying that PC games wont look better because they will, but is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA?

consoles *used to be* more 'dynamic'
.... frankly, the 360 and PS3 were outmoded before they were launched - UNLIKE the original xbox and PS2 - and they fell waaay far short of their creators' original plans because of PC's HW passing it right by while it was still in it's long development.

and PC HW is getting faster and cheaper still with multicore.

sure ... CryTek's team will have the Same 'effect' - will it even be the same game? ... FC was never "ported" to xbox ... you got some 'lame' ugly game instead
...and your Console will *never* run it any better then it does on day one ... otoh, PC gamers can return to games over-and-over - often with new user-made content, years later that will run and look better then ever before ... FC *still* is a great looking game with the new mods ... your 'FC clone' still runs like crap on any xbox.

so now we're agreed that "that PC games wont look better because they will" ... and then you ask ...
"is upgrading your video card + the cost of the game really worth a little bit sharper textures and some AA? "

a resounding *yes* --as PC gaming is NOT more expensive in any way shape or form than then console gaming
imo, of course

and the gap is gonna get wider ... day by day and with each new generation of game released .... and next year i don't think we are gonna hear any consolers bragging about their *experience* ... as Devs *struggle* to keep-up withe the PC's visuals ... your experience continually degrades ... exactly what happened with xbox and PS2 ... only now it is happening a couple of years "prematurely"

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Yet they Sell so damn well.[/quote]
and

btw save your efforts, your just wasting your time. Remember this is AT and its made up of PC users so there are gonna be a crap load of pc fanboys who never touched a console. Even if they say they did most likely bsing. Let them keep there 1 platform while we enjoy multiple.

what a well-thought out response .. to call someone a 'fanboy' just cause he doesn't respond to your jumbled - and somewhat angry - posts positively
:roll:

enjoy the games AND the extra expense of your multiple platforms ... nothing wrong with that ... it is just really *expensive* to do more than one AND to keep the PC upgraded
-- so DON'T SAY PC gaming "costs more" ... it does not

as to the "sales" ... PS3's doesn't looks so healthy ... i'd have to say - worldwide, so far - compared to previous PS launches ... i'd say Sony is beyond disappointed as they look to take a *further loss* per unit sold by discounting it when it is still really new
... *hoping* their long term investment will pay off by charging you guys up-the-butt for their overpriced games in the future

OtOh, the Wii is NOT a "pc wannabe" and looks to be a run away success

so that leaves ONE "gguaranteed" successful console ... the xbox360 with a great chance at a future - with MS backing them ... right in there with PC gaming

and the PC is about to leave the 360 in the Dust ... graphically speaking pretty soon

enjoy

 

[Matt2]

I've only got 4 letters for you poppy:

H-A-L-O

/thread

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I've only got 4 letters for you poppy:

H-A-L-O

/thread

LOL, this thread is funny. dude is all worked up over nothing. ill catch ya later