FORGIVE ME -- New Gaming Rig, Intel 7700k v Intel 8700k v Ryzen 1600x

[epsilon84]

For those that want to see a thorough review of the Coffee Lake CPUs, read the following two articles:

• http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-coffee-lake-core-i7-8700k-review
  
• http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...el-coffee-lake-s-core-i5-8400-i5-8600k-review

They do a phenomenal job reviewing them and comparing them to previous generations of Intel chips and current Ryzen chips.

The associated youtube videos are awesome as well:

• https://youtu.be/CZIVaGcax70
  
• https://youtu.be/9f5JQrnOwTE

Again, these are centered around gaming performance, and not overall performance.

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As for not getting the 8700K (or any Coffee Lake procs) when I wanted them, on the day I wanted them, life is hard. I'm glad this is the biggest disappointment I am dealing with...

Slightly odd choice that they used only DDR4-3000 on the 8700K but DDR4-3200 for the Skylake-X and Ryzen setups. Still, as shown it's easily the fastest gaming platform right now. I'm surprised at the big gains in Crysis 3 and The Witcher 3 compared to the 7700K, I guess when games finally stake taking full advantage of the extra cores the 8700K will pull away from the 7700K, something thats hard to see in most current titles.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I would use faster than DDR4-3000 for the Coffeelake system, just to be sure. Hell why didn't they use the same DIMMs? That's weird.

Also has anyone done memory scaling tests for Coffeelake yet? They did it for Skylake. Er well Anandtech did anyway.

 

[Reinvented]

I would use faster than DDR4-3000 for the Coffeelake system, just to be sure. Hell why didn't they use the same DIMMs? That's weird.

Also has anyone done memory scaling tests for Coffeelake yet? They did it for Skylake. Er well Anandtech did anyway.

My guess is that there's some memory incompatibility problems and that's why that didn't use the same DIMM's.

 

[GamingDaemon]

Knock on wood, but I see that my back-ordered 8700K will be shipped on November 21st. WOOOT!!!

 

[frozentundra123456]

Aprox 40% more throughput is a solid uplift.
Its not an engineering miracle like a sb hsw or ryzen but so what. Its performance per dollar that count and its a good step forward.
...when you can buy it.

Ryzen is an engineering miracle?Seriously?? They are well behind intel in clockspeed and only equal at best in ipc. Their biggest "miracle" is the cheap pricing. And actually, I wouldn't consider SB or Haswell miracles either. They were simply incremental improvements. The last thing IMO that comes close to a miracle is the huge leap in performance and efficiency from Pentium to Core architecture. Since then we have had only incremental improvements from intel, and a giant leap to simply "catch up" (except in clockspeed) from AMD.

 

[Markfw]

Ryzen is an engineering miracle?Seriously?? They are well behind intel in clockspeed and only equal at best in ipc. Their biggest "miracle" is the cheap pricing. And actually, I wouldn't consider SB or Haswell miracles either. They were simply incremental improvements. The last thing IMO that comes close to a miracle is the huge leap in performance and efficiency from Pentium to Core architecture. Since then we have had only incremental improvements from intel, and a giant leap to simply "catch up" (except in clockspeed) from AMD.

Ryzen excels in many areas over Intel, and SMT beats HT easily. Its in its forst generation, and will only improve. Clockspeed is only one factor, and not part of design.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Ryzen excels in many areas over Intel, and SMT beats HT easily. Its in its forst generation, and will only improve. Clockspeed is only one factor, and not part of design.

Clock speed is absolutely part of the design of a chip. It's not part of the high-level micro-architecture, but the clocks at which your chip can run are absolutely influenced by the quality of the physical implementation of the chip, among other things.

As far as Ryzen SMT beating Intel HT, that's not necessarily because AMD has a better implementation. Zen is a wider machine than Skylake, so more of Zen's resources go unused/under-utilized with a single program thread than on Skylake, which can mean a bigger boost from having multiple hardware threads in the core.

 

[Markfw]

Clock speed is absolutely part of the design of a chip. It's not part of the high-level micro-architecture, but the clocks at which your chip can run are absolutely influenced by the quality of the physical implementation of the chip, among other things.

As far as Ryzen SMT beating Intel HT, that's not necessarily because AMD has a better implementation. Zen is a wider machine than Skylake, so more of Zen's resources go unused/under-utilized with a single program thread than on Skylake, which can mean a bigger boost from having multiple hardware threads in the core.

I think everybody has agreed that at the moment that Ryzen is first gen, and clock speeds and IPC will only increase. Intel is in its 8th generation right now.

Lets leave it at that.

 

[coercitiv]

As far as Ryzen SMT beating Intel HT, that's not necessarily because AMD has a better implementation. Zen is a wider machine than Skylake, so more of Zen's resources go unused/under-utilized with a single program thread than on Skylake, which can mean a bigger boost from having multiple hardware threads in the core.

I know it's tricky, because we (usually) care more for ST than MT performance, but considering the DNA of Zen is server oriented, we could say you have just explained why Zen's HT implementation is better. That doesn't make the overall arch better though.

Ryzen is an engineering miracle?Seriously?? They are well behind intel in clockspeed and only equal at best in ipc. Their biggest "miracle" is the cheap pricing.

We had many experienced forum members repeatedly explain in the past few years that AMD did not posses the financial resources and engineering skill to produce a high performance competitive design that would even stand close to Sandy/Haswell. We had Intel claim repeatedly they were not one bit worried about what AMD could achieve with their new design. Nobody except the raving fans expected this kind of performance. Zen delivered well past anyone's expectations. This is the very definition of a miracle.

I can understand these last 6-9 months have been quite tiresome on the forum with people chanting and praising Zen like the second coming (oh, the miracle puns...), but don't let this turn into some kind of hate for the product. You may not care for it as much, but we have Intel zealots as well, and they do the same disservice to the forums as the AMD ones.

Praise be, as we would say in the theocratic republic of Gilead.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Compare Summit Ridge to Piledriver and tell me it isn't a miracle. 'nuff said.

 

[GamingDaemon]

IT SHIPPED!!!! IT SHIPPED!!!! IT SHIPPED!!!! IT SHIPPED!!!!

Hallelujah!!!

IT SHIPPED!!!!


Forgive my enthusiasm, but it shipped. Paid $379. Not too shabby for an 8700K

 

[DrMrLordX]

Good on ya. Got fairly close to retail, too.

 

[Zucker2k]

Compare Summit Ridge to Piledriver and tell me it isn't a miracle. 'nuff said.

Fair enough. A miracle in AMDland then, cos it's obvious AMD is masking it's inferior ipc with more cores (up to 100% more cores against kabylake and still lost in many scenarios, especially gaming) on the desktop.

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[DrMrLordX]

Their stunning sales turnaround would seem to disagree with you.

 

[Zucker2k]

Their stunning sales turnaround would seem to disagree with you.

To quote @frozentundra123456 "Cheap pricing" miracle it is; obviously.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Bollocks, they sold a ton of Ryzen chips at initial MSRP. Their revenue turnaround was impressive.

FX and the like had to be deeply discounted to sell anything.