Formula Boinc Sprints 2018

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StefanR5R

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As per yesterday's stats snapshot at free-dc, the sprint caused triple the daily points at Yoyo@home than normal. And I am sure that this will increase further today and tomorrow.

I copied the following graphs from stats3.free-dc.org.







Meanwhile, the server is keeping up with the load very well, from what I see. I am convinced that one of the reasons for this is that Yoyo (the admin) configured the server to keep a very small database of completed WUs, as I mentioned in post #643.

My assessment therefore is that the admin appears to be competent on the technical side, but not to be trusted to make appropriate decisions on the policy side. (The latter aligns with a TeAm mate's earlier experience with Yoyo, of which I don't find a reference here in the forum though.)

Yesterday, after a stressful week (and with extra stress from a noisy neighborhood until 1AM, when I wanted to cool the apartment down but instead had to close some of the windows and in addition had to wear ear plugs), it occurred to me that I should maintain a personal blacklist of projects that offended me. Today, after a minimum of rest, I am thinking that this is a method I should make use of when needed, but it is on the other hand not the only way to avoid being offended.

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Edit,
an addendum regarding Yoyo's policies:

Regarding ECM WUs which due to their high RAM requirements cause hosts to fall idle, and run into danger to become unresponsive because swapping is being employed if not carefully avoided by users: I am sure that Yoyo is aware that he sends WUs with such properties, since it was discussed on the yoyo@home forum before. Also, I believe that he finds it acceptable that users need to learn about, and employ, advanced workarounds to run his projects.

It is similar with how he runs YAFU. There, the partly singlethreaded, partly multithreaded jobs are not easy to control, cannot be reasonably run together with other projects, and per default introduce notable under-utilization of multiprocessor hosts. Yoyo himself mentioned in the YAFU forum that it is possible to work around this problem by overprovisioning the host (by means of artificially increased <ncpus> or/and multiple client instances), and thereby basically shrugged off this issue.

At YAFU, he also is aware of, but does not care, that credits/hour never converge for a given host. How he handles credits related issues at yoyo@home is difficult to see for the time being, since completed WUs vanish from the database almost immediately.
 
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crashtech

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<snip>... it occurred to me that I should maintain a personal blacklist of projects that offended me. Today, after a minimum of rest, I am thinking that this is a method I should make use of when needed, but it is on the other hand not the only way to avoid being offended.

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Edit,
an addendum regarding Yoyo's policies:

Regarding ECM WUs which due to their high RAM requirements cause hosts to fall idle, and run into danger to become unresponsive because swapping is being employed if not carefully avoided by users: I am sure that Yoyo is aware that he sends WUs with such properties, since it was discussed on the yoyo@home forum before. Also, I believe that he finds it acceptable that users need to learn about, and employ, advanced workarounds to run his projects.

It is similar with how he runs YAFU. There, the partly singlethreaded, partly multithreaded jobs are not easy to control, cannot be reasonably run together with other projects, and per default introduce notable under-utilization of multiprocessor hosts. Yoyo himself mentioned in the YAFU forum that it is possible to work around this problem by overprovisioning the host (by means of artificially increased <ncpus> or/and multiple client instances), and thereby basically shrugged off this issue.

At YAFU, he also is aware of, but does not care, that credits/hour never converge for a given host. How he handles credits related issues at yoyo@home is difficult to see for the time being, since completed WUs vanish from the database almost immediately.

It might be fair for us to make a public thread "Projects You May Wish To Avoid, And Why." This will help the TeAm make better decisions, and may even impel admins to make changes to projects. Personally, given the info available, I already have foregone YAFU. I won't run yoyo outside of Sprints either.
 

Orange Kid

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Looking pretty solid in third.
Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings! Are there bunkers out there? Will Planet3D make a move Now!

1 Gridcoin 25 ......6,459,810
2 SETI.USA 18 …...3,697,612
3 TeAm AnandTech
15 …...2,337,372
4 Czech National Team 12 ......976,716
5 Planet 3DNow! 10 ......937,307
6 UK BOINC Team 8 …...839,872
7 Russia Team 6 …...669,729
8 Rechenkraft.net 4 …...650,482
9 L'Alliance Francophone 2 …...480,346
10 SETI.Germany 1 …...173,519

From FreeDC
crashtech 589,497
xii5ku 525,655
biodoc 258,572
Tejas 207,165
10esseeTony 147,330
[TA]OrangeKid 128,749
Howdy2u2 101,043
petrusbroder 98,594
Ken_g6 89,992
iwajabitw 69,784
zzuupp 38,273
GLeeM 29,016
Kiska 15,771
MarcelliusIkaP 14,308
geecee 257
 

StefanR5R

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More shenanigans:
  • One of my hosts was unattended since Friday evening. Some time during the night from Friday to Saturday, it got blacklisted by the server and received no more tasks. The only records that I have is (a) the tasks list on the web server, which only contains one errored task reported on Friday morning, and (b) the local output of "boinccmd --get_old_tasks" which contains 4 successfully completed tasks, reported in the night from Friday to Saturday. So, I have no idea why this host no longer received tasks.
  • During the sprint, yoyo introduced a per-host limit of 2 tasks in progress per logical CPU.
    https://www.rechenkraft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=16981#p175395
    Edit: Such a limit is nonsensical on a project which has tasks with so widely differing durations, like on yoyo@home (order of magnitude: ~1h...2d on modern hardware, AFAICT).
    (In a subsequent post he also confirms that the almost immediate pruning of finished WUs from the database is his deliberate action, with server performance in mind.)
Good: Yoyo is actively taking care to keep the server up.
Bad: He can't care less about what contributors expect or need.

Edit: Obviously he is convinced that his server cannot support an FB sprint without disproportionately restrictive server settings. I wonder if he considered or even attempted to get yoyo@home removed from Formula Boinc's list of sprint projects. --- OTOH, he survived Pentathlon 2017 without such games.
 
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Orange Kid

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Yoyo@home final
Third it is. Great race all considering the problems and limitations we encountered on this one.
...and on to full bore at Seti till the next one here.

1 Gridcoin 25 …...9,871,070
2 SETI.USA 18 …...6,792,484
3 TeAm AnandTech 15 …...3,228,137
4 Czech National Team 12 …...1,725,079
5 Planet 3DNow! 10 …...1,328,662
6 UK BOINC Team 8 …...1,182,637
7 Rechenkraft.net 6 …...1,127,157
8 Russia Team 4 ...….1,085,729
9 L'Alliance Francophone 2 …...736,148
10 Overclock.net 1 ......380,414

crashtech 735,711
xii5ku 661,615
biodoc 313,874
10esseeTony 302,067
Tejas 231,260
Howdy2u2 146,243
[TA]OrangeKid 144,814
Ken_g6 134,741
petrusbroder 127,959
iwajabitw 87,897
zzuupp 54,180
GLeeM 38,720
Kiska 37,437
MarcelliusIkaP 20,073
geecee 374

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TennesseeTony

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@crashtech @iwajabitw @TennesseeTony @anyoneelse with older high DP AMD cards....

I will just tell you straight up, TeAm mates....if you do not have a high double precision AMD card to run Milkyway with....you're just wasting electricity on that project.

My information is dated however, but we're talking a minute or so per task on R9-280X/HD7970, versus 20 to 90 minutes on Nvidia last I checked. CPU multi-threaded has a prolonged single threaded portion, so multi-threaded is poorly implemented as well. Again, dated info, so perhaps someone should do some tests to verify, but my hopes are low that it has improved.
 

Orange Kid

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I'm doing ~2min on a 1070 and~4 on a 970.
With an 80 task limit, I will just let my two run.
 

crashtech

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My love for Milkyway has got me looking at older Titan cards, though I don't know how their theoretical performance translates into the real world. The charts on the M@H site don't directly compare AMD to Nvidia
 

Tejas_2

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Quick test RX 570 after 8 workunits avg-124s/wu
Old but reliable GTX 560 after 3 workunits 410s/wu
 

Markfw

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Damn, I just took the 7970 card out of TR number 4 and put in a new 1080TI yesterday. Now I have to find a new box to put it in.
 
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