Forza Motorsport 7 & Gran Turismo: Sport

[Sadaiyappan]

I'm still downloading this. I will get back to you with some impressions.

 

[EXCellR8]

I played the Forza 7 demo on XB1 but I couldn't drive that Porsche for sh**. Not sure if I was just used to playing Dirt 4 but I had a real difficult time keeping the car straight and on the road. I'm totally fine in Forza 6 though so maybe I had disabled one too many assists? I usually play with just ABS enabled; no TCS or assisted steering. I also don't like automatic gears or driving lines. Is there still around 12 cars too many on the field at any given time? Used to drive me crazy, no pun intended.

 

[XavierMace]

Yeah, that's because the physics are wonky. I'm a long time vet of Forza and other series. I'm used to driving with all assists off. Something is just off with the way the cars handle.

 

[Dolfan349]

Physics seem fine to me, it feels just like any other Forza. Played the Spa endurance in the R-class Corvette and it was an absolute dream to drive with all the assists off. I usually don't like endurance races, but they put it on one of my favorite tracks ever -- combined with how beautiful the game is and how satisfying it was to drive, the ~1 hour I spent on a single race flew by.

That being said, I'm really not a fan of the homologation, I miss being able to upgrade.

 

[EXCellR8]

The light dosage of customization in Forza 6 and H3 was perfect imo... and the ability to make your car eligible to race in a class or two above was great.

I will try 7 again; maybe playing 6 for the last week or so will help out. Getting hyped for GT next week though...

EDIT: went to the GS near work and preordered GT; was tempted to just grab Forza while I was there but I'll hold off. I have plenty of Forza 6 to play still.

 

[XavierMace]

Physics seem fine to me, it feels just like any other Forza. Played the Spa endurance in the R-class Corvette and it was an absolute dream to drive with all the assists off.

Try driving a higher powered normal car rather than an R class car.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Anyone play the GT Sport demo/beta? It looked awesome with the lighting but disappointly it seemed to be pre-rendered mostly. There is some serious rubberband AI where you get passed like you're standing still near the end of the race and some poor tactics as well. For example the AI will move over if they are being lapped for other AI cars but then not move over for you the same way. Just felt bland really because you never feel like the game takes into account your performance throughout the race. Though I think the physics are better than what I remember from forza, haven't played 7 yet so I don't know.

 

[zerocool84]

Anyone play the GT Sport demo/beta? It looked awesome with the lighting but disappointly it seemed to be pre-rendered mostly. There is some serious rubberband AI where you get passed like you're standing still near the end of the race and some poor tactics as well. For example the AI will move over if they are being lapped for other AI cars but then not move over for you the same way. Just felt bland really because you never feel like the game takes into account your performance throughout the race. Though I think the physics are better than what I remember from forza, haven't played 7 yet so I don't know.

Yea I played it, lighting looked freaking awesome, especially with HDR. Top notch. Only the backgrounds seemed pre rendered which is common for racing games.

 

[HitAnyKey]

Will wait for the reviews on Xbox X for Forza 7. Forza 6 was alright but felt underwhelming.

And didn't they say Toyota lineup has been dropped? Is that true? If I can't drive the Supra then they won't get another penny from me until it returns and maybe I go to Sony's GT:S if they have the my cars there.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Will wait for the reviews on Xbox X for Forza 7. Forza 6 was alright but felt underwhelming.

And didn't they say Toyota lineup has been dropped? Is that true? If I can't drive the Supra then they won't get another penny from me until it returns and maybe I go to Sony's GT:S if they have the my cars there.

They have dropped all of the Toyota production cars, in other words the Supra, Celica and 86. You can still get Toyota race cars, although not many of them.

They say the reason is that Toyota is being difficult when it comes to licensing and does not want to license out their production cars. Stupid but their decision.

 

[nurturedhate]

After reading the recent posts I'm so glad I went with GT:S. Can't wait until tomorrow.

 

[EXCellR8]

86 Rally car is in GT... so that's awesome. Really wish Codemasters would have added some homologated cars to Dirt 4 but that's a pipe dream.

The car list in GT:Sport is a little lacking when it comes to production cars imho but considering how amazing the game looks and likely plays, there's no way I'm skipping out. AI can always be improved with later build patches but the AI in the late Forza games isn't great either; I try not to let it affect my experience. I try to drive as cleanly and quickly as possible but sometimes you gotta scrape a little paint.

 

[disappoint]

GT:S Looks good:

 

[nurturedhate]

GT:S ps4 vs ps4 pro comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-CXHtW6Jjg

 

[EXCellR8]

picking up my copy at lunch time; getting nervous reading some early critic reviews though...

apparently the game doesn't really have a career mode, per say; it's heavily aimed toward real online competition. I'll give it a chance, but it sort of sounds like it's NOT the casual, laid back racing game that I was hoping would land on the PS4. i'm going to be upset if this new focus doesn't work out for me. I don't mind racing online with friends but matchmaking and random challengers typically doesn't go well nowadays.

GT Sport is in many ways a departure for Gran Turismo, aimed squarely at people interested in rising through the ranks of a professionally governed online racing league. As a result, developer Polyphony Digital and the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile have taken strict control over player progress, car purchases, and even the in-game photo mode for some mysterious reason. You aren't given a choice to either opt in or out of this system, and must contend with its limitations even if you have zero interest in the FIA.

Gone are the days of experimenting with cars from decades past that offer more charm than horsepower. If that's what you're after, you should probably keep playing Gran Turismo 6, or look to a modern alternative like Forza Motorsport 7 to get your fix.

ugh, now I got this sinking feeling...

 

[nurturedhate]

picking up my copy at lunch time; getting nervous reading some early critic reviews though...

apparently the game doesn't really have a career mode, per say; it's heavily aimed toward real online competition. I'll give it a chance, but it sort of sounds like it's NOT the casual, laid back racing game that I was hoping would land on the PS4. i'm going to be upset if this new focus doesn't work out for me. I don't mind racing online with friends but matchmaking and random challengers typically doesn't go well nowadays.



ugh, now I got this sinking feeling...

From everything I've read there's still a regular arcade/career mode in GT:S, it's just not the giant car collection garage style the previous games offer. Seems more work went into each individual car instead of having 20 of the same car to balloon the roster. Yes, this means I don't get my beloved '94 Mazda RX-7 R2 in competition white mica or my 787b but so be it if it means better cars overall. I'm with you though as I really hope it's not 90% online matchmaking and 10% everything else.

 

[EXCellR8]

I'm all for the omitting of lower quality vehicle models and a smaller pool of choice automobiles overall, that's fine, but I also like custom tunes and adding just a touch of flair to my favorite rides--whether it be a custom set of wheels or some conservative lowering springs. I hope I can at least tune some of the vehicles beyond tire pressure, braking, and aero though.

I am still excited to try it, but I think it's going to be quite a foreign experience from what I'm used to. Worst case scenario... it's lousy but nothing will ever be as bad as Driveclub.

 

[nurturedhate]

I'm all for the omitting of lower quality vehicle models and a smaller pool of choice automobiles overall, that's fine, but I also like custom tunes and adding just a touch of flair to my favorite rides--whether it be a custom set of wheels or some conservative lowering springs. I hope I can at least tune some of the vehicles beyond tire pressure, braking, and aero though.

I am still excited to try it, but I think it's going to be quite a foreign experience from what I'm used to. Worst case scenario... it's lousy but nothing will ever be as bad as Driveclub.

At 4:25 in the video I linked there's a quick shot of some of the customization you can look at.

 

[EXCellR8]

Played it for a few hours... I'm liking it more than I thought after reading through some stuff today. The driving itself feels great, as expected from a GT game, but it definitely falls short in the content department. I can excuse the thinning of vehicle selection but the tracks... oh the tracks. The road courses in the game are all good but not only does it lack all of the great original GT tracks like Trial Mountain, High Speed Ring, Grand Valley, SSR5 and Tokyo Route 246 but almost all of the legendary real world road courses are gone! There's no Leguna Seca, Monza, Spa, Fuji, Silverstone, Le Mans or even Indianapolis! I'm not sure I can take the game seriously without having any of those great tracks. Yes, they are featured in other games but they belong in GT also. Nurburgring, Suzuka, and Willow Springs are there, along with some other cool road courses I've never driven but oh my where's the rest of them? DLC I'm hoping... maybe?

The game is good and looks phenomenal, and you can earn plenty of credits and mileage points just by setting up custom races but yea there's not much there in the way of a career mode. The upgrade system is about as streamlined as they could possibly make it and there's like 10 aftermarket wheel designs to choose from lol. Photo shoots are still cool but not really what I care about... it worked in previous games because there was plenty else to do and it felt like icing on the cake. I think I'll keep at it for now, when I can, but I surely hope something is done to add more tracks in the future. I haven't really been following the game's development like I did with GT5 but if anyone knows of any insider info, that would be pretty slick.

Pros: gorgeous graphics and car models, mature elitist focus on car culture, driving model is awesome once dialed in; likely a decent online community, .

Cons: significantly less vehicles than all previous GT games, very limited track selection and customization options, AI is pretty mindless, dated GUI

I'd give it a solid 7 out of 10 how it stands. It's really good but with a bit more content would easily be one of the best PS4 exclusives.

 

[disappoint]

The road courses in the game are all good but not only does it lack all of the great original GT tracks like Trial Mountain, High Speed Ring, Grand Valley, SSR5 and Tokyo Route 246 but almost all of the legendary real world road courses are gone! There's no Leguna Seca, Monza, Spa, Fuji, Silverstone, Le Mans or even Indianapolis! I'm not sure I can take the game seriously without having any of those great tracks. Yes, they are featured in other games but they belong in GT also. Nurburgring, Suzuka, and Willow Springs are there, along with some other cool road courses I've never driven but oh my where's the rest of them? DLC I'm hoping... maybe?

I wonder if Project Cars 2 might be more up your alley having a lot more tracks than GT Sport does?

Project Cars 2 track list:

Autodromo Internacional Algarve (Portugal)

Grand Prix Circuit

Autodromo Nazionale Monza (Italy)

Grand Prix Circuit
Historic Combined Circuit
Historic Grand Prix Circuit
Historic Oval Circuit
Short Circuit

Azure Circuit (France)

Grand Prix Circuit

Azure Coast (France)

Eastbound Point to Point
Stage 1 Point to Point
Stage 2 Point to Point
Stage 3 Point to Point
Westbound Point to Point

Bannochbrae (Scotland)

Road Circuit

Bathurst - Mount Panorama Motor Racing Circuit (Australia)

Grand Prix Circuit

Brands Hatch (United Kingdom)

Grand Prix Circuit
Indy Circuit

Brno (Czech Republic)

Grand Prix Circuit

Cadwell Park (United Kingdom)

Club Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
Woodland Circuit

California Highway (USA)

Northbound Point to Point
Southbound Point to Point
Stage 1 Point to Point
Stage 2 Point to Point
Stage 3 Point to Point

Chesterfield Karting Circuit (United Kingdom)

Grand Prix Circuit

Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (Spain)

Club Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium)

Grand Prix Circuit

Circuit of the Americas (USA)

Grand Prix Circuit

Daytona International Speedway (USA)

RallyCross Circuit
Road Course Circuit
Tri-Oval Circuit

Dirtfish Rally School (USA)

RallyCross Circuit

Donington (United Kingdom)

Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit

Dubai Autodrome (United Arab Emirates)

Club Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
International Circuit
Karting Circuit
National Circuit

Fuji Speedway (Japan)

Grand Prix Circuit

Glencairn Karting Circuit (United Kingdom)

East Circuit
East Reverse Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
Reverse Circuit
West Circuit
West Reverse Circuit

Greenwood Karting Circuit (Ireland)

Grand Prix Circuit

Hockenheimring (Germany)

Classic Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit
RallyCross Circuit
Short Circuit

Imola - Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari (Italy)

Grand Prix Circuit

Indianapolis Motor Speedway (USA)

Road Course Circuit
Speedway Oval Circuit

Knockhill Racing Circuit (Scotland)

International Reverse Circuit
RallyCross Circuit

Lankebanen - Hell (Norway)

RallyCross Circuit

Le Mans - Circuit de la Sarthe (France)

Bugatti Circuit
Circuit de 24 Heures du Mans

Loheac-Bretagna (France)

RallyCross Circuit

Long Beach (USA)

Grand Prix Circuit

Lydden Hill (UK)

Grand Prix Circuit
RallyCross Circuit

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (USA)

Grand Prix Circuit

Mercedes-Benz Ice Track (Sweden)

East Circuit
North Circuit
South Circuit
West Circuit

Mojave (USA)

Boa Ascent Circuit
Cougar Ridge Circuit
Coyote Noose Circuit
Gila Crest Circuit
Sidewinder Circuit
Test Track

Nurburgring (Germany)

Grand Prix Circuit
Muellenbach Circuit
Nordschleife Circuit
Nordschleife 24 Hour Circuit
Nordschleife Stage 1 Point to Point
Nordschleife Stage 2 Point to Point
Nordschleife Stage 3 Point to Point
Sprint Circuit
Sprint Short Circuit

Oschersleben Motorsport Arena (Germany)

C Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit

Oulton Park (United Kingdom)

Fosters Circuit
International Circuit
Island Circuit

Red Bull Ring (Austria)

Club Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit

Road America (USA)

Grand Prix Circuit

Rouen Les Essarts (France)

Grand Prix Circuit
Short Circuit

Ruapuna Park International Raceway (New Zealand)

A Circuit
B Circuit
Club Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
Outer Loop Circuit

Sakitto (Japan)

Grand Prix Circuit
International Circuit
National Circuit
Sprint Circuit

Sampala Circuit (Canada)

Grand Prix Circuit

Silverstone (United Kingdom)

Classic Circuit
Grand Prix Circuit
International Circuit
National Circuit
Stowe Circuit

Snetterton (United Kingdom)

100 Circuit
200 Circuit
300 Circuit

Sonoma Raceway (USA)

Grand Prix Circuit
National Circuit
Short Circuit

Sportsland SUGO (Japan)

Grand Prix Circuit

 

[EXCellR8]

yes, but PC2 is not Gran Turismo... and I like the driving in GT way more. Forza has better tracks also, and is a great game in its own right, but GT had a lot of original tracks that were excellent. Just not sure why they would have omitted all of them. Trial Mountain and Grand Valley have been in all previous games iirc.

it's not the end of the world... but pretty close

 

[nurturedhate]

Played it for a few hours... I'm liking it more than I thought after reading through some stuff today. The driving itself feels great, as expected from a GT game, but it definitely falls short in the content department. I can excuse the thinning of vehicle selection but the tracks... oh the tracks. The road courses in the game are all good but not only does it lack all of the great original GT tracks like Trial Mountain, High Speed Ring, Grand Valley, SSR5 and Tokyo Route 246 but almost all of the legendary real world road courses are gone! There's no Leguna Seca, Monza, Spa, Fuji, Silverstone, Le Mans or even Indianapolis! I'm not sure I can take the game seriously without having any of those great tracks. Yes, they are featured in other games but they belong in GT also. Nurburgring, Suzuka, and Willow Springs are there, along with some other cool road courses I've never driven but oh my where's the rest of them? DLC I'm hoping... maybe?

The game is good and looks phenomenal, and you can earn plenty of credits and mileage points just by setting up custom races but yea there's not much there in the way of a career mode. The upgrade system is about as streamlined as they could possibly make it and there's like 10 aftermarket wheel designs to choose from lol. Photo shoots are still cool but not really what I care about... it worked in previous games because there was plenty else to do and it felt like icing on the cake. I think I'll keep at it for now, when I can, but I surely hope something is done to add more tracks in the future. I haven't really been following the game's development like I did with GT5 but if anyone knows of any insider info, that would be pretty slick.

Pros: gorgeous graphics and car models, mature elitist focus on car culture, driving model is awesome once dialed in; likely a decent online community, .

Cons: significantly less vehicles than all previous GT games, very limited track selection and customization options, AI is pretty mindless, dated GUI

I'd give it a solid 7 out of 10 how it stands. It's really good but with a bit more content would easily be one of the best PS4 exclusives.

That's good to hear, my copy should arrive today in the mail. I've read some stuff about additional content for the game though not much has been said outside of there will be more added to the game. The impression I got was they had already spent a LONG time in development and wanted to get something out before the holidays. Yamauchi said on twitter that we'll be getting a lot more cars and more tracks with the dlc. It was asked previously if this would be free or paid and it seems to be a mix of both. I'd think we'd get the tracks for free to keep the online community in one grouping along with more commercial and super gt cars. We'll probably get charged for vintage and exotics.

 

[nurturedhate]

yes, but PC2 is not Gran Turismo...

Exactly, I've tried plenty of other racing games and none compares to GT when it comes to actually driving.

 

[purbeast0]

yes, but PC2 is not Gran Turismo... and I like the driving in GT way more. Forza has better tracks also, and is a great game in its own right, but GT had a lot of original tracks that were excellent. Just not sure why they would have omitted all of them. Trial Mountain and Grand Valley have been in all previous games iirc.

it's not the end of the world... but pretty close

Why include all tracks when they can sell them to you down the road and take more $$$ from you? That is the new way of developing games.

 

[EXCellR8]

Perhaps, but maybe the old tracks are still being upgraded or enhanced to meet the increased resource handling by the current gen console--or it wasn't their choice because FIA doesn't compete on fictional tracks. If they wanted to introduce some new tracks first, that's fine, but I'd really like to see some of the classics return at some point. If it's in the form of paid DLC that would be cruel but, on the other hand, Polyphony develops quality stuff.

Deep Forest! That's the one I couldn't think of. Great track, terrible name.