Found another one: Ukraine store accidentally ships FX-8120 and it gets tested!

[aigomorla]

LN2 expands 700 times when in turns into gas, and easily displaces and lowers O2 concentration in air to the point which is lethal in an enclosed space. Liquified gases are no joke, even if the gas in question in non-toxic or non-flammable.

<serious mode>

Stranger is correct... which is why when they bench with LN2 they make sure the AC is on high so it can pull the gasses out as its boiling... or they make sure its outside in a well ventilated area.

The same can be said with Dry Ice.

Nitrogen can be deadly... theres a reason why mixing it with Oxygen = laughing gas.

<joke mode>
So when AMD used LHe... did the benchers all have chipmunk voices afterwards? :whiste:

 

[Abwx]

Seems that the usual Intel trolling brigade is by there in full
hope that their expensives chips might not be trounced by
the competitor s product...:biggrin:

 

[CHADBOGA]

Seems that the usual Intel trolling brigade is by there in full
hope that their expensives chips might not be trounced by
the competitor s product...:biggrin:

2500K & 2600K aren't expensive and their owners certainly have nothing to fear about being trounced.

 

[Abwx]

In MT tasks , a 2500K is already no match for an old school X6
and a 2600K is not irresistibly better in this matter...

 

[RussianSensation]

Seems that the usual Intel trolling brigade is by there in full
hope that their expensives chips might not be trounced by
the competitor s product...:biggrin:

So let me understand this: A $220 chip is expensive when it's going to survive 2-3 GPU upgrades and last at least 3 years, while consuming less power @ 4.9ghz that i7-950 did at stock speeds and around what 1100T achieves at stock while beating an 1100T @ 4.0ghz it left right and center?

There is no trolling. People are just expressing huge disappointment vs. the insane hype that was built-up for 9 months.

2500k is $179.99 and 2600k is $279.99 at MC and have been since January 10, 2011. Regular price of $219.99 at Newegg for 2500k (how is that expensive for a performance CPU that can often come close to the $999 990X?) and $300 with $15 off for 2600k.

vs.

Athlon 64 launch date: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1164/4

A64 3200+ = $417
A64 3400+ = $600

Can't forget the affordable Athlon 64 X2 chips:

Also, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Phenom II X6 1090T/1100T can be purchased for around $160-190. Taking FX-8150 @ 4.8ghz into account, it appears to be barely faster than 1090T @ 4.0ghz that came out April 2010 (which itself wasn't that great vs. Core i5-750/760/860/920/930s of the world).

It's pretty surprising for people to claim that a $220-$300 for a performance CPU is suddenly expensive in light of previous AMD pricing when it was in the lead. If Intel adopted AMD's performance leader strategy on pricing, 2500k would be $400+ and 2600k would have been at least $600.

 

[Paul98]

If Person 1 runs 100 meter dash in 10 seconds and Person 2 run it in 20 seconds, then:

1) Person 1 runs 100 meter dash in half the time, or completes the task 50% faster than Person 2 (i.e., (10-20)/20*100 = 50% faster).

2) Person 2 runs 100 meter dash in double the time, or completes the same task 100% slower than Person 1 (i.e., (20-10)/10*100% = 100% slower).

No?

No listen to what you are saying.

person 1 is running at 10m/s, person 2 is running at 5m/s.

you are saying that person 1 is running 50% faster than person 2. Look at it like this. You have person 2 running 5m/s, what is 50% faster than 5m/s? It's 7.5 m/s. 100% faster would take 5m/s to 10m/s.

As for slower what is 100% slower than 10m/s? it's 0m/s. That should be obvious. 50% slower now that's 5m/s.

 

[Paul98]

I was really hoping that this would push prices down. I am still going to wait till it comes out before I buy my new computer as I am still waiting for any info on new graphics cards. as I sorta want to wait till next gen graphics cards come out.

If BD can compete against 2500k and 2600k, and has a price point to push against intel so that they might lower there prices I will be happy. If not it's going to kinda suck.

 

[RussianSensation]

No listen to what you are saying.

person 1 is running at 10m/s, person 2 is running at 5m/s.

you are saying that person 1 is running 50&#37; faster than person 2. Look at it like this. You have person 2 running 5m/s, what is 50% faster than 5m/s? It's 7.5 m/s. 100% faster would take 5m/s to 10m/s.

As for slower what is 100% slower than 10m/s? it's 0m/s. That should be obvious. 50% slower now that's 5m/s.

Basically, if I ran the dash in 50% of the time, my speed had to be 100% faster. I see my mistake. In terms of time, my math was right, but expressing that relationship it in terms of speed was incorrect. Thanks! :thumbsup:

 

[Abwx]

So let me understand this: A $220 chip is expensive when it's going to survive 2-3 GPU upgrades and last at least 3 years, while consuming less power @ 4.9ghz that i7-950 did at stock speeds and around what 1100T achieves at stock while beating an 1100T @ 4.0ghz it left right and center?

If one is to buy a 6 core CPU , it s that he needs MT capability ,
and in this matter only the 2600K out of your list beats, barely ,
an almost two years X6 , at higher cost of course...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1164/4[/URL]

A64 3200+ = $417
A64 3400+ = $600

Can't forget the affordable Athlon 64 X2 chips:

True that for 280$ , you could had have a P4 D 2.8ghz, quite a bargain ,
for sure....

 

[Despoiler]

<serious mode>

Stranger is correct... which is why when they bench with LN2 they make sure the AC is on high so it can pull the gasses out as its boiling... or they make sure its outside in a well ventilated area.

The same can be said with Dry Ice.

Nitrogen can be deadly... theres a reason why mixing it with Oxygen = laughing gas.

<joke mode>
So when AMD used LHe... did the benchers all have chipmunk voices afterwards? :whiste:

You guys must do your overclocking in Japanese coffin hotels.

<not joke mode>
You are not funny.

 

[Black96ws6]

More pics...which means more proof he's benchmarking a retail 8120:

For some reason this board is not letting me post the pics, let me try a new reply.

 

[Black96ws6]

Okay the board is screwing up. Here's the links:

http://s15.***********/i188/1110/72/7a217238747e.jpg

EDIT: And of course, the links are hosed a well. Mods little help? I can pm you the links. Have some good 8120 pics!

 

[RussianSensation]

True that for 280$ , you could had have a P4 D 2.8ghz, quite a bargain ,
for sure....

You missed the point entirely. We are not discussing budget $50-130 CPUs. If you want a $130 CPU, you aren't looking to buy a performance CPU. Not only that, but in the last 10 years, all of the best CPUs never cost only $220. Not Celeron 300A, not XP2500+, not Q6600, not i7-920, etc. Those CPUs all debuted at much higher prices than 2500k did (and that's not even taking into account inflation).

No $220 CPU, ever, delivered as much performance as 2500k does, not from Intel or AMD side. From a historical price/performance perspective, only a handful of performance CPUs even come close to the 2500k. Based on historical pricing, inflation, and the performance that 2500k offers, it is actually a very cheap CPU, esp. in the context of the entire system price or even in the context of CPU+Mobo+Ram "upgrade combo".

Also, as I said, $160 1090T is an amazing CPU for those who render, video encode, etc., which is all the more disappointing for the FX8150 if it arrives at $225 or more. Oh ya, and that's not even discussing the likely power consumption difference of FX8150 @ 4.9ghz vs. 2500k @ 4.5+ ghz, which again prob. won't be in BD's favor. And in 6 months, IVB will arrive.

 

[Abwx]

You missed the point entirely.

No $220 CPU, ever, delivered as much performance as 2500k does, not from Intel or AMD side. From a historical price/performance perspective, only a handful of performance CPUs even come close to the 2500k. Based on historical pricing, inflation, and performance the 2500k offers, it is actually very cheap imho.
. .

You think that this is a point ??..

I can tell you that next year s 220$ chips will deliver , historically ,
the best perfs/price performance ever for that category of prices...

 

[hooflung]

FX-8150 is 3.6GHz base and 4.2GHz turbo.

I don't know about you guys but a 4.5GHz 8 core BD barely beating a 4.3GHz 2500K in Winrar is downright pathetic.

Not really. No matter how you cut it... the BD isn't a true 8 core like the 2600k doesn't always use or benefit from HT. AMD's module approach is their answer to HT but it only works when something is programmed and compiled to not assume certain things about the arch.

We simple don't know what the BD is capable of if compilers, virtual machines (language and OS vm's alike ) and software are not available to truely test its strengths.

It is pretty petty to pick on a CPU if you don't have a clear idea of what is going on. No benchmark will ever tell you things other than what it wants to say. At this point who cares about SuperPI and the like. CPU's are built for enterprise markets first. Let the Enterprise benchmarks tell the truths. At this point I could care less if 60 frames per second is achieved on a Bulldozer or a Sandy Bridge. I get 60 Frames on my Phenom II so what is it to me if I always run with V-Sync on?

 

[-Slacker-]

Right...

So, about the lab501 test and the "stock cooler" used ... was it a stock air cooler, or the stock water cooler?

If it was the stock air cooler, then that couldn't be adequate for something like a 5ghz overclock ... right? Or, at least, a mid~high range after market heatsink would be far better suited.

What I'm trying to get at is that, maybe, the 300w tdp could be due to the stock cooler not keeping the cpu cool enough at that voltage/wattage (remember that tdp goes up if the die temperature rises).






?

 

[Black96ws6]

Okay let's try this again:

 

[-Slacker-]

^Second batch of reviews tomorrow?

 

[Black96ws6]

^Second batch of reviews tomorrow?

I'm hoping he can put that system together in a couple hours or less and see some this evening! (keeping fingers crossed)...

 

[arky33]

I'm hoping he can put that system together in a couple hours or less and see some this evening! (keeping fingers crossed)...

Ha! This is exciting! Can't wait to see some real world results!

 

[dawp]

<serious mode>

Stranger is correct... which is why when they bench with LN2 they make sure the AC is on high so it can pull the gasses out as its boiling... or they make sure its outside in a well ventilated area.

The same can be said with Dry Ice.

Nitrogen can be deadly... theres a reason why mixing it with Oxygen = laughing gas.

<joke mode>
So when AMD used LHe... did the benchers all have chipmunk voices afterwards? :whiste:

Ya do know that our atmosphere is mostly oxygen and nitrogen don't ya. And I'm not laughing

I think it takes a little more than mixing oxygen and nitrogen in bottle to make nitrous oxide.
tho I may be wrong, I'm no chemist. I believe it take a chemical reaction to make n2o.

 

[Tsavo]

Ya do know that our atmosphere is mostly oxygen and nitrogen don't ya. And I'm not laughing

Liquid nitrogen expands hundreds upon hundreds of times when it becomes a gas. Do that in a room with poor ventilation and you wind up with little o2.

 

[Idontcare]

<- Chemist

Ya do know that our atmosphere is mostly oxygen and nitrogen don't ya. And I'm not laughing

I think it takes a little more than mixing oxygen and nitrogen in bottle to make nitrous oxide.
tho I may be wrong, I'm no chemist. I believe it take a chemical reaction to make n2o.

Yes, it is made naturally as one of the many byproducts of denitrification, and synthetically as:

NH4NO3 (s) &#8594; 2 H2O (g) + N2O (g)

But yes it is true that one can asphyxiate from too much nitrogen as the oxygen is literally "pushed away" by an expanding cloud of concentrated nitrogen gas.

The same risk occurs with any natural gas leak, as well as with liquid helium. A very real risk with NMR's is an event called "quenching" in which the magnet causes the liquid helium to spontaneously boil and convert to gaseous helium:

Quench -- In the unlikely event of the magnet quenching or of a cryogenic failure, up to 100 m3 of helium and nitrogen gases may evolve over a period of several minutes. Although helium is inert, it is lighter than air and is non-toxic, there could be a risk of asphyxiation in a confined space. Personnel should evacuate the area in such a situation. A quench warranting evacuation would be obvious by the noise of the escaping gas and clouds of vapor.

 

[classy]

It would appear there is a problem with the Flex FPU. That would explain the delays and mention of Windows 8. Clearly despite the long development, no one vetted how this change, which is the first of its kind would react to todays software and OSes, Windows. If I was CEO I would release what is ready to go and move foreward with the revamped core. They weren't going to be able to really ship these for revenue this quarter anyway. If they can fix it, then it will be a pretty interesting core for the future.

The firings would seem justified, this overlooked part of development is just inexcusable. And in reading about the FLEX FPU a true fix is not a software one.

 

[Black96ws6]

Getting closer!