Four Loko going to be banned?

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Ika

Lifer
Mar 22, 2006
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We bought seven cases of this shit, mostly half to get shitfaced on, and the other half to make back the money. $2 a can for 84 cans, after the ban, they're almost guaranteed to sell for $4 or $5... run out to parties with two each, sell them off, .... profit!
 

Ninjahedge

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no they didn't eliminate shit. all the ban will do is teach kids how to mix no-doz and monster together then add cheap liquor (thank youtube).

No.

Youtube has shown that for years. They also show idiotic things like piss sniffing, hypoxia, and other brainless ways to "get high"

The ban cannot be blamed for kids jumping to other stuff that was already around.
 

Ninjahedge

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strangely ciggarettes come to mind. thousands dead to four lokos 1 or 2 who were breaking the law and mixing with pills probably when they died. .

With a father with asbestosis and stealth-smoking, dont get me started on that thread.......
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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No.

Youtube has shown that for years. They also show idiotic things like piss sniffing, hypoxia, and other brainless ways to "get high"

The ban cannot be blamed for kids jumping to other stuff that was already around
.

Sure it can, by bringing attention to it.

I bolded that sentence cuz you know, 4 Loko just combined shit that was already around.

so whatevers, YOU WIN, 4 Loko will be banned. But now that I'm armed with this useful information (monster + no doz + jolly rancher = non alcoholic 4 loko base), I'll be sure to prep everclear-based 4 Loko next time I go party.

hm....Monster + NoDoz + Jello + Vodka = 4Loko Jello Shots?
 
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scott916

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It's funny how nobody gave a shit when Joose entered the market, everyone was suddenly up in arms when the media hyped FL up. No matter what facts you bring to the table, it's simple. There are MANY ways to get at least as fucked up as you can with FL, (and for cheap) and many taste a lot better. Just admit you're a product of media hype, ignorance, and sensationalism.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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It's funny how nobody gave a shit when Joose entered the market, everyone was suddenly up in arms when the media hyped FL up. No matter what facts you bring to the table, it's simple. There are MANY ways to get at least as fucked up as you can with FL, (and for cheap) and many taste a lot better. Just admit you're a product of media hype, ignorance, and sensationalism.

NO, I SAW A 4LOKO AD IN NINTENDO MAGAZINE!!!

THEY'RE ADVERTISING TO KIDS!!!!!!!


I walked into a 7-11, they were next to the goddamn SNICKERS BARS!

:rageragerage:
 

MrX8503

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Oct 23, 2005
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Uh no it isn't. It's 12% APV, 24 proof. 24 oz right? So that ain't shit. Not jack shit. like I said. A few shots are stronger than ONE Four Loko. Sorry, but like I said I don't see this putting people down like they say it is. Seems like a bunch of idiots who can't hold their liquor are pounding these things and getting it banned. This would happen with ANY alcohol. If Four Loko didn't exist they would be trying to ban energy drinks because people are doing jagger bombs with redbull. I am 25 years old, I am not some old long time drinker.

Maybe you shouldn't be drinking if you can't correctly do the math of how much alcohol contains in a drink.

1 Drink is considered the equivalent of a shot, glass of wine, can of beer, etc.

A few shots of liquor is not stronger than a 24oz can of Four Loko because shots may be 80+proof, but they are only 1.5oz-2oz by volume. You would need about 4-5 shots to equal a can of Four Loko. Drinking 2 cans of Four Loko would get you pretty drunk, doesn't matter who you are.

You are right in that this could happen with any alcohol, but the point is that Four Loko makes it easier. Its easier because its cheap and the young kids are able to handle the taste. I don't see young people downing Barley Wine, but I can see them flocking to Four Loko.

The average beer is 5% ABV. Light beer can be even less.

5% -> 12% = 2.4X

2 x 2.4 = 4.8 (round to 5).

You have 5 beers in a can.

No, not jack. It is a lot of shit. It is pretty much almost a 6 pack in a can. A can that you can easily consume, even casually (no chug) in 30 minutes.

Have two in an hour and you are gonna start hurting.

http://healthyhorns.utexas.edu/bac.html

You have 2 in one hour. You weigh 150lbs. Your BAC is now topping 0.25%.

"Judgment extremely impaired".

Have one more in an hour, another 5 drinks, and subtract 0.015

0.026*15-2*.015 (2 hour span) = 0.36. You are going to the hospital bubbie..




6 shots are stronger. 6.

6 is not a "few shots". Having 11 shots in an hour is a LOT of alcohol.

11 shots x 1.5oz/shot = 16.5 oz.

16.5oz = 480ml You just downed 2/3 of a bottle of 80 proof in 1 hour. You drink that much hard liquor, you KNOW it.

You drink 2 cans of this... well you will know it in a minute or two, but you really do not have as good an idea about how much you just consumed.



Yes. They are idiots, and that is why it is banned. We need to save the idiots, or the poor kids with so little self esteem that they will drink what their "friends" tell them to to gain approval, that's why they have banned it.



Wow, 25, here's your medal old man.

4 loko did NOT exist 15 years ago when they were doing these Bull+Vodka mixers. There were no real incidents like the ones that Loco has prompted. Therefore they did not ban it.

It is not idiot proof, but somehow mixing your own drink seems to be an idiot deterrent.

Thanks for the rundown Ninjahead, said it better than myself.
 

scott916

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Thanks for the rundown Ninjahead, said it better than myself.

So you prefer living in a nanny state where any product that kids MIGHT get their hands on and MIGHT get drunk on (ZOMG) MUST be taken from the hands of adults? I've watched alcohol ruin lives. My cousin drank herself to death with vodka. Do I feel that vodka was to blame? No. She shouldn't have allowed it (through whatever amount of control she had) to get to that point. I smoked way too much pot when I was young and it robbed me of ambition. Was it the pot's fault? No, it was fucking mine.

It's simple. It's been easy for kids to get fucked up since the beginning of society. I got SHITfaced drunk many many times as a kid. I drank beer, liquor, and whatever else. I didn't often like the taste of it, or like how much beer it took to get shitty, but you know what? I just mixed it with something or *gasp* drank more fucking beer! We used to do shots, use a beer bong, and there were even times when I was worried my friend got alcohol poisoning. And guess what? There was no such thing as four loko. Would I have drunk it then? Fuck yeah. Would it have been any worse than the shit that I did in its absence? Fuck no.

The simple fact is that kids will do what they need to do to get drunk. The insane amount of fright and hype behind this witch hunt because it's simply a bit easier to drink is frankly sad. I enjoy four loko occasionally, and I've found that it doesn't get me any drunker than any other type of alcohol. If you want to kill yourself drinking, the myriad of choices out there (tasty or no tasty) is there because we are a free country, with the freedom to exercise choice. The fact that you guys are willing to sacrifice freedom and start down that slippery slope of bannage because it MAY be easier for a tiny fraction of the populace to drink themselves into a night hugging a toilet with a product that has been around for years and years in many forms is just too bad.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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So you prefer living in a nanny state where any product that kids MIGHT get their hands on and MIGHT get drunk on (ZOMG) MUST be taken from the hands of adults? I've watched alcohol ruin lives. My cousin drank herself to death with vodka. Do I feel that vodka was to blame? No. She shouldn't have allowed it (through whatever amount of control she had) to get to that point. I smoked way too much pot when I was young and it robbed me of ambition. Was it the pot's fault? No, it was fucking mine.

It's simple. It's been easy for kids to get fucked up since the beginning of society. I got SHITfaced drunk many many times as a kid. I drank beer, liquor, and whatever else. I didn't often like the taste of it, or like how much beer it took to get shitty, but you know what? I just mixed it with something or *gasp* drank more fucking beer! We used to do shots, use a beer bong, and there were even times when I was worried my friend got alcohol poisoning. And guess what? There was no such thing as four loko. Would I have drunk it then? Fuck yeah. Would it have been any worse than the shit that I did in its absence? Fuck no.

The simple fact is that kids will do what they need to do to get drunk. The insane amount of fright and hype behind this witch hunt because it's simply a bit easier to drink is frankly sad. I enjoy four loko occasionally, and I've found that it doesn't get me any drunker than any other type of alcohol. If you want to kill yourself drinking, the myriad of choices out there (tasty or no tasty) is there because we are a free country, with the freedom to exercise choice. The fact that you guys are willing to sacrifice freedom and start down that slippery slope of bannage because it MAY be easier for a tiny fraction of the populace to drink themselves into a night hugging a toilet with a product that has been around for years and years in many forms is just too bad.

bro, too much logic. It's FAR better to inform every person out there that there's a supposedly delicious beverage called 4 loko that'll FUCK YOU UP and to stock up NOW before the FDA gets it's hands on it.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Seriously I have to agree. I don't know what kind of partying these people are doing, but there's no way 1 four loko is making people black out. Fuck there's no way "heavy drinkers" should be phased after two, even if they drank that shit in 30 minutes. I've literally chugged 5ths and not blacked out, I'm not a light weight, but I know people who can hold their liquor better than I.

shens to the MAX!
 

scott916

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Mar 2, 2005
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bro, too much logic. It's FAR better to inform every person out there that there's a supposedly delicious beverage called 4 loko that'll FUCK YOU UP and to stock up NOW before the FDA gets it's hands on it.

The best part is that it's still gonna be there, just without caffeine. I've seriously been considering making a video of me after one and two lokos. Not so sure I want to drink three.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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damn so much on a simple drink.

It's like the ECA bans so now you have to buy from canada.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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The best part is that it's still gonna be there, just without caffeine. I've seriously been considering making a video of me after one and two lokos. Not so sure I want to drink three.

so what you're saying is same 24oz can, same 12% ABV, just add no-doz yourself?

awesome.

I am so glad the media brought my attention to this delicate matter.
 
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Balt

Lifer
Mar 12, 2000
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We bought seven cases of this shit, mostly half to get shitfaced on, and the other half to make back the money. $2 a can for 84 cans, after the ban, they're almost guaranteed to sell for $4 or $5... run out to parties with two each, sell them off, .... profit!

$4 or $5? Pshaw, you're no Ferengi. Take no less than $10 each.
 

MrX8503

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Oct 23, 2005
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So you prefer living in a nanny state where any product that kids MIGHT get their hands on and MIGHT get drunk on (ZOMG) MUST be taken from the hands of adults? I've watched alcohol ruin lives. My cousin drank herself to death with vodka. Do I feel that vodka was to blame? No. She shouldn't have allowed it (through whatever amount of control she had) to get to that point. I smoked way too much pot when I was young and it robbed me of ambition. Was it the pot's fault? No, it was fucking mine.

It's simple. It's been easy for kids to get fucked up since the beginning of society. I got SHITfaced drunk many many times as a kid. I drank beer, liquor, and whatever else. I didn't often like the taste of it, or like how much beer it took to get shitty, but you know what? I just mixed it with something or *gasp* drank more fucking beer! We used to do shots, use a beer bong, and there were even times when I was worried my friend got alcohol poisoning. And guess what? There was no such thing as four loko. Would I have drunk it then? Fuck yeah. Would it have been any worse than the shit that I did in its absence? Fuck no.

The simple fact is that kids will do what they need to do to get drunk. The insane amount of fright and hype behind this witch hunt because it's simply a bit easier to drink is frankly sad. I enjoy four loko occasionally, and I've found that it doesn't get me any drunker than any other type of alcohol. If you want to kill yourself drinking, the myriad of choices out there (tasty or no tasty) is there because we are a free country, with the freedom to exercise choice. The fact that you guys are willing to sacrifice freedom and start down that slippery slope of bannage because it MAY be easier for a tiny fraction of the populace to drink themselves into a night hugging a toilet with a product that has been around for years and years in many forms is just too bad.

You just wasted your time. My post is about alcohol content. My post has nothing to do with the law, ethics, morals, dumb college kids, etc.
 

bfdd

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shens to the MAX!

My roommate can vouch as can others. I have chugged a 5th of Jagger after playing multiple games of beer pong and having shots before each game. I didn't black out and remember my night, but I was incredibly fucked up. How did I manage? Well I held it down for a good 20 or 30 minutes before I thought it was a good idea to try and play beer pong again. First drink of beer caused me to run out an hurl. I then proceeded to lose in beer pong say fuck that go to my truck hide my keys from my soberself and pass out for 3 hours until I woke up freezing my ass off cause I left the windows down and we were at a house party near the beach. Found my keys and drove home.

Another time my buddy showed up with 100 proof SoCo something something led to another and he dared me to chug it, I chugged the entire thing except for two shots which he was like "I WAS JUST JOKING SAVE ME SOME" I then proceeded to sit out on the back porch and talk to my dog for about 2 hours on how much I loved him.

There's various other over drinking stories I have, including one where I went out got alcohol poisoning, woke up shit faced at 5am and had to go to work. Stood in front of a lathe all day machining a couple parts with a trash can next to me so I could puke. I really really should have gone to the doctors that time. That's one of two times I can't remember what happened that night.

just an fyi, I'm about 240 6'1".


maybe I'm wrong about this, but I just don't see the four loko plowing me if I finished one in an hour. I really don't. I can get it and let you know, but I've for the most part quit drinking because like I stated earlier my whole GI tract hates it and fucks up my stomach the next day.
 

scott916

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You just wasted your time. My post is about alcohol content. My post has nothing to do with the law, ethics, morals, dumb college kids, etc.

My apologies. I just saw your post and figured you agreed with ninjahedge. It was mostly directed towards that general attitude, not necessarily your post specifically.
 

Ninjahedge

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The best part is that it's still gonna be there, just without caffeine. I've seriously been considering making a video of me after one and two lokos. Not so sure I want to drink three.

Scott, two things.

First to this post. they were dancing the line with a 12% fruit beverage to begin with. Even fruit meow-meow wines like "Arbor Mist" are only 8%.

When they added caffene, that was a popular, but stupid combo (primarily because it was too popular by people, as shown by bfdd, that do not know BAC from their arsesphincter.).

It made it too easy to drink too quickly, and a combo of caffene and booze made an inexperienced hyper drunk MUCH more likely to chug another on a dare, a whim or on your parents carpet.

When only a few people start showing up at hospitals and the like because of alcohol OD or poisoning, it is nothing special. Just part of the pack. But when they start to dominate, and bump up the rate, well that aint healthy. So I can see why it was banned.

Now, as for the rest? Like I said, if this was so easy to make, why were so few making it? If this has been around with Red Bull and Vodka, why were there so few incidents of college students unconcious on floors because of that? This is not forbidding alcohol, or caffene, or brightly colored cans at a cheap price.

It is trying to keep it at at least one degree of seperation. And if that does not work, you may see limits re-instated on allowable ABV% for beverages purchased. That 12% may just bump it into a different category requiring stiffer laws and penalties.

The thing is, lawmakers know that this is only going to piss of a bunch of teen-to-college kids that do not vote anyway. So what the hell do they care? this will help save a few kids from major hurt, please the nannies, and do nothing to hurt their political status.


As an observation, have you heard of any group protesting this besides the ones who wanted to drink it?
 

Ninjahedge

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bfdd, you just admitted to driving drunk.

GG!


(BTW, nobody is saying it will plow you with 1 in an hour. We are speaking of a very common occurance. Chugging before heading out, or as soon as you arrive. Having 1 in 15 minutes will knock you for a loop, but the caffene will make you feel a little better. You are not likely to sit there for the next 1:30 before your next one, so hitting another in the first hour is extremely likely. Having a third in the NEXT hour is also likely, the "1 per hour" thing. Your body weight would give you an advantage, but your liver works at the same speed....

You would be at about .0175/drink/hour. Figure 15 drinks (3 cans) minus .03 = 0.23%....)

BAC .20%:
You may feel confused, dazed, or otherwise disoriented. You need help to stand up or walk. If you hurt yourself at this point, you probably won't realize it because you won't feel pain. Even if you are aware that you've injured yourself, you probably won't do anything about it. At this point you may experience nausea and start vomiting. Your gag reflex is impaired, so you could choke if you throw up. Since blackouts are likely at this level, you may not remember any of this.

BAC .25%:
All mental, physical, and sensory functions are severely impaired. You're emotionally numb. There's an increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falling or other accidents.
 
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insect9

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Now, as for the rest? Like I said, if this was so easy to make, why were so few making it? If this has been around with Red Bull and Vodka, why were there so few incidents of college students unconcious on floors because of that? This is not forbidding alcohol, or caffene, or brightly colored cans at a cheap price.

Because the media decided not to demonize Red Bull and Vodka? Or do you have some statistic that will clearly show that WAY fewer college students pass out on Red Bull and Vodka than on Four Loko?
 
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