Four Loko going to be banned?

[Ninjahedge]

Ns1...

You would though. You would not be obvious about it.

You never show someone under 21 drinking it, but take a look at marketing. All toys and other children's products have kids 2-3 years older than the market playing with it and shouting how cool it is.

They did target the pre-21 crowd AND WERE SUCCESSFUL! If they weren't, we would not even be talking about it now.

My argument is not about the banning. I really could not care either way. I did not fight for it, and I am not going to protest it. The only point I am arguing is the line of reasoning I can see for them doing so. It does make sense, and it will make only a few people, the ones that have little power to do anything about it, mad.

I can see the legal standpoint, and I can see the slimebags that planned it this way. I agree with most of what Zin is saying. If they were genuinely calling "oops! Sorry!" I would have more sympathy for them, but they haven't.

So... let 'em dangle.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm saying that as a company I'm not going to spend the bulk of my marketing dollars targeting a demographic that can only purchase it by jumping through numerous loopholes.

Loopholes which could be closed by parental enforcement.

BTW, where are we getting this marketing to kids angle again? Just from the color/design of these fucking cans?

Nope, Joe Camel is telling them to drink this stuff, and also the sex scene from Mass Effect. Also rap music. Oh, and playing Dungeons and Dragons. Disney also put in subliminal messages in movies telling kids to drink this stuff. But mostly, its Pokemon. And Harry Potter. The lead that was found in toys was proven to be a specific strain, one that would brainwash kids into drinking this.

 

[rudder]

shenny shen shen shen fucking SHENS!

they have rehab programs for this you know.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Lol. your claiming it as absolute fact I would assume you would have something of evidence to back your claim. I didn't make the claim you did. get it?

Grammar facepalm

 

[Ninjahedge]

CF, you forgot your "/"

 

[Ns1]

They did target the pre-21 crowd AND WERE SUCCESSFUL! If they weren't, we would not even be talking about it now.

No, the mother fucking media exploded this four loko shit and now everyone and their mom wants to try it. Media gave four loko more attention than marketing dollars ever could have.


wrap your head around THAT.

 

[Anubis]

No, the mother fucking media exploded this four loko shit and now everyone and their mom wants to try it. Media gave four loko more attention than marketing dollars ever could have.


wrap your head around THAT.

this is true, no one i know had ever heard of it until states started banning it

 

[Ns1]

let me tell you, i never heard about 4 loko up until a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't from some magazine ad, or casually strolling through 7-11, it was from ABC7 and DrudgeReport.

Now I just messaged my GF to pick me up a case if she can find the legit shit.

 

[MyThirdEye]

Two weeks ago I had 3 in one hour. I was pretty close to dying. People told me I was talking about killing myself and all sorts of weird shit.

I'm sticking to whiskey.

 

[MikeMike]

let me tell you, i never heard about 4 loko up until a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't from some magazine ad, or casually strolling through 7-11, it was from ABC7 and DrudgeReport.

Now I just messaged my GF to pick me up a case if she can find the legit shit.

afaik they don't come in cases...

just individual cans at $2 a pop....

drink 2 in <1.5 hours and hold on.
drink 3 in <2 hours and say good bye

 

[xanis]

Ns1...

You would though. You would not be obvious about it.

You never show someone under 21 drinking it, but take a look at marketing. All toys and other children's products have kids 2-3 years older than the market playing with it and shouting how cool it is.

They did target the pre-21 crowd AND WERE SUCCESSFUL! If they weren't, we would not even be talking about it now.

My argument is not about the banning. I really could not care either way. I did not fight for it, and I am not going to protest it. The only point I am arguing is the line of reasoning I can see for them doing so. It does make sense, and it will make only a few people, the ones that have little power to do anything about it, mad.

I can see the legal standpoint, and I can see the slimebags that planned it this way. I agree with most of what Zin is saying. If they were genuinely calling "oops! Sorry!" I would have more sympathy for them, but they haven't.

So... let 'em dangle.

Let me address your argument about it being marketed to underage kids.

By the time most of these underagers are drinking the Four Loko, they're what? 18+ usually, right? That's adulthood. Now, you might argue that kids have different maturity levels, but unless you have a legitimate mental deficiency, you're old enough at 18 to use your damn head and use some common sense when making decisions. Drinking is no different. This product may or may not be marketed to underage people, but the fact is that the design of the can and marketing is the company's choice and is 100% legal. It's ultimately up the the consumer to know basic English and read the "contains alcohol" and "12% alcohol by volume" text that's fairly obviously placed on the can. I can understand where you're coming from, being a parent and all. However, it's up to parents themselves to educate their kids on not doing stupid shit, and it's up to kids to make their own decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Two weeks ago I had 3 in one hour. I was pretty close to dying. People told me I was talking about killing myself and all sorts of weird shit.

I'm sticking to whiskey.

The equivalent of 3 bottles of wine plus 6 cups of coffee why would feel that was smart. I only recommend 2 at most even for the most seasoned drinkers. And I wouldn't recommend them over the course of only an hour.

 

[seepy83]

No, the mother fucking media exploded this four loko shit and now everyone and their mom wants to try it. Media gave four loko more attention than marketing dollars ever could have.


wrap your head around THAT.

*ding ding ding* we have a winner!

If the media targeted Sparks or Joose or some other Alcohol+Energy Drink, most people probably still wouldn't know that Four Loko exists. I could imagine the new report ending with "...some similar beverages produced by other manufacturers such as the one seen here <insert picture of Four Loko> have alcohol contents of up to 12%! No word yet on if legal action has been taken against this company as well."

 

[Ninjahedge]

let me tell you, i never heard about 4 loko up until a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't from some magazine ad, or casually strolling through 7-11, it was from ABC7 and DrudgeReport.

I heard about it before it was banned. I also saw it on a playground, so whatever. The people who WEREdrinking it were minors. Maybe they used telepathy to tell them... :crosseyed:

ust messaged my GF to pick me up a case if she can find the legit shit.

That is just plain funny.

 

[Ns1]

n/m, pointless.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Xan, I can see where you are coming from, but the only maturity that comes at 18 is physical.

You may feel like you (or anyone else, I am not singling you out) knows enough to take care of yourself, but there are countless examples of where, in a modern society, this just is not the case.

Drinking age was raised to 21, less kids got killed in DUI incidents. It worked. Regardless of how many people knew better, there were enough out there that didn't and made a rule like that necessary.

It is not the clearest of situations here, but still, it comes out in the wash.

People are stupid, and if they are let to do whatever they want, there are others out there that will chew them up and spit them out onto the rest of us where we are forced to pick up the pieces.

*shrug*

 

[Ninjahedge]

n/m, pointless.

I know!

Especially how you said: 'I never heard of it before' and how I asserted that the people that were most likely annoyed about it were ones that wanted it. (followed by you texting your GF to pick you up a case??!? lol)

 

[Ns1]

I know!

Especially how you said: 'I never heard of it before' and how I asserted that the people that were most likely annoyed about it were ones that wanted it. (followed by you texting your GF to pick you up a case??!? lol)

well if you want to respond to my comments I'd love to hear your retort on the media angle.

It really is a classic example of media telling kids how to get fucked up.

"Hey kids, there's this new drug out there that's fucking up ERRRYBODY in here"

see: marijuana, ecstasy, 4 loko, digidrugs, etc.

 

[seepy83]

wtf is a digidrug?

 

[Ns1]

wtf is a digidrug?

look it up, have facepalm emoticons ready.

 

[insect9]

I heard about it before it was banned. I also saw it on a playground, so whatever. The people who WEREdrinking it were minors. Maybe they used telepathy to tell them... :crosseyed:



That is just plain funny.

I've seen beer bottles on playgrounds before. What's your point? Also, underage kids drink lots of different kinds of alcohol, the difference is this time it's publicized.

 

[allisolm]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/17/alcohol.caffeine.drinks/

Looks like a bunch of them will have to reformulate or be gone.

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration told the manufacturers of seven caffeinated alcoholic beverages Wednesday that their drinks are a "public health concern" and can't stay on the market in their current form."

Phusion Projects, of Chicago, Illinois, which makes Four Loko
San Diego, California-based United Brands, which manufactures the Joose and Max brands
Portland, Oregon's Charge Beverages Corp., which sells Core High Gravity HG, Core High Gravity HG Orange, and Lemon Lime Core Spiked
New Century Brewing of Boston, Massachusetts, which makes Moonshot

 

[Paladin3]

*snip* ...People are stupid, and if they are let to do whatever they want, there are others out there that will chew them up and spit them out onto the rest of us where we are forced to pick up the pieces....

Typical arrogant liberal (sorry to make this political) philosophy. People are too stupid to take care of themselves and government needs to. I could give a shit less about Four Loko, but it's a legal drink and if underage drinkers are illegally abusing it and getting into trouble then they and their parents should be the ones suffering the consequences. WTF happened to personal responsiblilty?

I understand that some products and substances need to be prohibited or controlled for the good of society, but Four Loco in no way meets the qualifications of something that the government needs to step in and ban. The product is clearly labeled with adequate warnings so anyone who picks it up knows damn well what they are drinking. Several laws have to be broken for someone under 21 to even get their hands on it.

How much more of our lives and personal responsibility to we have to surrender to the government in the name of safety?

 

[Ns1]

How much more of our lives and personal responsibility to we have to surrender to the government in the name of safety?

don't worry, they'll tell you when to stop.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I heard about it before it was banned. I also saw it on a playground, so whatever. The people who WEREdrinking it were minors. Maybe they used telepathy to tell them... :crosseyed:



That is just plain funny.

Are you insinuating that its elementary school kids drinking this stuff?